is man good or evil?

is man

  • evil?

    Votes: 24 63.2%
  • good?

    Votes: 14 36.8%

  • Total voters
    38
It is far too simplistic to categorise man into these two given attributes.

3rd option:

"Neither: Man is man"

There should have been a third option, because collectively, man is stupid.

i only gave two options, and little in the way of explaining, defining, or heisenberging; partly to stimulate the discussion, and also to force you to choose one or the other.

here's an opinion i sometimes hold:

man is evil. this is the source of goodness. in fighting against his evil nature, man finds good. evil is the driving principle of all life. the (seemingly) simplest animals wage a constant war for survival and dominance; from corals and anemones to birds, wolves and man, this evil nature serves us. it also drives us to do good, for our own groups.
the will to deny and resist this principle is the source of good, also altruism.

as an example, look at racism. bad thing, right?
i think so. racism is bad. it leads to death and division.
yet, racism is a survival mechanic hard-wired into every living thing.
"kill that which is different" is part of a basic equation within us all.
this evil which is in our very cells (and in the cells of chimps, fish, and kudzu) helps us survive, yet sometimes we rail against these basic instincts.
and that is good.
 
Neither. It's really a choice one takes in the journey of life.
 
I haven't had any kids, so I can't see things from your perspective.
I grant you that allowance... but perhaps I should also clarify that while my children provided me with insightful gifts beyond measure; I also drawn my conclusions from having survived almost 60 years of life on this planet - a good part of it in the most hellish circumstances imaginable.

My own experiences with humans tell me that there are some good people, and a whole lot of bad ones.
If I take what you say to be truth and apply it to a town of a 100 people, would you disagree if I said that 67 people out of the 100 are "bad"?

In other words - take yourself and two others around you. Given your argument of "a whole lot of bad ones" - who amongst your troika are the "bad ones"?

Like you said, we're the only species who will willingly hurt other members of their species. We use our great intelligence not for creative purposes, but to find ways to cause greater damage to our enemies.
Ach! Let us examine some examples, shall we?

Our greater intelligence in the past century created:
1. Air flight
2. Penicillin
3. Atomic energy

... but it also created:
1. Bombers
2. Biological weapons
3. Nuclear weapons

Who the hell talks about CAT scans? Improved IV needles? Sterile OR techniques? Hand washing guidelines? Eradication of diseases? Super-antibiotics? Laproscopic surgery? LASIK? Disposable contact lenses? Oral and injectible diabetes medication? The Triple Cocktail Regimen to contain AIDS? Radiation and Chemotherapy to prolong the lives of cancer victims? MRIs?....

.... all that I listed, simply came from the top of my head and were limited to modern medicine alone. THINK of the progress made in other fields....

We find ways to improve our unimportant, pathetic lives at the expense of others and the environment. We knowingly eradicate our fellow species off the planet in the name of greed.
Well, if you truly understood the concept of evolution, then ideally you'd protest the "preservation of species" in the name of "natural reserve" or "protected forest" etc.*


cheers,
R.

*: I understand my last response might generate quite a bit of response. If folks are interested, I'm willing to deal with civilized responses (my time permitting) - preferably in a different thread lest we drag this one too far off course.
 
I used to think that Man was born blank-- not good not bad -- but shaped according to experience and education, however he acquires them. But then I learned that Man was made in the image and likeness of God. So he must be good to begin with. How he eventually ends up depends upon experience and education.
 
I grant you that allowance... but perhaps I should also clarify that while my children provided me with insightful gifts beyond measure; I also drawn my conclusions from having survived almost 60 years of life on this planet - a good part of it in the most hellish circumstances imaginable.
I believe what you say about you learning from your children. Like I said, I haven't had children of my own, but I have learned a thing or two from other peoples' children. My girlfriend student-teaches at an elementary school as part of her teaching credential program, and she tells me all the time that she learns new things from her kids. I think that children can teach us much because, for the most part, they haven't been as contaminated by the world as adults have.
If I take what you say to be truth and apply it to a town of a 100 people, would you disagree if I said that 67 people out of the 100 are "bad"?

In other words - take yourself and two others around you. Given your argument of "a whole lot of bad ones" - who amongst your troika are the "bad ones"?
I don't think that I would say that 67% of people are bad in any given situation; I think that the percentage depends on where you're looking. If you took me and 2 others, I would say that the bad ones are me and one other person, or all three of us, or just me, depending on who the other 2 are. I don't think that just because you pick out 2 other random people they're necessarily going to be bad.
Ach! Let us examine some examples, shall we?

Our greater intelligence in the past century created:
1. Air flight
2. Penicillin
3. Atomic energy

... but it also created:
1. Bombers
2. Biological weapons
3. Nuclear weapons

Who the hell talks about CAT scans? Improved IV needles? Sterile OR techniques? Hand washing guidelines? Eradication of diseases? Super-antibiotics? Laproscopic surgery? LASIK? Disposable contact lenses? Oral and injectible diabetes medication? The Triple Cocktail Regimen to contain AIDS? Radiation and Chemotherapy to prolong the lives of cancer victims? MRIs?....

.... all that I listed, simply came from the top of my head and were limited to modern medicine alone. THINK of the progress made in other fields....
I could think of several more advancements we have made in transportation, agriculture, communications, etc. Our problem is that we take all this creative power and turn it on ourselves, whether it is directly or indirectly. There are the obvious weapons technologies which allow us to make more powerful weapons that can cause greater damage, but some of the technologies that are meant to be beneficial end up being a double-edged sword. Take, for instance, ethanol. Yes, it's a way to reduce our dependency on oil, but, as we have seen in the past few months, it also contributes to causing food shortages worldwide.
Well, if you truly understood the concept of evolution, then ideally you'd protest the "preservation of species" in the name of "natural reserve" or "protected forest" etc.*
I do understand the concept of evolution. I don't think, however, that evolution was originally meant to encompass systematic destruction of species and habitats. It's one thing for a creature to outlive its neighbor because it has adaptations that allow it to find food, or escape predators, but it is something completely different for a whole species to be wiped out by some unforeseen chemical pollutant that doesn't even give the species a chance to adapt. I'm not necessarily advocating the preservation of species, I'm just not advocating the destruction of everything on the planet.
 
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