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Is "Liberal" The N-Word Of The Left???
- Thread starter Little Red Wagon Repairman
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These labels are so constraining. Why do I have to align myself to a collumn?
Can't I just think what I think without being a this or a that? I understand that a certain outlook on certain issues can be considered either liberal or conservative... but me, I'm a Michael.
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Can't I just think what I think without being a this or a that? I understand that a certain outlook on certain issues can be considered either liberal or conservative... but me, I'm a Michael.
Nice to meet you.
Think we finally have some smart libs coming over to this thread. Fuck that big nose greasy haired Ronald Reagan. He fucked are country, economy wise and he formed that fucking Meese commision which put a fucking ban on pornography. That fucking prick. He was butt boys with Pat Robertson and Jerry Farwell to get his religious right agenda. One of the worst prez behind Bush. He is a fucking religious nut!
i know one thing, being a liberal is easy. just keep saying human rights, equality, democracy, freedom of thought and rule of law.
i mean just keep saying those things... sit on your ass, watch while iraq getting bombarded, ignore tons of people dying in africa because of hunger and primitive diseases, ignore dying earth itself...
go defend a serial killer or terrorist saying those are people too, you can't execute them or something like that.
go find some minority in a country like turkey and act like as if you will accept genocide each time and then in the last minute say we need turkey so we can't accept it, next time maybe.
while capitalism has nothing to do with equality (go try to run a little book shop, for example) defend that too. help general motors or some big fat ass people so they could run their empire forever.
what these thoughts makes me now?
i mean just keep saying those things... sit on your ass, watch while iraq getting bombarded, ignore tons of people dying in africa because of hunger and primitive diseases, ignore dying earth itself...
go defend a serial killer or terrorist saying those are people too, you can't execute them or something like that.
go find some minority in a country like turkey and act like as if you will accept genocide each time and then in the last minute say we need turkey so we can't accept it, next time maybe.
while capitalism has nothing to do with equality (go try to run a little book shop, for example) defend that too. help general motors or some big fat ass people so they could run their empire forever.
what these thoughts makes me now?
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
if you dunno. you dunno. dun guess.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
OK then. I'll give it a bit more thought. Hmmmmm....let's see now.....
OK, I got it! Yes! Just as I suspected....uninformed it is!
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Classical Liberal, Maybe.
I have no fucking idea what you just said. I think you don't even know what you were trying to say. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcQDO0bQBrg
meh... you know what, your signature "in an adult/pornographic forum, where no one really give it a darn, even though they participate *politics* threads like this" explains what i said much better. as useless as it gets. maybe you should read what i said in this context.
"your" rule of law is an utopia. no real human or country with real power will obey that, as usa does not. so, instead of signing kyoto you will go excuse killers and rapers and call yourselves democratic and whatsoever...
when some muslims crash into your towers you will go pillage the whole country and when israel **** thousands of palestinians and as a bonus destroying UN buildings you will say nothing. even if you say something, being against your goverment, that will change nothing.
you or the one with the power, will do what he likes. no liberals who keep saying those things will make a difference. so i'm saying just shut up. i/everyone heard everything you can ever say. it's always the same things anyway.
will to power owns rule of law. so i've no time for fairy tales.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Nobody asked you to post here. If you don't like what I have to say, that's fine but you have no right to tell me to "just shut up". Maybe that's how people are treated where you live but it doesn't work that way in the USA.
you didn't say anything other than dunno, uhmmm, arggghh, i'll give some more thought then and uninformed.
therefore i say liberalism should shut the hell up. which is my right, right? freedom of thought.
and if you still don't get what i mean; it's basically i find liberalism weak and soft. criticizing things from far away without taking any real action, unlike socialism or anarchism.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Well, if you bother to check out any number of the 2500-plus posts I have made on this board maybe you'd already know what I stand for. Your propensity for throwing labels on entire groups of people when you know absolutely nothing about them as individuals is prejudicial and, in fact, bigoted. You obviously have some sort of vendetta against anything liberal. Fine. Embrace your dogmatic principles (whatever those may be....you haven't really said what YOU stand for either other than the fact that you are against "liberalism") and rail against those of us who might dare to take an opposing viewpoint. If you want to have a viable and civil discussion about real issues, let's go at it. On the other hand, if all you want to do is make asinine generalizations about what I may or may not believe and then tell me to "just shut up" if I happen to cross you, I have no use for you sir.
i don't know you, you don't know me. i can't go read what all the people post on this board earlier each time. when i said "you said nothing" i was talking about what you said "to me" and it was you who started the rudeness while knowing absolutely nothing about me. i stand for will to power. i say even if you make the most perfect laws the one with the power will ignore them, that's what happened and still happening throughout the human history. i can't see any reason for this to change now. you can call me a nihilist but i'll definitely support communism or anarchy since i believe laws should be strict and harsh to make people follow them or you should remove them all completely. they don't work for the poor anyway. so let's be honest and turn back to jungle laws at least. i'm looking for purity. liberalism is so ***** to human nature. i wish what it idealizes could be true but it's not going to happen. so in the end i'm a realist.
**** thousands of people with your terrorist group but not get executed. say there are nuclear weapons in there and plunder the whole country and then say sorry, my mistake. bullshit. it was an obvious lie from the beginning and you know that (not you). what your (not yours) laws did about george bush? you said tsk tsk tsk you nasty president and thats all.
"American Conservative" believes in bans on things like personal **** use and prostitution which are private, individual choices and should have nothing to do with government intervention.
That is the antithesis of what Libertarians believe.
You're following the tags that the media has told people enough times that they believe them. What I was trying to say was that an American conservative SHOULD BE a libertarian in the vein of the guys that wrote the constitution, except they don't believe women and minorities should vote.
*sarcasm alert on the last sentence*
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
OK...an honest exchange of thoughts! However, I must correct you sir....your introduction into this thread was the first act of rudeness. I simply followed your lead by denigrating you as being uninformed (which I believe you are....no offense meant).
Define "liberal" to me if you would. You seem to despise "liberal" philosophies so much....I'd sure like to know what you think a liberal is (without the **** and judgments, OK? Just a definition). You seem not to like what has happened in the USA over the last decade....the ill-advised incursion into Iraq....the lack of concern over the Palestinian issue....lip service about human rights and health issues in Africa....not being in concert with the Kyoto protocol....etc.
Explain to me how these events represent liberalism? If you support true communism (as defined by Engels & Marx....not the perversion that exists today in Cuba and China), how can you not have liberal leanings? Communism is about as "liberal" as something can get from my perspective (from each according to his abilities, to each according to his need). It is not an authoritarian belief, at least not from a plutocratic viewpoint. In its purest form, it is a dictatorship of the proletariat. From what I can discern from your earlier posts, I really think you would prefer an absolute power situation like a monarchy, oligarchy or totalitarian dictatorship (a Stalinist type of "communism"). Am I reading you right there? You are in favor of law and order above all else?
On the opposite side of the coin, if a strict and controlled political situation is not possible, you would rather see chaos and anarchy than anything in between? That's an interesting take. I would deduce from your stance, if indeed I am understanding you, that you have little or no faith in mankind's ability to govern itself with elements like liberty, freedom and any expression of free will in place. Therefore, we either need to be controlled very tightly with a strong authoritarian political system in place or we need to do away with government altogether and let natural selection....the law of the jungle as you call it, be in place.
Am I basically correct here?
Originally, liberal meant to want and support change, while conservative was to seek the status quo. With those definitions, members of both parties, at different times have had either liberal or conservative views on a policy. I think both have become just a label. The label that I'm closet to is libertarian. I don't want someone or groups dictating what I think or do, especially if it doesn't harm anyone else.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Bingo! "Liberals" want progression (hence, the term "progressive") while "conservatives" are reactionary....they want to maintain what is already in place or even to regress if the situation warrants it from their perspective.
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