Is Atheism a Religion?

[MMMariah]

Have you ever watched or heard Glen Beck's show? I think that's where she's getting her info. He declares doomsday weekly I think.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Have you ever watched or heard Glen Beck's show? I think that's where she's getting her info. He declares doomsday weekly I think.

You think too much, Mariah.

Supa, i'm not sure why you said "sadly". I try to look ahead based on what's going on now. Sure, i and others might be wrong about the feared future outcome, but time will tell and honestly i'll be the happiest person in the world and the first one to say "i was wrong" should the events unfold differently. But there is nothing sad in looking ahead. There is no progress without looking ahead. If the French and the Brits looked ahead before it was too late, in the last century's 20's we wouldn't have probably had the price of soap dropping to almost zero. If the US looked ahead when they started arming Afghanistan to kick the Russians we wouldn't have probably had Osama and the twin towers attack. If the French and their disgraceful allies looked ahead before attacking Ghaddafi, we wouldn't have the jihad at the borders with mediterraneum and the illegal immigration problems that all Europe is facing these days. There's no stereotype here: these people kill in the name of God and promised us all to wipe us away should we not convert and their number is growing geometrically on our soils with second generation muslims starting to take power locally. If you are not worried, i envy you, but claiming that it's sad that some people are worried is a different thing.

 

[MMMariah]

thats delusional. again, christianity is more than 80% of our country and even higher % than that in government.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

thats delusional. again, christianity is more than 80% of our country and even higher % than that in government.

Thank you for reinforcing my point about looking ahead and let's hope that it stays like that.
Have a great weekend and i mean it, believe it or not.
I'm off to the beach and then partying with a multi cultural and multi religious (yes, 2 muslim guys too) awesome group of friends,
I hope i can get some dick in my twat .

 

[MMMariah]

Maybe you are right, I do think a lot but at least I think for myself and not what people tell me I should think.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Maybe you are right, I do think a lot but at least I think for myself and not what people tell me I should think.

Same here and i've told you so many times that i like and appreciate that quality in you. I don't mind arguing with you and yet keeping the respect towards you intact. I do the same at home with my husband and friends and i don't give a shit about people telling me that fighting for your own beliefs is wrong. It's just that often you go over the top with calling people names and aggressiveness. But hey, that's who you are and that certainly doesn't keep me away from arguing with you while keeping thinking all the possible good about you as an individual. Enjoy the sea if you can this weekend.

 

[Supafly]

You think too much, Mariah. (/quote]

WHAT???

Supa, i'm not sure why you said "sadly". I try to look ahead based on what's going on now. Sure, i and others might be wrong about the feared future outcome, but time will tell and honestly i'll be the happiest person in the world and the first one to say "i was wrong" should the events unfold differently. But there is nothing sad in looking ahead. There is no progress without looking ahead. If the French and the Brits looked ahead before it was too late, in the last century's 20's we wouldn't have probably had the price of soap dropping to almost zero. If the US looked ahead when they started arming Afghanistan to kick the Russians we wouldn't have probably had Osama and the twin towers attack. If the French and their disgraceful allies looked ahead before attacking Ghaddafi, we wouldn't have the jihad at the borders with mediterraneum and the illegal immigration problems that all Europe is facing these days. There's no stereotype here: these people kill in the name of God and promised us all to wipe us away should we not convert and their number is growing geometrically on our soils with second generation muslims starting to take power locally. If you are not worried, i envy you, but claiming that it's sad that some people are worried is a different thing.

Just highlighting this one thing. You DO remember George W. Bush going on about his "Crusade" aka. Desert Storm etc. There is a LOT of "Killing In The Name Of" going on, TOO MUCH! But don't paint it like only the other side does this.

And regarding "second generation muslims" - I am friends with a lot of these muslims, had them as colleagues, played football with and against them, ... Strangely they never laid out any shariah law.

In closing: Of course I am worried. But more about the nazis and the mislead peop,e who start to take religious wars in their own hands. Or just stand by and cheer the wrong team.

 

[GodsEmbryo]

You think too much, Mariah.

Supa, i'm not sure why you said "sadly". I try to look ahead based on what's going on now. Sure, i and others might be wrong about the feared future outcome, but time will tell and honestly i'll be the happiest person in the world and the first one to say "i was wrong" should the events unfold differently. But there is nothing sad in looking ahead. There is no progress without looking ahead. If the French and the Brits looked ahead before it was too late, in the last century's 20's we wouldn't have probably had the price of soap dropping to almost zero. If the US looked ahead when they started arming Afghanistan to kick the Russians we wouldn't have probably had Osama and the twin towers attack. If the French and their disgraceful allies looked ahead before attacking Ghaddafi, we wouldn't have the jihad at the borders with mediterraneum and the illegal immigration problems that all Europe is facing these days. There's no stereotype here: these people kill in the name of God and promised us all to wipe us away should we not convert and their number is growing geometrically on our soils with second generation muslims starting to take power locally. If you are not worried, i envy you, but claiming that it's sad that some people are worried is a different thing.

Sabrina, I don't think there is anyone who is not worried about extreme muslims and what is happening in the Middle East today. However, the core of the debate in this and other threads is claims made like "All muslims are evil/terrorists and they should all be dealt with in the same way" and that is simply wrong. It's ok to be worried and to look ahead. But if you want to look ahead and make progress as you say the worst thing to do is to be blinded by fear, and the best thing to do is to search for information and educate yourself to be able to look ahead. And not only on the favorite left or right wing tv-channel, a blog, or sources that confirm this fear. You may notice that there were indeed hundreds if not thousands of demonstrations, petitions, protests... by muslims against muslim terrorism. You may even read about muslim countries contributing over $1 billion to USA relief efforts after hurricane Katarina in 2005, etc. Not really something this "evil" muslims would do if they are out to kill you don't you think?

I really invite some people to watch the next video, especially starting from 1:28

[...] with second generation muslims starting to take power locally. If you are not worried, i envy you, but claiming that it's sad that some people are worried is a different thing.

On a side note, I hope your own sentence will help you understand why atheists do not want any religion involved in politics.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Sabrina, I don't think there is anyone who is not worried about extreme muslims and what is happening in the Middle East today. However, the core of the debate in this and other threads is claims made like "All muslims are evil/terrorists and they should all be dealt with in the same way" and that is simply wrong. It's ok to be worried and to look ahead. But if you want to look ahead and make progress as you say the worst thing to do is to be blinded by fear, and the best thing to do is to search for information and educate yourself to be able to look ahead. And not only on the favorite left or right wing tv-channel, a blog, or sources that confirm this fear. You may notice that there were indeed hundreds if not thousands of demonstrations, petitions, protests... by muslims against muslim terrorism. You may even read about muslim countries contributing over $1 billion to USA relief efforts after hurricane Katarina in 2005, etc. Not really something this "evil" muslims would do if they are out to kill you don't you think?

I really invite some people to watch the next video, especially starting from 1:28

On a side note, I hope your own sentence will help you understand why atheists do not want any religion involved in politics.

I don't want any religion involved in politics either, so about that at least we agree. We also agree about the fact that not all muslims are bad or dangerous. If you read my posts i often point out that it's ridiculous that some cannot attack a gay without being called homophobic or a black without being called racist: if this is valid it is valid also the opposite. There are bad human beings and good human beings and both categories are present among black, white, yellow, muslims, christians, dems, reps etc etc.
The thing is that i am worried about a religion which professes the elimination of the infidels and which supports lies to trick infidels in believing that they can trust muslims. Some take this by the letter, some not, but unfortunately it is very hard to discern those who lie from those who don't until they plant a giant stick up your ass and it's too late. I have muslim friends and they are adorable people, but i must admit (and they know it and allegedly understand it) that there is never unconditional trust. Is it bad? Yes it is bad, but is it my fault? I don't think so. I don't think you can blame those parents who are afraid to keep their children around Catholic priests after all the pedo cases, can you? Are all Catholic priests pedos? No they are not. But we learn to generalize for self-preservation because we cannot read people's minds. There is an Islam problem going on and i'm sure that you can't deny that. People don't get scared by chance. Only the "moderate" muslims can end this, as i've always said, taking a firm, massive, public position against the fundamentalists, with gigantic rallies on the streets on a daily basis if necessary. Silent-assent, the Latins said. Then, there cannot be trust.

 

[GodsEmbryo]

I don't want any religion involved in politics either, so about that at least we agree. We also agree about the fact that not all muslims are bad or dangerous. If you read my posts i often point out that it's ridiculous that some cannot attack a gay without being called homophobic or a black without being called racist: if this is valid it is valid also the opposite. There are bad human beings and good human beings and both categories are present among black, white, yellow, muslims, christians, dems, reps etc etc.
The thing is that i am worried about a religion which professes the elimination of the infidels and which supports lies to trick infidels in believing that they can trust muslims. Some take this by the letter, some not, but unfortunately it is very hard to discern those who lie from those who don't until they plant a giant stick up your ass and it's too late. I have muslim friends and they are adorable people, but i must admit (and they know it and allegedly understand it) that there is never unconditional trust. Is it bad? Yes it is bad, but is it my fault? I don't think so. I don't think you can blame those parents who are afraid to keep their children around Catholic priests after all the pedo cases, can you? Are all Catholic priests pedos? No they are not. But we learn to generalize for self-preservation because we cannot read people's minds. There is an Islam problem going on and i'm sure that you can't deny that. People don't get scared by chance. Only the "moderate" muslims can end this, as i've always said, taking a firm, massive, public position against the fundamentalists, with gigantic rallies on the streets on a daily basis if necessary. Silent-assent, the Latins said. Then, there cannot be trust.

I don't entirely agree but it's a fair point and I can understand your position.

 

[BusterLoads]

Is Atheism a Religion?

No.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

I don't entirely agree but it's a fair point and I can understand your position.

All good when you disagree and yet you respect

 

[assari]

Wow. You had to dig back nine years ago to discover me making some negative comment about Al-Qaeda in an incredibly weak attempt to prove your idiotic claim? And please tell me in your infinite wisdom how this proves that I am either an "agnostic atheist" or xenophobe in any fashion as you suggest? In case you aren't aware, Al-Qaeda does not singularly represent foreigners....they represent terrorists. I'd say the same thing about them if they were from Michigan. If your claim is that I am anti-terrorist, I plead guilty. Otherwise....another epic fail on your behalf. Really....that's the best you could come up with? Weak, dude. Extremely weak.

I think that most of Al-Qaeda are not American so they are foreigners to you.

Maybe you're not an atheist or aqnostic, maybe you are "itsellään tullut".

Are you fucking kidding me? As an atheist I criticize all religions. The only respect I have is for the right to believe what you want to as an individual. Institutional religion for the most part has a record of hatred and the stifling of scholarship. As a christian you profess to have faith in a book that you don't even know what it says. Most atheist have read enough of different texts to know how full of shit they are. Most religious people only know the select lines that their leaders have read to them during services. If you do not know whether Jesus was a Jew or not then there is a big gap in your knowledge of the bible. If you read any of these sacred books with a critical eye and any sense of reason then you will realize that they are nothing more than ancient "Harry Potter" stories.

Show me one of your post that criticized the Islamic faith.

I'm an atheist and i have criticize the islamic a lot of time here on the board, ask johan...
But i won't do anymore because now in my country, who was supposed to be a free country, we not able to say what we think about muslims.


You're a Christian and you didn't know that Jesus was the king of the Jew? damn did you read the bible once in your life? I'm an atheist and i know that! :1orglaugh


And his name is SATAN!

Helleluyah!

Show me one of your post that criticized the Islamic faith.


That is a matter of interpretation.

Jesus is the son of God and can someone say that God is Jewish.

Forgot to mention that there are more Buddhists in the US than Muslims. So should we be worried about them too? Wake the fuck up

I do not think that you are an atheist because you criticize almost only white Christian men who have a lot of power.

 

[CrimsonBolt]

Show me one of your post that criticized the Islamic faith.

Are you calling me a liar?

I'm not catholic neither, but gto said that he's a muslim and you open a thread bitching about catholics.
If we draw a pic of Mohamed we got our throat cut, and you come here start your shit?

Watch what your people's does before talking trash on the others!

 

[assari]

Are you calling me a liar?

I do not call you a liar.

"If we draw a pic of Mohammed we got our throat cut"

is the situation so bad in France?

 

[CrimsonBolt]

is the situation so bad in France?

Look what happened at Charlie hebdo, and is not only in France i heard some years ago in Norway (i think) someone made explode a car after than a painter draw a caricature of Mohammed.

 

[MMMariah]

For centuries the christians were EVERY BIT as murderous and violent in the name of god as the muslims of today are, maybe more. The crusades is a perfect example. How many died in the name of god then? So when you make this claim that christianity is better than islam you are essentially saying "my god is real and yours isn't" even though there isn't a drop of proof that EITHER of them even exist! Islam of today has become perverted by those who are fundamentalist and use it to create a society that they see as the only legit way of life....sound familiar to any christians who know anything about YOUR history?

Islam extremism is a problem, no doubt. But its not a problem on the scale that the right is trying to sell you on. They need there to be fear to sell votes. They are the party of war and occupation therefore they need to have the sheep hiding behind the sheepdog so they create their own version of the wolf.

But there are more chinese coming into the US than muslims.