*Is Free Speech Dead ?*
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Marie said:
Ok, just hear me out on this, Phill77 got ****** and came back with another account, the mods forgave him so they allowed him to stay. LordRaven got ****** and came back (and still keeps coming back) with different accounts, the members forgave him but he still gets ******. What's more important, that mods like certain members and are willing to forgive them or that the other members like them and are willing to forgive them?
It's obvious that LR is just going to keep coming back again and again so why not just let him return instead of banning him each time? The members by and large have forgiven him so why can't the mods? I know that there is the multiple accounts issue but if you didn't keep banning him then he probably wouldn't keep creating multiple accounts. So where is the sense in dragging this out any longer especcialy since the members have forgiven him? Let's just allow him to come back and put this all behind us. :2 cents:
Marie said:
Sorry to say it Marie but the Freeones board has become a "bad" place recently, that's why I haven't posted as much in the past day or so and probably won't post much more until things start getting better.
That Brewality was certainly working his way out of here. Has it says in Die Hard 'Yippee Kaye, ************!!!!!!' hehehe. I think it was wrong of him indefinitely to insult NF, georges, QB and especially Marie. I don't think we will be seeing him around on here again for a very long time, maybe forever,lol. If he does, first thing he will probably say 'And I wouldn't have got ****** if it wasn't for those pesky ****!!!!' :rofl:
Brino said:
Ok I for one am simply sick and tired of being used like the board guinea pig, especially when people have no clue about anything. This is the 3rd time in this thread I have been brought up, and compared to 001.
Brino I have sent you a PM with a full explanation, so I won't say anything more towards your comments. (Don't worry my PM is done in a respectful manner.)
Also let me clarify again, that I believe that 001 was unfairly ****** and should be allowed to post again. He contributes to the board, and tries his best to refrain from flaming other members.
I don't think I was allowed back because i am a favorite among peers. In fact, I am far from it. I do contribute plenty to this board, and occasionally I let my pride get the best of me, and I get of hand sometimes, but I am always apologetic about it when I return. Which is probably why I am usually allowed to return? 001 admitted he's made mistakes and apologized also, so he should also be allowed to return. I don't purposely try to get myself ****** knowing that I'll be back, give me some credit, nor do I purposely flame others. If you read my posts it is usually instigated by the other person first.
Lastly, I have been a member of this for nearly 2 years, and have witnessed many changes. So called veterans of this boards already know about myself being strongly opinionated. They are used to me already. However in the past year or so we appear to be having new members (who shall remained nameless, see i can do it why can't the rest of you) who do not appreciate a valued opinion, and automatically criticize this person for speaking their mind. These certain members make a mountain out of a mole hill, and I believe this is where threads like this are created.
I believe this is now my 50 cents, not my 2 cents.
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The rules here are pretty lack compaired to alot of the other big boards. But, still the member find something shout about, it's amazing to me.
Famousbabes said:
I think not FB, there is this other board I happen to post on and its pretty much anything goes. Its what made it such a popular message board in the first place. I guarantee if many of those members were to post here, they would not last a day on here and be ****** instantly. People on there curse, they flame each other constantly, and most of all they respect ech others opinions. Yes it has its share of mods, but all they there for is to keep an eye out for spamming, and copyright issues, or for ridiculous requests.
This board I am referring to is a metal board, and its most popular forum is the Ozzfest one. I won't mention the name since I don't wanna be accused of spamming another message board. As i said many of those members wouldn't last a day here. I have no doubt in my mind that the majority of the members here would last a day over there.
One board as a example. K what about other boards on the net. THe net is a big place bro.
What I'am I trying to do? I was talking about how things are pretty lack here compaired to alot of other boards, and you seem to disagree, so we are talking it over.
Lord Raven/001/etc etc sat down and discussed all the issues about his membership with thfcmad and nightfly. After much discussion they reached an agreement. The account being used at that time was just the 001 account, and a complete list of any other accounts was made available to thfcmad to delete/close/nuke. The agreement was that both sides of the little personal war, (001, summer, jax etc VS fly, georges, bigdan etc) would learn to live together and make the board a better place for everyone. Since this agreement, things have been 99% fine. An altercation between Phil77 and 001 resulted in a post of 001s being edited and warned, but there is no enmity between those two. Marie was aware of this agreement. The board had been peaceful and much improved from recent times.
Sadly Famousbabes had been out of the loop for some time and on coming back has immediately ****** 001. A combination of lack of communication between moderators and him jumping the *** has now resulted in near enough a board wide revolt. Someone likened it to war, but only the moderators here have the power to start or finish a war. The members can fight with words; moderators can ban, edit and close things.
The moderators can end this complete lack of trust and respect going on right now so easily. Get over your prejudices against 001/Lord Raven as the members who had far more issue with him have managed, and allow the use of his 001 account. Talk to the members more before just doing things; getting to know them better might actually be fun! A stern but polite word would have so much more benefit than a quick fix banning. Dont emply double standards against different people; you should be impartial.
I bet the distrust and outrage would die out pretty quickly and the board would become one hell of a better place now. I can totally understand the negative feelings towards 001 and others like him, but as the polls showed before they got closed, 82% are in favour of his return and a more open system of free speech here. If you personally have a problem with him, try talking to him like thfcmad and nightfly did. It worked wonders as most here will readily agree.
I apologise for talking about myself in the 3rd person here, it was just easier to write and get my point across. Like I said, I have nothing against anyone here and wish to cause no trouble. Fine if you dont like me, but you shouldnt be punishing the rest of the board because of me.
To anyone in the past I have had differences with over something genuine, I apologise publicly for it. I have spoken to most already in private but for past crimes I wish to apologise to people like Nightfly, Georges, Bigdan, Foxycougar, thfcmad, Famousbabes, Marie, Phil77, Freeones and anyone else I have forgotten. I hope those here in power can put aside personal enmity and bring some kind of order and general respect back around here.
Raven 001.
Sadly Famousbabes had been out of the loop for some time and on coming back has immediately ****** 001. A combination of lack of communication between moderators and him jumping the *** has now resulted in near enough a board wide revolt. Someone likened it to war, but only the moderators here have the power to start or finish a war. The members can fight with words; moderators can ban, edit and close things.
The moderators can end this complete lack of trust and respect going on right now so easily. Get over your prejudices against 001/Lord Raven as the members who had far more issue with him have managed, and allow the use of his 001 account. Talk to the members more before just doing things; getting to know them better might actually be fun! A stern but polite word would have so much more benefit than a quick fix banning. Dont emply double standards against different people; you should be impartial.
I bet the distrust and outrage would die out pretty quickly and the board would become one hell of a better place now. I can totally understand the negative feelings towards 001 and others like him, but as the polls showed before they got closed, 82% are in favour of his return and a more open system of free speech here. If you personally have a problem with him, try talking to him like thfcmad and nightfly did. It worked wonders as most here will readily agree.
I apologise for talking about myself in the 3rd person here, it was just easier to write and get my point across. Like I said, I have nothing against anyone here and wish to cause no trouble. Fine if you dont like me, but you shouldnt be punishing the rest of the board because of me.
To anyone in the past I have had differences with over something genuine, I apologise publicly for it. I have spoken to most already in private but for past crimes I wish to apologise to people like Nightfly, Georges, Bigdan, Foxycougar, thfcmad, Famousbabes, Marie, Phil77, Freeones and anyone else I have forgotten. I hope those here in power can put aside personal enmity and bring some kind of order and general respect back around here.
Raven 001.
Not one mod or super mod has stepped up to defend raven, or mention anything said above. I'm skeptic, allowing LR back on the board was NEVER ever discussed in the mod section. How was I to know if it was true (that he was let on).
Like i've said before, if there was a deal made, then i will do everything in my power to get things back on track for 001.
Like i've said before, if there was a deal made, then i will do everything in my power to get things back on track for 001.
Winter/001/LR, your account won't be ****** till we figure this thing out. You seem very adamit about telling your side and that there was a "deal". I haven't seen thfcmad in a day. I would like to hear what he has to say.
Please keep your comments to this thread. I ask that so things are easier to follow.
Please keep your comments to this thread. I ask that so things are easier to follow.
If you dont take my word, then you can talk to either nightfly or thfcmad who were physically present during the discussion. I spoke VERY briefly to thfcmad two nights ago who said he hadnt been on in a bit but would sort it when he had the chance. Nightfly communicated the agreement to Bigdan and Foxycougar as I did to Summer and Jax.
I apologise for using this account, but bit hard to make a point when I cant post. This account is on the list I provided to thfcmad and I still have a list if required.
I apologise for using this account, but bit hard to make a point when I cant post. This account is on the list I provided to thfcmad and I still have a list if required.
Famousbabes said:
No problem. Since that deal was made, only 001 was used, and thats how it was going to remain. I think thfcmads reasoning behind this deal was so that with an allowed and regulated prescence I wouldnt cause trouble. I havent breached my side of the agreement til now by using this account.
WHo was the deal with? thfcmad and Nightfly. They said you can post again as 001?
Winter said:
GOOD FOR YOU, BRO!
ATTNL FamousBabes....
While I was NOT present for that particular discussiion between thfcmad, Nightfly, and 001, Nightfly DID approach me AND bigdan1110 later at the SAME time on MSN Messenger approximately two to three weeks ago and communicated this very same agreement to us. He asked that we refrain from deliberately baiting Raven, 001, and his other personas and swallow all our anger and enmity as that 001 would be allowed to remain on the Board and not be bothered.
If you need proof of this conversation, I'm thinking I could probably (hopefully - no guarantees at all) find it in all of my stored MSN Messenger conversations.
If I DO indeed have it, I will p.m. it to you as a quote.
It DID happen. Ask Nightfly... ask bigdan1110.
thfcmad was sick of hunting for accounts and banning me etc etc. He knew 001 was me for some time before approaching me, and had noted that as 001 I was causing no trouble. Frankly, I was pissed off at the original ban and caused some **** around xmas time. Excuses or reasons offered? None - I was an ass. I grew out of it and 001 was perfectly well behaved. He said so long as I stuck with that and thrashed out differences with other members so there would be no overspill on the board, it would be ok to carry on as 001.
There is not a lot more I can do or say. I have apologised and buried the hatchet with just about everyone involved. As 001 I have behaved and contributed a lot of good stuff - check out the Freeones FAQ I wrote that you can use to beat noobs around the head with
There is not a lot more I can do or say. I have apologised and buried the hatchet with just about everyone involved. As 001 I have behaved and contributed a lot of good stuff - check out the Freeones FAQ I wrote that you can use to beat noobs around the head with
Only a freeones staff member can let a guy come back. thfcmad, and I can only chime in on it. Nightfly has nothing to do if LR was allowed back.
Was anyone else involved?
If was asked to chime in on it??? I would say let him back if he was good. Thats the truth.
Was anyone else involved?
If was asked to chime in on it??? I would say let him back if he was good. Thats the truth.
I know darkman and Marie were aware of my prescence here. I have no idea to the extent of any communication between thfcmad and others. It isnt that I wanted the old LR account back or anything, just to continue as 001. I had bust my ass helping some people out on here and gathered a fair bit of respect I realise now from the support I have been getting from members (Thank you guys! 
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