Its not terrorism and it's not at all about the Muslim religion. Just another beheading.

[meesterperfect]

Ok, so a couple of Muslims attacked a British soldier on the street with machetes and cut his head off, then praised Allah on a cel phone video.

The reporter ends this report with , " the day Bagdad style violence came to South London".
Well it came a long time ago, it happens everyday. What do they expect when they have an open door immigratiion policy with them? They know exactly what they are doing.

But don't fret, all is well. The Mayor of London said so: it is completely wrong to blame this killing on the religion of Islum
Its not the fault of Islum, its gott nothing to do with the Islum religion. And he made a point to tell the terrorized scared innocent people of London and the world that its not the British GOV and their irresponsible, traitorous, self loating , suicidal immigration policy either.

Why would he feel the need to even mention this? I'll tell you, because he knows he and the GOV that he represents ( the GOV, not the people) is responsible. How dare they put the English people in this kind of danger. They should be hanged drawn and quartered just like the old days.

Then this: There is no problem right? It was just a random attack that had nothing at all to do with Muslims........even though the murderer said it had everything to do with it 5 seconds after he killed the guy.
Woolwich attack: troops advised not to wear uniform outside bases

Commanders have advised troops not to wear uniform travelling to and from work or outside bases following the brutal killing of a member of the military close to Woolwich barracks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...dvised-not-to-wear-uniform-outside-bases.html
Why not? lets face it, England is fucked. They've lost their freedom.

 

[assari]

The worst punishment would be that the killers would be sent back to Africa.

 

[TheOrangeCat]

It was a beheading committed to inspire terror to a level where a country changes it's foreign policy.

It was committed by muslims, who invoked Islam both during and after the act.

'Just another beheading'? I don't know where you live, but in most of the places in the world I lived beheadings were not common at all.

So, to sumarise - Muslims committed a beheading in defense of Islam to inspire terror in their 'foe'.

Kinda looks like a fanatical Islamic terrorist attack from here.

 

[HefForPresident]

I think what Boris was saying mainly is that it's wrong to link this attack to British and American foreign policy. British and American troops are in the east for good reasons and one of those reasons is to protect the vast majority of the Muslims out there from extremist groups. For the sake of political correctness, he has to say that it's also wrong to hold Islam responsible. It is however fair to say that the vast majority of Muslims living in Britain - and worldwide - don't agree with these extremist views.

 

[larss]

Mr not so perfect.
Islam is not the problem - extremism is the problem. In the same way that Catholicism was not the problem during the Irish troubles, it wa IRA (and other) extremists.
Us Londoners are not "scared" as you say - we have been through a lot worse that a couple of deluded idiots attacking an unarmed, unsuspecting soldier.
As Hef4Pres has stated, most Muslims condemn was these 2 have done. They were obviously looking to become martyrs for their cause by hanging around and then running at the armed police when they arrived.
They failed. The only martyr here is Lee Rigby.
What worries me more than a Muslim uprising is a bunch of idiots deciding the Muslims should be attacked in retribution.

By the way, the advice to soldiers about not wearing their uniform was very quickly revoked.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22642441

"But early advice to conceal their uniform in public places, especially if alone, has since been relaxed."

We will continue about our lives.
We will mourn the loss of Lee Rigby - unarmed soldier.

Muslim leaders condemn the attack - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22650902

"Meanwhile, thousands of members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community are expected to gather in London to offer prayers for the dead soldier and his family and to "express solidarity against extremism". - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22654220

If nothing else, this attack has brought the Christian and Muslim communities closer together in standing against extremism.

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[Mr. Daystar]

Problem is, muslim leaders ALWAYS condemn these attacks....but not only do they do NOTHING to try and stop them, they are on occasion found to be donators of finances to these extremist organizations.

I would love to say a good carpet bombing is in order, but since that really won't stop this, or solve anything, I'll just say it like this...certain groups, individuals, and organizations need to be stopped. They need to be eradicated, and aggressively removed, like a spreading cancer. If that can be done, without law abiding muslims being hurt, great, but it needs to be done., and it needs to be permanent, and it needs to be done cost effectively. By that I mean, bullets are cheap, and they just plain old need killin'.

 

[Ulysses31]

Muslim leaders have condemned the killing and the majority of muslims are horrified too, what can they do to prevent attacks by dangerous individuals such as these, follow them around all day? The security services were actually watching these guys but they said there was no signs they were going to commit a violent attack so didn't prioritise them as they are watching 100s maybe 1000s of guys just like them. Problem with this this sort of attack is the guys probably just got up that day and decided to do it, it was so amateurish there was probably little if no planning, all the authorities can do is see if these guys were influenced by and radicals preachers or websites and go after them, the security services said today it was virtually impossible to prevent attcks like this in the future, all we can do is work with the community to help identify any potential individuals and try to cut out radical preachers and radicals websites which may attempt to lure in disillusioned young men. I know some Nigerians very upset by this as he was from a devout Christian family and converted to Islam as an adult, this makes it even harder to identify people like this as he didn't even grow up in a muslim family and wasn't brainwashed as a child.

"Meanwhile, thousands of members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community are expected to gather in London to offer prayers for the dead soldier and his family and to "express solidarity against extremism". - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22654220

They know all about extremism as they've been attacked for years by fanatics, a lot of muslims hate them because Ahmadi Muslims believe Ghulam Ahmad (Ahmadi founder) to be the Mahdi and Promised Messiah whilst other muslims see him as a false prophet. The official position of the Pakistani govt is that Ahmadis are non-muslims and this is recorded on their passports, so are just as likely to be targetted by fanatics and probably more so.

 

[vodkazvictim]

I'm already hearing of retaliatory attacks.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

 

[tartanterrier]

If the British police and intelligence services where that clever,then they'd round up all the jihadi clerics,arrest them,and send them back to where they originated from,with a lifetime ban on their passports from re-entering our country....simples

 

[Ulysses31]

If the British police and intelligence services where that clever,then they'd round up all the jihadi clerics,arrest them,and send them back to where they originated from,with a lifetime ban on their passports from re-entering our country....simples

I hear you but unfortunately the law doesn't make it that simple, sometimes they're actually British born meaning this is their one and only nationality whilst others that are foreign born either apply for a British passport and tear up their old one when they get it (meaning their origin country has no legal obligation to take them back) whilst others (like Qatada) claim asylum here and we can't send them back if it's felt they will be tortured because this is against British principles. Some marry stupid British women and then legally get residency through that whilst all the others who have kids (and they normally have 10+ each) can resist deportation as lawyers will argue that it's unfair on the kids (against their human rights) to have their father taken away even if he is an awful hate filled parent. I say if they're on housing allocate them a place in Northern Ireland and let's see them try talking shit up there, if the UDF/UVF don't get them the Real IRA probably will, it's the timid nature of mainland Britain that allows these preachers to mouth off without fear of any consequences.

 

[larss]

The worst punishment would be that the killers would be sent back to Africa.

How could they be sent "back". They were born in England.

 

[assari]

How could they be sent "back". They were born in England.

Well, then the British prison is right place for them.

 

[georges]

How could they be sent "back". They were born in England.

For invoking radical fanatism and terrorism as well as representing a group of terrorists on a land that is not theirs

 

[larss]

For invoking radical fanatism and terrorism as well as representing a group of terrorists on a land that is not theirs

I repeat - they can only be sent "back" to where they came from, which, by the accent of one of them is Peckham.

 

[wdoall]

terrorism in the terrorism in the United States is by conservative right wing Christian group its extremism that is evil not the religion itself

 

[Philbert]

terrorism in the terrorism in the United States is by conservative right wing Christian group its extremism that is evil not the religion itself

Right...why do you even try? You don't have a clue what you're saying...

icardfacepalm:

 

[TheSpokenWheel]

Ahh, the old "a couple of crazies did something horrible so anyone with the same religion/belief system must be equally guilty" argument. Tell me, when Timothy Mcveigh blew up 168 people (americans, at that),did you condemn all registered republicans, libertarians and "constitutionalists"? Or anyone who was anti big-government or white people in general?

Insane/dangerous people aren't exempt from the common human habits of popular belief systems. That's the dangerous thing about beliefs: eventually, somebody takes it too far and innocent people get hurt or killed. Was this an act or terror? In my view, yes, albeit small time, shortsighted and unorganized. But that doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorists, or sympathetic to terrorists and their radicalized belief systems.

 

[288gto]

terrorism doesn't know for religion, race, etc...
punish those guys, kill them.

 

[vodkazvictim]

I think what Boris was saying mainly is that it's wrong to link this attack to British and American foreign policy. British and American troops are in the east for good reasons and one of those reasons is to protect the vast majority of the Muslims out there from extremist groups. For the sake of political correctness, he has to say that it's also wrong to hold Islam responsible. It is however fair to say that the vast majority of Muslims living in Britain - and worldwide - don't agree with these extremist views.

I wouldn't listen to anything barking, bonking Bojo says if I were you...

Frankly, I'm not pleased this happened. If the security services knew about these guys, why weren't they stopped? Did they allow it to happen to play divide and rule?

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I think what Boris was saying mainly is that it's wrong to link this attack to British and American foreign policy. British and American troops are in the east for good reasons and one of those reasons is to protect the vast majority of the Muslims out there from extremist groups. For the sake of political correctness, he has to say that it's also wrong to hold Islam responsible. It is however fair to say that the vast majority of Muslims living in Britain - and worldwide - don't agree with these extremist views.

I wouldn't listen to anything barking, bonking Bojo says if I were you...

Frankly, I'm not pleased this happened. If the security services knew about these guys, why weren't they stopped? Did they allow it to happen to play divide and rule?

And how the fuck did a couple of idiots take down a British soldier? :wtf: :dunno:

 

[Ulysses31]

And how the fuck did a couple of idiots take down a British soldier? :wtf: :dunno:

In all fairness he was walking down the road unarmed and not in uniform probably not expecting to be attacked, also it's pretty hard to defend against being run over then while you're lying there barely alive 2 massive brutes run up to you with machetes and start hacking into you, you can see from the video when they run at the police how fast they were. You could query why the rest of the soldiers didn't come running out of the barracks guns blazing when they heard the news, providing they knew what had happened that is.