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Islam in Denmark: challenges ahead.

This article could be seen as racist by some but on the other hand it could also be seen as a reflection of our own reality that somehow our politicians refuse to see. The interpretation is up to the reader however it is food for thought.

SALUTE to Denmark .. This could very well happen here on our Continent....

Susan MacAllen is a contributing editor for (FamilySecurityMatters.org) Salute the Danish Flag - it's a Symbol of Western Freedom By Susan MacAllen

In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark . But in 1978 - even in Copenhagen, one didn't see Muslim immigrants.

The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time.

The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.

Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets -all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite?

By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious.
Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark 's liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.

An article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted, accurately, that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:

'Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.'
'Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5..4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.'

Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population.
A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.'

'Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem'

'Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect.. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.'

It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws.
An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and Canada: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who. as a teenager. had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say today.

In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe. ( Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of 'racism' by liberal media across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.)

If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes. You must pass a test on Denmark 's history, culture, and a Danish language test .

You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship.

You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting. If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark, you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won't find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you.

>>>You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen . Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in Denmark, they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren't.

In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government's welfare committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system, as it existed, was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the government. 'We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration'.

'The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now,' he said.

A large thorn in the side of Denmark 's imams is the Minister of Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the new policy toward immigration, 'The number of foreigners coming to the country makes a difference,' Hvilshoj says, 'There is an inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come.' And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to blend in, 'In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, and freedom of speech.'

Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family's thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark.

The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous violence was once so scarce.

Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened.

Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with supporters of Sharia law.

And meanwhile, Canadians clamor for stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in Canada look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history we would do well to look to Denmark, and say a prayer for her future, and for our own..


Long but worth reading!!


:hatsoff:

Change the offending group and that reads like Mein Kampf.
 
adapt or get the fuck out...

thats a law all countries should be working by...
 

Wainkerr99

Closed Account
The Inquisition in Europe, as everyone knows but seems to ignore, was in blatant contradiction to the Bible. It is funny, I have said this a few times to the same people.

The Muslim, however, today still disregard their Quran. As far as I know, the Quran teaches peace. In any case, Muslim rises against Muslim. This one's beard is the right length, so he will go to heaven.

What I know for a fact is in South Africa the Muslim community keeps some of the streets safe and in good repair as much as possible. They spread goodwill. They are responsive to those who show them love and respect.

I remember once buying from an outlet owned by people who are Muslim. I was as polite and friendly to them as I could be. One of the owners asked me: "Are you a Christian?"

I am not pointing a finger at Denmark. God knows they have an exemplary method of education in that country. That puts them in high regard in my book.

It just seems there are a group of radicals who have a foothold there, which they use to spread dissent and to build a platform on which to proselytise. They seem to be doing it in Denmark, to bring down established traditions. It is good if the Muslim are not radical in Holland. Maybe they have a more artistic outlook?

If things continue in Denmark where sides are forming opposing groups, it doesn't bode well. It is horrible to have to be constantly in a state of unrest just because some gook somewhere decides to stir a religious pot.
 

Wainkerr99

Closed Account
It may sound like a page out of Mein Kampf to you, but Jews weren't doing anything in Germany but living their lives.
 
Inquisition was apart of the Catholic Church. Heck, Pope Innocent III had over a million killed by the inquisition.

Especially the female Pope; Popes getting murdered for the throne; Sex of every genre, backstabbing, devilish acts, and history that would make one hell of a HBO or Showtime series! One, really screwed up account is Pope Formosus, he was dead for 8 months and still considered the Pope. The body was brought from the tomb, dressed up in the clothing of papacy, a crown on his loose scalp, and the scepter in his rotting hand. It was finally questioned by Pope Stephen when the smell of his rotting corpse started filling the assembly hall.

Pope Eugene IV was the one who condemned Joan of Arc in the mid-1400s. Pope Benedict IV in 1919 is the one that declared her as a "Saint" by their dogma.

Right there shows the whole infallibility of the Popes.

The inquisition came in around 1200 through the 1300s where millions of Christians and others had died.

What do expect when it is the Catholic Church first started at the beginning of the Dark Ages?

Martin Luther, who was once part of the Catholic Church, stated: "No one can imagine the sins and infamous actions are committed in Rome. They must be seen and heard to be believed. Thus they are in the habit of saying, 'If there is a Hell, Rome is built over it.'"

Catholic history is lucrative in research if you diligently study it.
 

jasonk282

Banned
Inquisition was apart of the Catholic Church. Heck, Pope Innocent III had over a million killed by the inquisition.

Especially the female Pope; Popes getting murdered for the throne; Sex of every genre, backstabbing, devilish acts, and history that would make one hell of a HBO or Showtime series! One, really screwed up account is Pope Formosus, he was dead for 8 months and still considered the Pope. The body was brought from the tomb, dressed up in the clothing of papacy, a crown on his loose scalp, and the scepter in his rotting hand. It was finally questioned by Pope Stephen when the smell of his rotting corpse started filling the assembly hall.

Pope Eugene IV was the one who condemned Joan of Arc in the mid-1400s. Pope Benedict IV in 1919 is the one that declared her as a "Saint" by their dogma.

Right there shows the whole infallibility of the Popes.

The inquisition came in around 1200 through the 1300s where millions of Christians and others had died.

What do expect when it is the Catholic Church first started at the beginning of the Dark Ages?

Martin Luther, who was once part of the Catholic Church, stated: "No one can imagine the sins and infamous actions are committed in Rome. They must be seen and heard to be believed. Thus they are in the habit of saying, 'If there is a Hell, Rome is built over it.'"

Catholic history is lucrative in research if you diligently study it.

As a Catholic myself I say BAH! Female Pope, Pope Joan is regarded by most modern historians and religious scholars as fictitious, possibly originating as an anti-papal satire.

Most of the inquistions in europe were becase of the witchcraft hysteria that was running amuck,

This is also the same Catholic Church that taught people how to read and write, saved numerous writting for centuries. Just a few bad apples does not mean the whole bunch is ruined
 

boobmanz

I love big booty too!
Most of the inquistions in europe were becase of the witchcraft hysteria that was running amuck,

And the concentration camps never existed, right? Get real.


Wainkerr99 said:
If things continue in Denmark where sides are forming opposing groups, it doesn't bode well. It is horrible to have to be constantly in a state of unrest just because some gook somewhere decides to stir a religious pot.

It needs two to tango. Right extremists exploits this unrest just as good.

So far I haven't heard a solution. Off course influx of large groups never go without pain. And xenofobs are large in number too in The Netherlands and some politicians exploit this very well. But they all need a history lesson or two. Don't know about Denmark but The Netherlands is a country built on foreign influences. 'Thanks' to the inquistion, 'thanks' to the colonies The Netherlands have a history of large foreign groups entering the country. And see? It's still a prosperous and not such a bad place to live.
 
Susan McAllen from the extreme right wing website FamilySecurityMatters.org
doesn´t know what she´s writing about or more likely she is lying.
If my english was better I would correct almost everything. Here´s a few
excamples of her misinformation.

In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark . But in 1978 -
even in Copenhagen, one didn't see Muslim immigrants.

In the sixties thousands of workers mainly from Turkey and Pakistan
were imported to do the hard dirty low paid work the danes didn´t
like to do.

Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education.

To go to Denmark you had to have a staying/working permission which you only got if you could prove that you had a job. You couldn´t go here and get welfare from the day of arrival. Neither was your transportation, housing nor education paid by the state.

By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its
unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious.
Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves.
( ) the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the
decadence of Denmark 's liberal way of life

The vast majority of muslims in Denmark like to be integrated which doesn´t
mean they have to give up their religion.
Muslim-exclusive enclaves. Where ? Never heard about them before. And I live
in the area of Copenhagen with the highest number of arabs in all of Denmark.
Also the area in Denmark were Dansk Folkeparti - a right wing nationalist party
- get the less votes from ethnic danes. Because muslims are our neighbours
and we know they are as different as christians, jews, atheists, hindues etc.
Like in many european countries lots of immigrants live in the suburbs in
concrete slum build in the 60s and 70s. That doesn´t make it muslim-exclusive
enclaves. Danes live there too.

An article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted, accurately, that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode.
In the article they reported:

'Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards
of 40 percent of the welfare spending.'
'Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5..4 million people but make up a
majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue
given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser,
disproportions are found in other crimes.

I don´t know where they got those ciphers. I never read any reliable statistics about that matter. But I know that Lars Hedegaard was a part of the extreme left in the 70s and is now one of the leading islamophobics in Denmark.

'Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough'

Of course there´s a few antidemocratic islamic fundamentalist imans.We have nazis in Denmark also. Luckily very few of either.

Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family's thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment
of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark.

The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous
violence was once so scarce.

Abu Laban - luckily he died almost two years ago - who was not representative for the muslims of Denmark didn´t demand that the state paid bloodmoney but suggested that the family of the killer did. And it was not a murder in the suburbs but happened in Nørrebro in the center of Copenhagen when a gang of dope dealers attacked a nightclub in the afternoon where the killer was alone at work. In self defence he shot one of them. If there´s anything funny about that story - which I don´t think there is - it is that he bought the gun from the people that attacked him.

It was not Rikke Hvilshøj´s house that was torched but her car in the carport and had nothing to do with Abu Laban but was a protest against danish asylum politics. A untill that time unknown political organisation calling themself "Aktionsgruppen Grænseløse Beate" said they were responsible for the attack.
They probably have to be found on the extreme left.
The police never found the guilty so how does Susan McAllen know who it was ?
 
Denmark is the citizens' there to run as they see fit... and many tenants of the Moslem faith fly in the face of everything we in the West hold dear. If the Moslems there don't like it, there are plenty of other places they can move to... however, it's the only home the Danes have.
 
Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden

That´s true. The many people who made it possible from Georg Ferdinand Duckwitz - a german diplomat - who warned about the german plans of arresting the jewish population, poor workers who hide their neighbours, rich people who helped financing the operation to the fishermen who sailed the jews to Sweden all of them risking their own life could really be proud of themselves.
Probably one of the greatest rescue operations in history. Approximately 100 jews were taken by the nazis.

What´s not talked much about in Denmark is the german political and religious refugees in the 30s who were sent back to Germany by the danish authorities. Most of them died in the concentration camps.

Today the danish authorities are sending refugees back.
 

Wainkerr99

Closed Account
Thanks for clearing that up PierreDK. I was hoping a Dane would put the story a bit more in perspective.

My sister married an Iranian. They live in Texas. Long story, but I had no idea M.J. even existed until March of this year (09). He is one of the sweetest, most pleasant persons I have ever met. M.M. worked in computer programming. He is the one person who would stand by my sister in her battle against cancer.

He isn't Muslim, but he is from Iran. My sister is learning Parsi, so she can communicate better with her in laws in Tehran. They are a really cool bunch.

Things are not always as clear cut or as well told as they should be when it comes to press and propaganda.
 

jasonk282

Banned
I never thought I would hear a red blooded U.S. Army man refer to the red coats as "we"!

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hey it's part of our history as a nation and of my city. Plus george Washington was a red coat at first, tghen he saw the error of his ways. Even today after serving with the Brits in Iraq, we picked on them but I have respect for them as well.
 

jasonk282

Banned
I don't know, but did the Virginia militia wear standard British uniforms circa 1750's?

:dunno:

Fifteen years later, when General Braddock arrived in Virginia in 1755 with two regiments of Regulars (the 44th and 48th Foot), Washington sought to obtain a Commission, but none were available for purchase. Rather than serve as a militia lieutenant colonel, where he would be out-ranked by more junior officers in the Regulars, Washington chose to serve in a private capacity as aide-de-camp to the General: as an aide he could command British Regulars

Washington_1772.jpg


"Although colonials had served in the British Army, and militias were common, the regiment was the only to drill regularly and wear a standard uniform.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Regiment
 
Fifteen years later, when General Braddock arrived in Virginia in 1755 with two regiments of Regulars (the 44th and 48th Foot), Washington sought to obtain a Commission, but none were available for purchase. Rather than serve as a militia lieutenant colonel, where he would be out-ranked by more junior officers in the Regulars, Washington chose to serve in a private capacity as aide-de-camp to the General: as an aide he could command British Regulars

Washington_1772.jpg


"Although colonials had served in the British Army, and militias were common, the regiment was the only to drill regularly and wear a standard uniform.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Regiment

abolutely
 
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