Koch Bros to buy next election

[Rattrap]

I'm sorry if I don't give deference to your every post.

Translation: "I'm sorry for not reading your post before responding."

I believe I have somewhat of a grasp of the composition and intent of this thread.

You know, the pavlovian response bit was tongue in cheek, but good lord man, you heard the bell and couldn't type 'Soros' fast enough.

There. I've debated your points.

No. You haven't. And until you do, there's no reason to pay any more attention to you.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Translation: "I'm sorry for not reading your post before responding."


You know, the pavlovian response bit was tongue in cheek, but good lord man, you heard the bell and couldn't type 'Soros' fast enough.


No. You haven't. And until you do, there's no reason to pay any more attention to you.

What happened to you? Did you have back surgery recently?

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

What happened to you? Did you have back surgery recently?

He's been on my ignore for years.

 

[MustBeGood]

Another Koch Bros influnce ALEC model bills being pushed in Wisconsin.

http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/...ews-call-for-right-to-work-law-290225381.html

But:
http://badgerherald.com/news/2015/0...ght-to-work-law-is-doing-more-harm-than-good/

Plus $300 million cut for UW.
http://badgerherald.com/news/2015/0...em-autonomy-300-million-in-cuts/#.VMrKvIjF2X4

Watch the talented professor that has made that Big Ten school par with Ivy league and Stanford standards look for jobs at those schools. Just like the teachers after they got their you can't bargain shaft that went to the Chicago and Minneapolis-St Paul areas to teach who left after the collective bargaining fight of 10'. Where they respect public employees in those two states. .

 

[MustBeGood]

And to add insult to injury Scott Walker told the professor to teach more classes and less research.

 

[Johan]

Do you plan on quitting your bitching long enough to offer an alternative? Because until you do, you sound like you think the 5 Taliban "generals" (now there's a joke of Koranic proportions) should have been left where they were, and Bergdahl left where he was.

Ok so here's my alternative : free these 5 taliaban generals, have they guy back in America but don't trial him. Whatever he did he payed the high price for it : 5 years in the hands of the Talibans.

And as I've said plenty of times before, we want a majority to decide elections. No one wants to "win" with 35% of the vote, let alone 28%. And I highly doubt we'd like the result if we did manage to change to that kind of system.

How do you think we do in France ? How do you think they do in Germany, England, Italy, Spain, Japan, etc ?
The two party system is not the only way to have a majority. It's just the best way for politicians on both sides to rig the system and keep their seat as long as possible so they can fuck the people as long as possible.

 

[MustBeGood]

And to add insult to injury Scott Walker told the professor to teach more classes and less research.

Add on.

And the curriculum will be based on the Koch Bros vision as the structure for teaching. Or just brainwashing.

 

[Mayhem]

Ok so here's my alternative : free these 5 taliaban generals, have they guy back in America but don't trial him. Whatever he did he payed the high price for it : 5 years in the hands of the Talibans.

He's being put on trial for desertion. Maybe you don't take these things seriously, which is precisely why no one wants your opinion.

How do you think we do in France ? How do you think they do in Germany, England, Italy, Spain, Japan, etc ?
The two party system is not the only way to have a majority. It's just the best way for politicians on both sides to rig the system and keep their seat as long as possible so they can fuck the people as long as possible.

Nothing you said here is an incentive. England's government is a nightmare. So is France and Italy. Japan always has enjoyed totalitarian rule, and its people don't mind. And Germany isn't exactly who you turn to for examples of how to be a superpower.

 

[Rattrap]

Ok so here's my alternative : free these 5 taliaban generals, have they guy back in America but don't trial him. Whatever he did he payed the high price for it : 5 years in the hands of the Talibans.

Wrong thread.

How do you think we do in France ? How do you think they do in Germany, England, Italy, Spain, Japan, etc ?
The two party system is not the only way to have a majority. It's just the best way for politicians on both sides to rig the system and keep their seat as long as possible so they can fuck the people as long as possible.

There's a lot - for better or for worse - that doesn't translate going from a parliamentary system to individual, single-member elections like we have in the States. You can't have a coalition president, for example. How do you provide proportional representation when electing individuals (this is one of my biggest beefs with the system in England - they have a mix between the two, which...er, well, is actually pretty close to what we have in the states as far as the Legislative branch is considered). Mayhem's point about nobody wanting to win with 35% is fair, except that we're already there (Obama was elected by 29.7% of elegible voters in 2012, 32.3% in 2008, Bush with 30.5% in '04, 26% in '00, and so on). Yes, I'm conflating two issues, on purpose - voter turnout and majorities of voters who are actually voting. After all, why bother, if you figure a vote for an individual who might actually represent you is a waste? Hence alternative voting systems (I read an article a little while back about great success in a few cities that've tried IRV - mainly that the elections were far more positive and candidates didn't spend the whole time attacking each other, as just one side effect. I can't find anymore though, and anyway, IRV is not without problems).

But again, that's not the main issue here anyway. People voting against their own interests will get what they vote for whatever the voting system.

 

[Rattrap]

As I said before in this thread, people voting against their own interests is hardly unique to the States. Here's a poll in Germany that, among other things, found this:

The survey found that more than 60 percent of Germans believe there is no genuine democracy in their country because industry has too much political influence and that the voice of the voters plays only a subordinate role.

Here again is that disconnect. This poll's coming not so long after the main party of power, CDU, gained even more seats/votes in the last election.

The voice of the voters can have a bigger role if and when they start actually voting for people who will represent them. Voting for the same couple of parties over and over and over again will not achieve that result.

Or to put it another way: if those 60% are truly representative, they had more than enough power to change up the government in the last election to where they could trust their voices are being heard. Same as in the States. Or Britain, or Spain, or or or...

 

[MustBeGood]

As I said before in this thread, people voting against their own interests is hardly unique to the States. Here's a poll in Germany that, among other things, found this:

Here again is that disconnect. This poll's coming not so long after the main party of power, CDU, gained even more seats/votes in the last election.

The voice of the voters can have a bigger role if and when they start actually voting for people who will represent them. Voting for the same couple of parties over and over and over again will not achieve that result.

Or to put it another way: if those 60% are truly representative, they had more than enough power to change up the government in the last election to where they could trust their voices are being heard. Same as in the States. Or Britain, or Spain, or or or...

True. But in the United States it takes money to get elected and that means representing special interest mainly ALEC. Not the people. Like the ALEC model bill being rushed through in Wisconsin to make it the next right to work state. Did the people ask for that?