Liberals/Democrats, what is the worst thing about the left?

[PlasmaTwa2]

Listening to political conversations between the left and right sort of gives the impression that each side considers their team/party/whatever to be perfect, or at least completely better than the other side in every aspect. Of course, that's not true: both sides have good and bad ideas and I think it is impossible to like every aspect of your ideology, and ignorant if you try to claim that you do. So, I'm legitimately curious: we all know what you dislike about the right, but what do you dislike about your fellow Democrats? What is the least appealing thing about Liberals?

For my part, and I know I've said this before, I find the far left to be the most annoying group in politics; even more so than the extreme right. I absolutely **** how some people think society would be better off if everything became more politically correct, and that's just the tip of the iceburg. Everything they suggest makes my ***** boil. No zero policies in elementary schools, extreme environmentalism and feminism, parents who try to be "new age" and teach their *****ren to look at the world differently by doing stupid things like raising them without gender so they can decide for themselves.

And, I'd be lying if I said I didn't like the people who tend to be far left, either. They're the ones who are the members of **** and Greenpeace who become angry at the thought of industrialization, the New Atheists who read the Wikipedia article on Chris Hitchens and suddenly think they can push their views on other people, and the **** who went through their entire lives without being told no and somehow think there is something wrong with society when they get out of university and the world doesn't bend to their every demand. Oh yeah, and legalize all the ***** cause they won't affect their abilities to function as members of society AT ALL. Seriously, they promise.

That's just what I **** about them. I'm sure other people **** aspects of the left just as much. So do tell.

And when the right comes here attempting to troll... why not ignore them for once? They'll have their own thread about the right to post in.

 

[robot_r0ck]

Listening to political conversations between the left and right sort of gives the impression that each side considers their team/party/whatever to be perfect, or at least completely better than the other side in every aspect. Of course, that's not true: both sides have good and bad ideas and I think it is impossible to like every aspect of your ideology, and ignorant if you try to claim that you do. So, I'm legitimately curious: we all know what you dislike about the right, but what do you dislike about your fellow Democrats? What is the least appealing thing about Liberals?

For my part, and I know I've said this before, I find the far left to be the most annoying group in politics; even more so than the extreme right. I absolutely **** how some people think society would be better off if everything became more politically correct, and that's just the tip of the iceburg. Everything they suggest makes my ***** boil. No zero policies in elementary schools, extreme environmentalism and feminism, parents who try to be "new age" and teach their *****ren to look at the world differently by doing stupid things like raising them without gender so they can decide for themselves.

And, I'd be lying if I said I didn't like the people who tend to be far left, either. They're the ones who are the members of **** and Greenpeace who become angry at the thought of industrialization, the New Atheists who read the Wikipedia article on Chris Hitchens and suddenly think they can push their views on other people, and the **** who went through their entire lives without being told no and somehow think there is something wrong with society when they get out of university and the world doesn't bend to their every demand. Oh yeah, and legalize all the ***** cause they won't affect their abilities to function as members of society AT ALL. Seriously, they promise.

That's just what I **** about them. I'm sure other people **** aspects of the left just as much. So do tell.

And when the right comes here attempting to troll... why not ignore them for once? They'll have their own thread about the right to post in.

Everything you said I agree with. So I have nothing to say since you said it. So well said.

and... Politics = :baconsalt:

 

[robot_r0ck]

...and........

I am not a Liberal. I am not a Conservative.

 

[Mayhem]

Worst things about the Left:

Political correctness
Anti-*** agenda
Militant Vegans
Treating the religious with contempt (ala Bill Maher)

Honestly, that's all I'm coming up with.

I disagree with most of your OP. Environmentalism, feminism, Pro-Choice, and and Pro-Gay (which you didn't mention) are all Liberal positions that I'm proud to have and less proud to have to fight for in my country.

One of the things I've said during my life is: If you don't have fanatics, you don't have a cause. All sides of anything have their percentages of people who go further than the group, who take things to far/seriously. When I go after the Conservatives, I like to think I'm attacking the rank-and-file, not jumping all over what their own fringe went too far with. Us Libs have our own fanatics, and I have debated with many of them as well. This is to include a 2-year stint on an uber-Liberal Conservation board where I tried to talk sense to the militant vegans (and got nowhere, of course).

Don't think that those of us on the Left are unaware of the fanatics on our own side.

 

[lurkingdirk]

I find that many on the far left have an air of intellectual superiority about themselves, deserved or not. And that's just bullshit.

 

[CptHa]

Worst things about the Left:

Political correctness
Anti-*** agenda
Militant Vegans
Treating the religious with contempt (ala Bill Maher)

That pretty much sums it up for me, with the addition of the extreme environmentalists. There are more eco-friendly ways to produce energy and goods, but the pre-industrial societies pretty much all sucked hard.

 

[xfire]

I find the far left to be the most annoying group in politics; even more so than the extreme right. I absolutely **** how some people think society would be better off if everything became more politically correct, and that's just the tip of the iceburg. Everything they suggest makes my ***** boil. No zero policies in elementary schools, extreme environmentalism and feminism, parents who try to be "new age" and teach their *****ren to look at the world differently by doing stupid things like raising them without gender so they can decide for themselves.

And, I'd be lying if I said I didn't like the people who tend to be far left, either. They're the ones who are the members of **** and Greenpeace who become angry at the thought of industrialization, the New Atheists who read the Wikipedia article on Chris Hitchens and suddenly think they can push their views on other people, and the **** who went through their entire lives without being told no and somehow think there is something wrong with society when they get out of university and the world doesn't bend to their every demand. Oh yeah, and legalize all the ***** cause they won't affect their abilities to function as members of society AT ALL. Seriously, they promise.

Living in Texas, I'm lucky if I find moderate democrats let alone far left liberals. That said, I'm not a fan of permissive parents that don't discipline their ****. If you think that's a phenomenon that's restricted to the far-left you would be foolish.

I'm also not a fan of the anti-death penalty stance some on the far-left take. Capital ****** in Texas requires the ****** to occur under a number of specific circumstances i.e. during the commission of another felony, ****** of a police officer or firefighter, multiple ******s, and a few others. If a defendant is found guilty, and after all appeals have been exhausted, I have no problem with the State of Texas implementing final justice.

Immigration. I do not favor an open border. Close the damn thing down. Not only does our porous border allow unrestricted ******* immigration but it's also inherently dangerous because of the free flow of ******* *****. Far left liberals don't seem to see a problem with it. It's a huge problem.

I have no problem legalizing hemp. *******, heroin, methamphetamine, and all the other hard *****, however, need to be eradicated. Current Texas law only defines ****** as a capital offense. I would love to see our tuff-guy Texas republican government move to make **** trafficking a capital crime. 'Splain to me why that hasn't happened, since republicans are so very tough on *****?

I could add a few more but I'm not giving any more fuel to the knuckle-draggers.

 

[Mayhem]

Living in Texas, I'm lucky if I find moderate democrats let alone far left liberals. That said, I'm not a fan of permissive parents that don't discipline their ****. If you think that's a phenomenon that's restricted to the far-left you would be foolish.

Agreed and agreed

I'm also not a fan of the anti-death penalty stance some on the far-left take. Capital ****** in Texas requires the ****** to occur under a number of specific circumstances i.e. during the commission of another felony, ****** of a police officer or firefighter, multiple ******s, and a few others. If a defendant is found guilty, and after all appeals have been exhausted, I have no problem with the State of Texas implementing final justice.

I'm pretty much anti-death penalty, but not to the point where I want to debate someone else about it. I understand the other sides point and, in this case, I know when I'm outnumbered.

Immigration. I do not favor an open border. Close the damn thing down. Not only does our porous border allow unrestricted ******* immigration but it's also inherently dangerous because of the free flow of ******* *****. Far left liberals don't seem to see a problem with it. It's a huge problem.

I'm an open immigration kind of guy simply because of the scope of the problem. The is also an economic point to be made that open immigration is our cheap labor, as opposed to other countries cheap labor.

I have no problem legalizing hemp. *******, heroin, methamphetamine, and all the other hard *****, however, need to be eradicated. Current Texas law only defines ****** as a capital offense. I would love to see our tuff-guy Texas republican government move to make **** trafficking a capital crime. 'Splain to me why that hasn't happened, since republicans are so very tough on *****?

Agreed. especially on the hemp thing.

P.S. I don't know why I decided to weigh in on your post. I just felt like it.

 

[xfire]

Agreed and agreed

I'm pretty much anti-death penalty, but not to the point where I want to debate someone else about it. I understand the other sides point and, in this case, I know when I'm outnumbered.

I'm an open immigration kind of guy simply because of the scope of the problem. The is also an economic point to be made that open immigration is our cheap labor, as opposed to other countries cheap labor.

Agreed. especially on the hemp thing.

P.S. I don't know why I decided to weigh in on your post. I just felt like it.

I know more republican douchebag parents than I do democrat. Probably because of the demographics where I live. It's an enlightening experience because for all the claims around here that these people make about being conservative, christian, and republican, if you watch how they live, you would think they are exactly what they bitch about.

I'm not a rooting-tooting death penalty shooting ***-of-a-***, but I think it has it's place. Of course it would help if it wasn't administered by people that seem to take sadistic glee in executions.

Immigration and open border are hard to separate when you live in a border state. I've posted before and it's worth repeating, if you're anywhere within two-hours of the border, I suggest you keep going North. You really can't appreciate it unless you've been there. I have, and I don't recommend it. For me, it's more about the free reign of the **** cartels than it is about immigration. It's a national security issue, as well.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Really? I have never noticed any consistent parental behaviour defined by party affiliation. That's a new one to me. I know both very good, and very bad parents affiliated with both parties.

However, now that I think about it, I know several Libertarians who are terrible parents. The kind that never discipline, and believe their **** can do no wrong, and that everyone wants nothing more than to have their **** around, and take care of them while the parents sit and talk. An odd coincidence.

 

[xfire]

Really? I have never noticed any consistent parental behaviour defined by party affiliation. That's a new one to me. I know both very good, and very bad parents affiliated with both parties.

However, now that I think about it, I know several Libertarians who are terrible parents. The kind that never discipline, and believe their **** can do no wrong, and that everyone wants nothing more than to have their **** around, and take care of them while the parents sit and talk. An odd coincidence.

I'm talking people where I live, that I know personally. It's about an 80/20 split republican/democrat.

 

[Deepcover]

How can I even start this...I don't agree with legalizing same sex marriage all over the country and the world, abortion or ****ing babies, ******* immigrants coming into the country and then trying to put fourth their own laws so they can take over, North American jobs going to other countries like Mexico and China, feminism (maybe that's why I always argue with OCSM's because they're filled with that feminism crap), education, maybe cloning and energy. There's a special word for it (stem cells research?) can't remember and liberals is in favour of these things.

Wonder if anyone have mentioned what they dislike about the Conservative party?

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

I disagree with most of your OP. Environmentalism, feminism, Pro-Choice, and and Pro-Gay (which you didn't mention) are all Liberal positions that I'm proud to have and less proud to have to fight for in my country.

I have no problem with any of those things. While I wouldn't say I'm "proud" of them since the majority of them are not relevant to me, I'm definitely not going to be headed to the streets to protest abortion or environmentalism. My problem with those are, like you said, the fanatics that push their opinions on those subjects on everyone they meet. If you disagree with them, or if you simply do not support them as strongly, you get an earful. As an example, you certainly are aware of the Oil Sands in Alberta. I cannot overstate how much I **** the people who say they should be shut down regardless of their economic impact. You see them a lot whenever the Oil Sands are mentioned and they make them out as if by using them Canada is Nazy Germany. Doubled with the fact that the majority of them do not understand the importance of them to sustaining our economy and THEIR way of life, and... It just drives me insane. These are the people that protest everything they dislike while overlooking the fact that their iPad and yoga pants were made in sweatshops; they pick-and-choose their opinions in a way that even the Christian right can't contend with and I think they are all just complete wastes of time.

 

[Rattrap]

Doubled with the fact that the majority of them do not understand the importance of them to sustaining our economy and THEIR way of life, and... It just drives me insane. These are the people that protest everything they dislike while overlooking the fact that their iPad and yoga pants were made in sweatshops; they pick-and-choose their opinions in a way that even the Christian right can't contend with and I think they are all just complete wastes of time.

I'll give a +1 to this. I'm a fair bit of an environmentalist myself, but I understand that our (especially the American) way of life is based on excessive waste and you cannot be environmentally friendly with it...as you say with your iPad and yoga pants examples (or their Prius, which while far better for the environment while in use, took a tremendous amount of energy and waste to build in the first place).

Want to protest Canadian oil sands? Stop driving a car.

...I would disagree that they are more selective in their pick-and-choosing than the religious right, though.

 

[Fatfishblu]

As an almost 10-year die-hard Democrat (are you sitting down xfire and Mayhem) turned Republican after leaving Academia, I can say most of my disdain with Democrats is their hypocrisy. For example, as a young Democrat I was defined as educated, refined, cultured, smart and now as a Republican people call me uneducated, unrefined, uncultured, dumb, as well as hill-billy, Bible-thumper, wingnut, etc. What the hell changed except I carry a (R) after my name rather than a (D)? Another example to look at is a current issue with an Obama fundraiser with Jay-Z and Beyonce: $40K a plate with $800/bottle of *********. Sounds like something the 1%'s do. But wait! It's OK for a Lib to do it, but not anyone else! WTF? Libs state they are equal opportunists. Well, be an equal opportunist. Ridicule all Religions, not just Christianity. Call out those extremists on your side, not just point fingers at the right. Admit the main street media/print media is on your side, don't just bitch and moan about the 2 AM radio stations that broadcast extreme Republican talk shows (there's only 1 here in Cleveland, OH). Admit wrong when wrongdoing has been done. That's what bothers me the most about Democrats.

 

[Mayhem]

Fish, we do NOT characterize you as "uneducated, unrefined, uncultured, dumb, as well as hill-billy, Bible-thumper, wingnut, etc.", because you are Republican. We characterize you that way based on the absolute drivel you post on this board, and the half-assed way you try to make a half-assed point.

Your post right there is all I need as reference. The only people bringing up fundraisers are Republicans. Us Libs aren't talking about Romney's fundraisers, we talk about the **** he spews when he's speaking at one.

While I don't believe in "ridiculing" any, let alone all religions; we don't just pick on Christianity. **** up and start listening.

And you want admissions of wrongdoing? I want Romney to release his tax returns. So, we apparently both want the same thing.

 

[vodkazvictim]

This is an excellent idea for a pair of threads.
Sadly, as a resident of England, my opinion in these matters is inconsequential at best.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

This is an excellent idea for a pair of threads.
Sadly, as a resident of England, my opinion in these matters is inconsequential at best.

Hey, that's why I put liberal in the title. Surely there are a few things you can say about the leftist party in England.

 

[Elwood70]

My question is this: Why is everyone in such a hurry to label themselves as one or the other? Whatever happened to free thought?

 

[bobjustbob]

My question is this: Why is everyone in such a hurry to label themselves as one or the other? Whatever happened to free thought?

I saw you post this question on the other board and it is a good one. You can have free thought if you have some interest in politics from the local levels. People live in communities that have homeowners associations and have no interest in what goes on there until they put lights on their driveways and are told to take them down. Schools now have 9:45 lunches for your **** because the lunch rooms are too small. Where were these parents when these decisions were being made? It's these voters that wait every 4 years to bitch about the country and just arbitrarily pick one side or another.