ChefChiTown
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Thurman Munson comes to mind for me.
kurt warner? does he or doesnt he?
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Thurman Munson comes to mind for me.
Cmon.....this shouldnt even be a question!!
OF COURSE the guys a Hall Of Famer.....3 Super Bowls, MVP's,Super Bowl VICTORIES,Pro Bowls........WTF else do you want the guy to do in his career!!??:dunno:
everyone has their opinion...in my view...he's in
Kurt Warner shouldn't be a Hall of Famer for the same reason Terrell Davis isn't a Hall of Famer, and even Davis deserves it more than Warner. Superbowl appearances and wins aren't a good thing to go by and having two or three really great years, even as good as those years were for those two, aren't good enough by itself when the rest of the time your either not playing at all or mired in mediocrity. For the better part of over about five years now Warner has been fighting just to keep a starting job at one place or another. A superstar that is doing that at the very end of their long running career when they have played great their entire career up to that point is one thing. Having the “struggle to keep your job” stage of your career be the biggest most formative part of your career after a couple of good years on a team that was loaded with talent is another. Kurt Warner is the later. If your making a case that somebody deserves to be a in the Hall of Fame for a sport and they only had a short time where they played good they damn well better have a Sandy Kofax like streak of greatness in that short time.
great points...but a rb and a qb has different jobs to do...rb's careers are like 4-5 years long? a qb has to lead their teams to victory...more demand on the team and making choices on that field...the numbers dont lie...and winning mvp in the league isnt a fluke, he did it twice...taking 2 teams to the superbowl isnt a fluke...is it the team he's on? probably so, but can u blame the guy for taking advantage? no
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Seriously, its like the pro bowl game. Nobody watches it and its not a real game.
I don't think he was a fluke. I think he was good for those years. I just don't think with everything added together that those few good years are enough without more great or even really good years backing them up. If Warner was even an above average to good quarterback for 8-10 years other than those couple of years I would say he would have a decent case of getting in, but a couple of great years and with almost nothing else backing them up except where you are fighting with Eli Manning (when he sucked) and Leinart just to play isn't enough for me. Who knows? Maybe if Warner was discovered when he was younger instead of struggling to get out of Arena Football maybe he would have those extra good years, just like if Terrell Davis didn’t get hurt he might of had a lot more good years left in him, but that didn't happen.
ChefChiTown
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The Terrell Davis argument is the perfect one to make. :thumbsup:
Someone having a few amazing years, doesn't equal the same sort of overall impact or success as having many good years.
One thing that is looked at when voting people into the Hall of Fame is longevity and consistency. Kurt Warner has 10 years behind him. That's good and you can't say that it's not. But, out of those 10 years, he only had 3 or 4 good ones. I don't care about his Super Bowl win, I don't care about his MVP awards and I don't care that he has now taken two different teams to the Super Bowl. He doesn't have the consistency to deserve a spot in the Hall of Fame.
Plus, look at his career numbers...they're not that impressive. :dunno:
This is his 11th year. In his 11 seasons, he has won less than 50% of the games that he has started in 5 of those years. Hall of Fame? No, I don't think so.
the thing about warner is, he came out of no where...he took two of these teams...with nothing...i mean nothing...and has taken them to super bowl...that, in itself has to mean something, sure the talents surrounding him does matter alot...before warner in st. louis...losing seasons, i wanna say one playoff appearance? next to nothing, boom this guy comes in, wins mvp, wins super bowl, has a couple of great years there...then it all goes away...to only land in ny...never got it going, then moved again to arizona...with matt leinhart being the starter...he never got the chance, then he finally gets the chance again, this team before warner wasnt a winning team, all of a sudden he leds yet, another team to the super bowl...fluke? this guy was a bagger before coming to st. louis...he belongs in the hall of fame...and yes, some guys...it does matter to them getting in the hall of fame...look at micheal irvin's speech, you say it doesnt matter? it matters...im talking to someone else about this last part
ChefChiTown
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When Kurt Warner played for the Rams, they had one of the best offenses in recent years. They were deemed as "The Greatest Show On Turf" for ****** out loud. How is that nothing?
While Kurt Warner is recently playing for the Cardinals, he gets to throw the ball to 2 of the NFL's best wide receivers. How is that nothing?
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before warner, did they win a playoff game? before warner did they win the division? the teams were basically next to nothing before warner jumped on ship...read my post...im talking about before warner got there
ChefChiTown
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When Warner arrived, so did everybody else on their offense. So...:dunno:
Good point.
so, he's a hall of famer...give credit to the coaches and scouts to bring in the talent...like holt, bruce, faulk...now...fitz, boldin, james...warner brought a winning edge to these two franchises...they might have had the talent before warner...but did they win? did they go to the playoffs? answer is no...with him, they've won...and now he's leading the arizona cardinals to the super bowl...a team that has no right being there? right? if he wins the super bowl...he has to be considered...call it whatever u wanna call it...he gets my vote
ChefChiTown
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If Kurt Warner is a Hall of Famer for being a member of the Rams when they won the Super Bowl, then so is everybody else on that team.
I think you're putting far too much importance on the quarterback position. Is it important? Yes, but so is every other position. Teams can get away with having a mediocre (not Hall of Famer) quarterback and still make it to, and win, a Super Bowl. Some examples of that would be...
Jim McMahon (won)
Trent Dilfer (won)
Brad Johnson (won)
Jeff Hostetler (won)
None of those 4 quarterbacks are Hall of Famers.
Like I said before; Kurt Warner is a good quarterback, but he doesn't deserve a place in the Hall of Fame.
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yes, it forever puts them with the greatest players of all time. proof: witness how many guys get ****** up and cry at the induction ceremony.
Kurt Warner was a Leinhart injury from not starting at all. But he does have a few NFL records to his name.
Second Highest Completion Percentage, Career (Min. 1500 attempts) - 65.75%
Highest Average Passing Yards Per Game, Career (Min. 100 games) - 261.2 yards/game
Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl - 414 yards vs. Tennessee Titans (only QB to pass for 400+ yards in the Super Bowl; also owns 2nd highest yardage total in Super Bowl with 365 against the New England Patriots)
Highest Rate of Games w/300+ Yards Passing (Min. 100 games played) - 45.2% (47/104)
Most Consecutive Games w/300+ Yards Passing - 6 (tied w/Steve Young and Rich Gannon)
3 games with a perfect passer rating
Only NFL quarterback to throw 40 touchdowns and win a Super Bowl in the same season (1999).
I think he'll get in if he wins. But he shouldn't.
Second Highest Completion Percentage, Career (Min. 1500 attempts) - 65.75%
Highest Average Passing Yards Per Game, Career (Min. 100 games) - 261.2 yards/game
Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl - 414 yards vs. Tennessee Titans (only QB to pass for 400+ yards in the Super Bowl; also owns 2nd highest yardage total in Super Bowl with 365 against the New England Patriots)
Highest Rate of Games w/300+ Yards Passing (Min. 100 games played) - 45.2% (47/104)
Most Consecutive Games w/300+ Yards Passing - 6 (tied w/Steve Young and Rich Gannon)
3 games with a perfect passer rating
Only NFL quarterback to throw 40 touchdowns and win a Super Bowl in the same season (1999).
I think he'll get in if he wins. But he shouldn't.
Craig Morton led the Cowboys & Broncos to the Super Bowl.
One thing you guys are not mentioning is that there's a lot of politics in football. It took Warner awhile to even get a chance to "show what he had." He was 3rd string in Green Bay behind Brett Favre & either Mark Brunnell or Aaron Brooks...I can't remember. Then in St. Louis he was behind Trent Green until Trent got hurt in the first or second game. Warner came in and led them to the Super Bowl...twice. Politics caused him to go to the N.Y.Giants then Eli Manning arrived. More politics in Arizona when Matt Leinart got drafted.
This is a tough one but if I had a vote...He would be a H.O.F'er.
at first I would think of him as a HOFer but after reading some of the comments i'm now filled with ambivalence. Whether he makes it or not, I think he's a GREAT QB. so whoever compared him and roethlisberger, I think its' no contest.... roethlisberger can win game by throwing 150 yards a game.... the dude rarely ever have to carry his team.. he is just fortunate to be in pittsburgh where they have a such a great system in place... roethlisberger is just above average at best.
