sometimes it’s good when solving a puzzle to go back to the beginning. We focus a lot on the dso stuff, but this is also a promising angle.Any more examples from these early scenes we can search through?

Yeah like we never knew Veronica Zemanova had casting scene until someone post it about over a decade ago though ended up with disappointing results.

Actually I ever did downloaded that scene about ten years ago, and when I lost that scene due hard disk damage,I decided to downloaded it again from different source, turns out, I saw few angle which I can't found from first video.
 
On the forum page of woodman casting, someone asked if there is a hardcore for Ashley's video .... woodman said “they don't have a video with me but you can find them on the internet” ...

Woodman is actually the perfect source for this sort of thing. For those of you that don't know Woodman, who calls himself "The Spider" because of how he traps these young girls in his web - referring of course to his unparalleled ability to make girls who didnt want to do porn, go straight to hardcore fucking on camera. They also call him "the whore whisperer" for this. How he does it is a point of controversy and many rumors abound. But apparently the girls can be brought in there under false pretenses, thinking it's just a normal modeling shoot, and suddenly it's a bait and switch. Add to this being flown out of their countries and then no plane ticket back plus berated if they refuse. Then on the carrot side, some speculate the use of fake reference girls, claims that his website is blocked in their country, alcohol, and then the trickery, where they'll have sex with him, yet he's recording it with a hidden camera and then owns them. (an example of Viola Bailey, a super popular up and coming glamor model of a few years ago who said she would never do hardcore and had a boyfriend. He used his tricks and manipulation to get her to have sex with him on hidden camera, and then the rumor is may have flipped that into leverage to sign a contract for a series of films. Anyway, here's how he slowly started marketing that he had her doing more than just glamour: https://www.**********.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Viola_Woodman.png and then this one: https://**********.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Viola_sucks_3_guys.jpg get the reference? Guess what a spider does to the lies it catches. Woodman is a legend and actually ends up filming her with her boyfriend despite the kid being totally oblivious to the fact that woodman had sex with his girlfriend, but that's a story for a different time).

Going back to Ashley, the key link Woodman has to this story is that he got Lenka Gaborova and Veronica Vanoza into porn, and maybe(?) to an extent Jana as well. Woodman basically pioneered mining eastern europe for talent. He has a famous quote about it:
"
- Pierre, tell me, where did you most of all get the stars for your films and which nationalities are most likely to become pornstar?
- Well, you know, I traveled all over the world, not disdain to visit even in countries with a strict religious order. When the company Private gave me carte blanche, I was in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Africa, Australia and Brazil, the selection was very slow, many were full and did not need so-called immoral earnings, someone was too religious and with disgust escaped after the first casting, it all applies to all listed except Slavic young ladies. Actually, mind you, I know three languages: French, my native, English and Russian. It was after my trips to Belarus, Russia and Ukraine that I had to learn it. It's not profitable to take a model from the western part of Europe, they can not be deceived, they know their own worth, they have to pay twice as much as the Slavs, and after they become known and their contract expires, they do it at all and have to look for them others. Another thing is the women of Ukraine and Russia. Firstly, they can pay half of what an actress receives from France or Spain; Secondly, the Slavs are ready for everything absolutely. For example, to force to make anulingus a German or a Frenchwoman is simply impossible, whereas Russians will not even say words across and will pour out your male ass for a hundred bucks. "

He basically ended up focusing on the Czech Republic, and between him, a competitor, and then the brother of one of the girls he cast actually becoming the director czech casting, Woodman basically is responsible for Czech girls being the sort of go to women for the porn world.

Jana, Lenka, and Veronica (and I believe Anetta keys too) were friends before hand, and Jana's closest collaborations with softer nude modeling and softcore were these girls. The mystery here is, at about the same exact time, he casts all these girls on his website. Even more key, Three out of four of them he has on film doing extreme hardcore with him, despite that they were all lingerie and nude models.

Anetta Keys has talked about being sort of manipulated into her first and only anal (and first hardcore) in pretty much the manner described above.

Lenka was super young and super innocent. Extremely reluctant, she was firmly against doing hardcore and kept saying no. She even showed Woodman a magazine with her modeling pictures trying to explain to him that she doesn't do hardcore, but he didn't care. (https://i.imgur.com/VhGe4rX.png , https://i.imgur.com/xJLVkV8.png) Eventually it cuts to his hotel room, being filmed by a hidden camera, Lenka almost surely not even aware it's there. He has rough painal sex with. His fans rank it as one of his greatest rough hits. Honestly, having only seen these girls through this thread and related dso stuff before, I was stunned watching her scream her lungs out in a super hardcore scene as he railed her ass out. Later on, he actually takes off his condom and then empties it into her mouth, and then throws the used condom on her. (https://i.imgur.com/AaBize0.png , https://i.imgur.com/tjD1LZz.png , https://i.imgur.com/eWHmvxq.png , https://i.imgur.com/oiqlI15.png )

After such a hardcore scene, it's clear why Lenka wasn't able to get work in softer modeling anymore, and had to make a short lived move to mild b/g before retiring shortly there after. Apparently, Woodman invited her to fly out to Brazil with him, but (according to the woodman forum) Lenka was too scared to go, keep that in mind for the next story.

Veronica Vanoza, aka Veronika Bittnerova (Woodman casted her under her real name). Typical casting scene, only it ends after the stripping. In the forums. Woodman confirmed that he had the scene of him fucking her in the hotel with the hidden cameras like he did with Lenka, but she negotiated with him not to release it. She ended up going on the Brazil trip with him that Lenka didnt want to go on, and did multiple scenes. The theory is that it was one of those typical trap contracts where it's high paying but only if all the directors scenes are complete. Because lo and behold, the lasts scene is Woodman pissing (yes you read that right) into Veronica's mouth!

Ashley/Jana only did the casting scene with him, but I wonder if there wasn't more that he leveraged into something else. Regardless, there is one more connection to the spider, the fact that she fucked George Uhl.

George Uhl if you'll recall is one of the men who successfully seduced Jana in dso: https://i.imgur.com/OD4E0Ox.png
https://www.gifdeliverynetwork.com/poshsecretaoudad

He also did a scene with Lenka after woodman turned her out (or "converted" her in the terms of his followers), and he apparently even was dating Veronica Vanoza, though I think the whole Woodman pissing in her mouth thing ended that relationship pretty quickly.

Woodman has referred to Uhl as a friend and iirc a business associate. It's just too many coincidences. They might be working through referrals, or even in coordination, or he uses the more attractive guy to lure them in, "loverboy" style (https://www.dw.com/en/charming-the-girls-then-prostituting-them/a-5874959)

So now where does this leave us. Woodman, the reigning world champion in getting beautiful reluctant models to do hardcore, including many girls thought more elusive and more famous than even Ashley, who has had sex with and filmed the first hardcore of all her friends, and who works with the guy who managed to fuck her in dso, says there is hardcore of Ashley out there. Do we really think she's the only one out of all of them that escaped the spider's web? That seems to be a great lead and confirms the efforts of this thread. We must try even harder now.
 
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Woodman is actually the perfect source for this sort of thing. For those of you that don't know Woodman, who calls himself "The Spider" because of how he traps these young girls in his web - referring of course to his unparalleled ability to make girls who didnt want to do porn, go straight to hardcore fucking on camera. They also call him "the whore whisperer" for this. How he does it is a point of controversy and many rumors abound. But apparently the girls can be brought in there under false pretenses, thinking it's just a normal modeling shoot, and suddenly it's a bait and switch. Add to this being flown out of their countries and then no plane ticket back plus berated if they refuse. Then on the carrot side, some speculate the use of fake reference girls, claims that his website is blocked in their country, alcohol, and then the trickery, where they'll have sex with him, yet he's recording it with a hidden camera and then owns them. (an example of Viola Bailey, a super popular up and coming glamor model of a few years ago who said she would never do hardcore and had a boyfriend. He used his tricks and manipulation to get her to have sex with him on hidden camera, and then the rumor is may have flipped that into leverage to sign a contract for a series of films. Anyway, here's how he slowly started marketing that he had her doing more than just glamour: https://www.**********.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Viola_Woodman.png and then this one: https://**********.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Viola_sucks_3_guys.jpg get the reference? Guess what a spider does to the lies it catches. Woodman is a legend and actually ends up filming her with her boyfriend despite the kid being totally oblivious to the fact that woodman had sex with his girlfriend, but that's a story for a different time).

Going back to Ashley, the key link Woodman has to this story is that he got Lenka Gaborova and Veronica Vanoza into porn, and maybe(?) to an extent Jana as well. Woodman basically pioneered mining eastern europe for talent. He has a famous quote about it:
"
- Pierre, tell me, where did you most of all get the stars for your films and which nationalities are most likely to become pornstar?
- Well, you know, I traveled all over the world, not disdain to visit even in countries with a strict religious order. When the company Private gave me carte blanche, I was in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Africa, Australia and Brazil, the selection was very slow, many were full and did not need so-called immoral earnings, someone was too religious and with disgust escaped after the first casting, it all applies to all listed except Slavic young ladies. Actually, mind you, I know three languages: French, my native, English and Russian. It was after my trips to Belarus, Russia and Ukraine that I had to learn it. It's not profitable to take a model from the western part of Europe, they can not be deceived, they know their own worth, they have to pay twice as much as the Slavs, and after they become known and their contract expires, they do it at all and have to look for them others. Another thing is the women of Ukraine and Russia. Firstly, they can pay half of what an actress receives from France or Spain; Secondly, the Slavs are ready for everything absolutely. For example, to force to make anulingus a German or a Frenchwoman is simply impossible, whereas Russians will not even say words across and will pour out your male ass for a hundred bucks. "

He basically ended up focusing on the Czech Republic, and between him, a competitor, and then the brother of one of the girls he cast actually becoming the director czech casting, Woodman basically is responsible for Czech girls being the sort of go to women for the porn world.

Jana, Lenka, and Veronica (and I believe Anetta keys too) were friends before hand, and Jana's closest collaborations with softer nude modeling and softcore were these girls. The mystery here is, at about the same exact time, he casts all these girls on his website. Even more key, Three out of four of them he has on film doing extreme hardcore with him, despite that they were all lingerie and nude models.

Anetta Keys has talked about being sort of manipulated into her first and only anal (and first hardcore) in pretty much the manner described above.

Lenka was super young and super innocent. Extremely reluctant, she was firmly against doing hardcore and kept saying no. She even showed Woodman a magazine with her modeling pictures trying to explain to him that she doesn't do hardcore, but he didn't care. (https://i.imgur.com/VhGe4rX.png , https://i.imgur.com/xJLVkV8.png) Eventually it cuts to his hotel room, being filmed by a hidden camera, Lenka almost surely not even aware it's there. He has rough painal sex with. His fans rank it as one of his greatest rough hits. Honestly, having only seen these girls through this thread and related dso stuff before, I was stunned watching her scream her lungs out in a super hardcore scene as he railed her ass out. Later on, he actually takes off his condom and then empties it into her mouth, and then throws the used condom on her. (https://i.imgur.com/AaBize0.png , https://i.imgur.com/tjD1LZz.png , https://i.imgur.com/eWHmvxq.png , https://i.imgur.com/oiqlI15.png )

After such a hardcore scene, it's clear why Lenka wasn't able to get work in softer modeling anymore, and had to make a short lived move to mild b/g before retiring shortly there after. Apparently, Woodman invited her to fly out to Brazil with him, but (according to the woodman forum) Lenka was too scared to go, keep that in mind for the next story.

Veronica Vanoza, aka Veronika Bittnerova (Woodman casted her under her real name). Typical casting scene, only it ends after the stripping. In the forums. Woodman confirmed that he had the scene of him fucking her in the hotel with the hidden cameras like he did with Lenka, but she negotiated with him not to release it. She ended up going on the Brazil trip with him that Lenka didnt want to go on, and did multiple scenes. The theory is that it was one of those typical trap contracts where it's high paying but only if all the directors scenes are complete. Because lo and behold, the lasts scene is Woodman pissing (yes you read that right) into Veronica's mouth!

Ashley/Jana only did the casting scene with him, but I wonder if there wasn't more that he leveraged into something else. Regardless, there is one more connection to the spider, the fact that she fucked George Uhl.

George Uhl if you'll recall is one of the men who successfully seduced Jana in dso: https://i.imgur.com/OD4E0Ox.png
https://www.gifdeliverynetwork.com/poshsecretaoudad

He also did a scene with Lenka after woodman turned her out (or "converted" her in the terms of his followers), and he apparently even was dating Veronica Vanoza, though I think the whole Woodman pissing in her mouth thing ended that relationship pretty quickly.

Woodman has referred to Uhl as a friend and iirc a business associate. It's just too many coincidences. They might be working through referrals, or even in coordination, or he uses the more attractive guy to lure them in, "loverboy" style (https://www.dw.com/en/charming-the-girls-then-prostituting-them/a-5874959)

So now where does this leave us. Woodman, the reigning world champion in getting beautiful reluctant models to do hardcore, including many girls thought more elusive and more famous than even Ashley, who has had sex with and filmed the first hardcore of all her friends, and who works with the guy who managed to fuck her in dso, says there is hardcore of Ashley out there. Do we really think she's the only one out of all of them that escaped the spider's web? That seems to be a great lead and confirms the efforts of this thread. We must try even harder now.

waow, waow, waow ... really nice comment. You deserve an applause after writing this ... There's definitely Ashley's video, as you said ... the question is where?
 
I've been looking for Ashley's hardcore video for a long time ... the only known is the blue sofa chat on the dso ... of course that video is not exact angle either ... there is a high probability cut in the woodman video ... they haven't posted it all ... but it's almost as if it's close to find I feel like ;)
 
@Gurnit22

It would be pain in ass if I quote your post so I just @ your name.

Yeah, sometimes PW can be a jerk and also he try to keep his pride and cover his failure with lies when he couldn't nail the model which he cast(but in some cases,the model ask a lot money from him if he want have anal with the model). I'll remember he keep looking a lot excuse for Veronica Zemanova casting, such as it was off record or something like that but he never show the proof or how Elsa Jean blasted him by said on her twitter that PW never have anal scene (it was obvious because during the scene, he only focus with one angle,hidden camera I guess).

Back to Ashley,I guess if she befriend with Lenka or Anette or both of them,I think it's obvious that she came as last women after them and maybe one of them tell bad things about PW and Ashley show no interest to work with him and only did soft casting.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Hide the scars to fade away the shake-up
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Because you wanted too......
 
Did Ashley ever have work done? boobs look bigger over time
She got a reduction. She had HUGE naturals even as a teen. Probably got them reduced to feel more comfortable, still very big and she ended up locking down her husband Tony, tho i still wonder if even he knows about her secret hardcore at the parties.
 
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