I think this sums up the Republican Party schism pretty good
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This has always been the foolishness of the Republican party. As Maddow says, you talk to Republican voters, they all want small, leave-me-alone government - just talk to any of them on this board. Yet their party never delivers this. And yet they keep voting for them. To their credit, at least the Democrats are honest - they tell you big government and you get big government. For whatever reason, Republican voters can't seem to understand that the Republican party also means big government. Pretty much since the modern day parties became what they are.
So, news flash Republican voters: 'your' party does not align with your interests. The Democratic party does not align with your interests. What're you going to do?
What a crock of shit. The big government Republicans are what has been put in the leadership and not conservatives. GWB was not a conservative. That is what leftists like Maddow are doing. Either purposely lumping conservatives and republicans together as one and the same or they don't know the difference.
I sit back and read the BS posted here like Bernie Sanders is a mainstream politician when he is anything but. Meanwhile, a conservative starts to sniff the nominations and commies like you start to lose their minds and scream extremist. A conservative majority congress ( I don't say Republican) and a conservative president would result in real smaller government policies.
You are so wrapped up and watching yourself post that you are clueless that you appear to be either out of touch or a pompous ass that has no idea how stupid you look as proclaiming conservatives extreme and unacceptable while voicing some of the most radical agenda of any person on this board.
I sit back and read the BS posted here like Bernie Sanders is a mainstream politician when he is anything but. Meanwhile, a conservative starts to sniff the nominations and commies like you start to lose their minds and scream extremist. A conservative majority congress ( I don't say Republican) and a conservative president would result in real smaller government policies.
You are so wrapped up and watching yourself post that you are clueless that you appear to be either out of touch or a pompous ass that has no idea how stupid you look as proclaiming conservatives extreme and unacceptable while voicing some of the most radical agenda of any person on this board.
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I would be very comfortable with a true conservative in office. But you are not telling me that you believe that any GOP candidate of today will be anything close to that.
Regarding Sanders: Of course he is nothing close to being mainstream. That is the whole point of his campaign. The USA are so deeply corrupt that it is natural to you.
But why get involved and change things? No, you decide to "sit back and read the BS"... That is your choice.
Regarding Sanders: Of course he is nothing close to being mainstream. That is the whole point of his campaign. The USA are so deeply corrupt that it is natural to you.
But why get involved and change things? No, you decide to "sit back and read the BS"... That is your choice.
a conservative everything would result in smaller government for the wealthy with plenty of tax loopholes and no regulations and fuck the middle class harder than its already being fucked. We would have increased spending on defense which is the fucking last thing we need and more religious intrusion into the lives of citizens i.e. Abortion would become illegal again and gays would get shoved back into the closet as far as their rights go. We have a very serious issue with our electrical grid which needs upgrading along with many other things that a "true conservative house and presidency" would eliminate funding, along with the other things like the post office.
But the beauty of this argument is that our country is moving away from your ideal jerk off scenario and it won't happen. Just listen to "true conservative" Ann Coulter talk for 30 seconds and you see why.
But the beauty of this argument is that our country is moving away from your ideal jerk off scenario and it won't happen. Just listen to "true conservative" Ann Coulter talk for 30 seconds and you see why.
That may be so. At least you seem to understand the difference between a conservative and garden variety republicans as opposed to some here. The next election will be the determining factor as to whether conservative ideas still have a pulse in American politics. If liberal democrats continue winning in 2016, I will concede that I may never see another conservative majority or president during my lifetime.
The arrogance of the republican party isn't helping. To refuse to change or adjust to the times when they are clearly losing support because of it is suicidal. The Rubios of your party declaring that the strategy should be "to change nothing" is stupid. Also, and you know I'm right on this but hate to admit it because it includes you and your ideal party, is that moving further to the right with the Ted Cruz tea bagging candidates is a bad bad bad move. That guy is hated and un-electable as are those like him. Rick Perry is another idiot. Rick Santorum is another. Newt is disgusting to far too many people. Jeb Bush talks like he's on Lithium and his name is poisonous. Rand Paul says good things then puts his foot in his mouth with craziness.
But the true reality is the fact that the democrats had the worst turnout in history and still your party still barely won the last midterms says a lot about where it's headed, in many races that shouldn't have even been close. Since 2000 more votes for democrats have been cast than for republicans, every year that margin gets bigger. Hell your state has had more democrat votes in the last 4 elections but because of the clever carving up of the districts, it still maintains 10 of 13 seats = the people not being represented fairly and that will eventually change. The only hope your party has of winning is voter suppression, keeping drug possession laws a felony, keeping voting away from felons, and hopes that the left doesn't turn up to vote. They will NEVER win again based on their agenda. Those voters are dying off and the world is changing. Its not my opinion, they have polled it to death.
But the true reality is the fact that the democrats had the worst turnout in history and still your party still barely won the last midterms says a lot about where it's headed, in many races that shouldn't have even been close. Since 2000 more votes for democrats have been cast than for republicans, every year that margin gets bigger. Hell your state has had more democrat votes in the last 4 elections but because of the clever carving up of the districts, it still maintains 10 of 13 seats = the people not being represented fairly and that will eventually change. The only hope your party has of winning is voter suppression, keeping drug possession laws a felony, keeping voting away from felons, and hopes that the left doesn't turn up to vote. They will NEVER win again based on their agenda. Those voters are dying off and the world is changing. Its not my opinion, they have polled it to death.
Your ideas aren't winning. If the democrat party was that confident in their ideas they wouldn't feel the need to create future democrats through executive fiat . Unfortunately for my side, the demographics were allowed to be changed without resistance through illegal immigration and irresponsible immigration. Our country basically had a moratorium on immigration after the droves came here through Ellis Island. That was to allow them time to assimilate into American culture.
Now, those that want to create a whole new voting base want to bring as many in as possible without assimilation and create a whole new class of voters. It is working but only because it did not meet resistance.
I realize this and the genie is out of the bottle.
But I will not for one moment take your views seriously when you trash every conservative but support every fringe leftie that is out there. I also don't believe for one moment that you ever held any conservative beliefs.
Now, those that want to create a whole new voting base want to bring as many in as possible without assimilation and create a whole new class of voters. It is working but only because it did not meet resistance.
I realize this and the genie is out of the bottle.
But I will not for one moment take your views seriously when you trash every conservative but support every fringe leftie that is out there. I also don't believe for one moment that you ever held any conservative beliefs.
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Conservatives would rather sink with the Republican party than adapt their views. It's been transparent for a long time that the GOP isn't a truly conservative party but the big caveat is that people who identify as conservative aren't really conservative either, rather, they embrace a mishmash of outdated and quaint ideals, intrinsic prejudices, and misguided social steering. There hasn't been a fiscal conservative in the White House since Eisenhower and it speaks volumes that the Interstate Highway System was mandated during his administration. Conservatives and Republicans are so far divorced from reality that it's hard to decide if it's amusing or frightening. Hey, at least Liberals/Democrats shoot straight and are footed in reality, a far cry from breathlessly claiming Obama was getting ready to "invade Texas" one week, then after some inclement weather lining up at the government trough for any and all assistance that will surely be forthcoming.
The Democrat party isn't centrist or mainstream . Since you want to go back to Eisenhower perhaps we should take a look at his successor who was a fiscal conservative and wouldn't even stand a snowball's chance at being nominated by today's democrat party.
Conservatives certainly are a dysfunctional family right now but they will find themselves again. Unfortunately once they do, it will be after liberals have taken us down a path of no return . Ronald Reagan was a fiscal conservative but did not have the luxury as did Ike of not having to rebuild a depleted military. He also had to work with Democrats to get anything done. You keep bringing this up and I keep having to state the facts about Reagan . It is obvious that you don't want factual info about his presidency, but rather to disseminate half truths and flat out lies about his legacy
Conservatives certainly are a dysfunctional family right now but they will find themselves again. Unfortunately once they do, it will be after liberals have taken us down a path of no return . Ronald Reagan was a fiscal conservative but did not have the luxury as did Ike of not having to rebuild a depleted military. He also had to work with Democrats to get anything done. You keep bringing this up and I keep having to state the facts about Reagan . It is obvious that you don't want factual info about his presidency, but rather to disseminate half truths and flat out lies about his legacy
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A fiscal conservative does not request budgets that double the national debt. Reagan did and got what he asked for and we're still paying for his tax-cut-and-spend policies thirty five years later, that is the true "path of no return" that us Democrats have been working tirelessly to get off of with no help from stubborn and blind Republicans. Alternatively, you believe the myth and lies propagated by the far right to deify Reagan, and you're free to believe whatever you like, but don't try to insist that it's reality, Reagan's legacy is all too apparent in the current tax code.
Bitch, it's pronounced MAK-in-aw.
I don't believe filtered lies bub. I lived and experienced the prosperity of Reagan's term. So how much of Reagan's debt are we still paying for? 2 trillion? 5 trillion? Pales in comparison to what we are spending now. And which our great great grandchildren will be left to deal with. What does Obama have to show for all his spending? We have an anemic economy, the poorest job growth by a two term president since the Great Depression. Reagan was a social and fiscal conservative. There was not one piece of legislation that he signed that didn't have to meet a democrat majority approval.
27 years after he left office you are still blaming him, meanwhile there has been 2 two term democrat presidents since then. One who enjoyed the fruits of a dot.com bubble, and a speaker with the nads to stand up to him, another who has spent almost 10 trillion all by his lonesome. Reagan never requested anything that wasn't dictated by the fact that to get a part of what you want, you have to make deals. Reagan's policies brought the end of the Soviet Union, because he realized that to oppose tyranny we had to be strong. Constitutionally speaking, Reagan was on the right side of history because the only thing mandated is the defense of this country. Democrat policies always entail more spending to undo their social engineering bullshit.
There have been 4 elected republican presidents during my lifetime and only one was a conservative. I'll be damned if I will stand by and watch liberals like you twist his legacy into something that it was not. Did he make his share of mistakes? A few, but still he was the greatest president of my lifetime and top 5 of all presidents.
27 years after he left office you are still blaming him, meanwhile there has been 2 two term democrat presidents since then. One who enjoyed the fruits of a dot.com bubble, and a speaker with the nads to stand up to him, another who has spent almost 10 trillion all by his lonesome. Reagan never requested anything that wasn't dictated by the fact that to get a part of what you want, you have to make deals. Reagan's policies brought the end of the Soviet Union, because he realized that to oppose tyranny we had to be strong. Constitutionally speaking, Reagan was on the right side of history because the only thing mandated is the defense of this country. Democrat policies always entail more spending to undo their social engineering bullshit.
There have been 4 elected republican presidents during my lifetime and only one was a conservative. I'll be damned if I will stand by and watch liberals like you twist his legacy into something that it was not. Did he make his share of mistakes? A few, but still he was the greatest president of my lifetime and top 5 of all presidents.
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"Reaganomics" have been U.S. fiscal policy since 1980. I'm not blaming Reagan personally for the current National Debt, rather the influence of the economic policies he championed as still reflected in the tax code and that is undeniable. Couple that with ill-advised trade agreements, shipping jobs overseas, and putting profit first what you end up with is our current economy. We just recently had a similar discussion and regardless of how many times you try to revise history the facts will linger, Reaganomics is a failure and Reagan was no conservative.
I think history has been and will be kind to Reaganomics especially when the final tally and bill is presented for Obamanomics.
What Reagan espoused was conservatism, what he was able to implement due to obstructionist democrats was a watered down version.
But I'll play along. There are a couple of conservatives running now. Let's give them a shot since you know, it has never been tried.
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Reaganomics, the progenitor of nearly $20 trillion in national debt and climbing, there's no way to view it other than as an abject failure. Any "conservative" currently running is only conservative on social issues, a losing proposition, and there's nary a true fiscal conservative anywhere to be found, merely the same old failed ideas; cut taxes, cut regulations, cut social services, etc., it doesn't work, but keep hammering away at the same policies that benefit the top, only the blind followers still believe.
Roosevelt liberalism is the progenitor of failed liberal programs that have resulted in throwing good money after bad which is the real reason that government has grown like a cancer and why we are suffocating in debt.
The war on poverty and Great Society may as well be interchanged as euphemisms for abject failure.
The war on poverty and Great Society may as well be interchanged as euphemisms for abject failure.
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It wasn't until 1980 that national debt started to sky rocket, which happens to correlate with Reagan's failed economics experiment and that really torpedoes your claims about "Roosevelt liberalism". Instead of focusing on making the rich even richer in 1980, it was a perfect time to expand social security and medicare, invest in infrastructure, and promote American industry at home. Instead we got sky rocketing national debt, huge deficits, the beginning of seeing American jobs shipped to lower wage overseas labor pools, and a growing income gap, all of which have gotten worse over the last three decades. Seriously, at what point are you going to realize everything you've been fed by the GOP has been predicated on lies?
This coming from someone that supports Obamacare wholeheartedly. .
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All reports I've seen in the last six months or so have said Obamacare is working, but regardless, your assertion that I "wholeheartedly support" Obamacare isn't accurate. It's been my consistent position that Obamacare is probably the worst way healthcare reform could have happened, I support a universal single payer system, not this windfall bestowed upon the health insurance industry.
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