HIV A Lie and a Farse? House Of Numbers

[shayd]

I thought this sounded crazy too.

We all know there are people who die of Aids which is a syndrome. But does HIV cause Aids or is it a combination of stress from diagnosis and toxic overload of drugs in the body? The drug AZT is a DNA destroyer and kills. HIV could be one of thousands of retroviruses that our body has immunity to and just sits in our bodies. It could be the treatments that cause aids and are killing people.

You have to see the documentary to understand. Everyone involved who first discovered it is in the film interviewed.

I'll make it simple for you:

Every one of those people in that documentary are idiots. The "scientist" in there should be hit with a bus. It's not difficult to understand, you've got 5-10 people in this documentary who claim that HIV and AIDS are a scam, then you've got the millions of scientists who have put out well defended, articulate, research articles that have the backing of science.

I mean, come on man, this is how we got to believing the world was flat for 5000 years.

 

[GregCentauro]

Some people in South Africa (including former President Mbeki) think that unprotected sex with a virgin can cure HIV.

I'll have to try that. Several times, if necessary.

 

[WTC7WasPulled]

I'll make it simple for you:

Every one of those people in that documentary are idiots. The "scientist" in there should be hit with a bus. It's not difficult to understand, you've got 5-10 people in this documentary who claim that HIV and AIDS are a scam, then you've got the millions of scientists who have put out well defended, articulate, research articles that have the backing of science.

I mean, come on man, this is how we got to believing the world was flat for 5000 years.

Dude I can tell you never watched it. He interviews more mainline people than people that believe HIV is hype.

This documentary won documentary of year awards for 2009. It's not some joke of a film. Watch it! Then comment.

 

[BlueBalls]

Watch it! Then comment.

When 18 of the scientists involved denounce the film as denialist propaganda, saying it "perpetuates pseudoscience and myths" and that they were misquoted in order to lend credence to such myths, let alone the mountain of scientific research and evidence available that proves this movies assertions otherwise, why would anyone in their right mind watch a film that makes claims that it cannot back up?

Are there any peer-reviewed published scientific papers that back up this movies particular claim? Any at all?

 

[WTC7WasPulled]

When 18 of the scientists involved denounce the film as denialist propaganda, saying it "perpetuates pseudoscience and myths" and that they were misquoted in order to lend credence to such myths, let alone the mountain of scientific research and evidence available that proves this movies assertions otherwise, why would anyone in their right mind watch a film that makes claims that it cannot back up?

Are there any peer-reviewed published scientific papers that back up this movies particular claim? Any at all?

They would say that wouldn't they?

If you actually watched the documentary their interviews are not edited or taken out of context.

 

[Ike Stain]

Damn. For a minute I though unprotected anal sex with junky-hookers was back on.

 

[Shifty]

Here's a stupid question:

What about all the people that have died of AIDS? :dunno:

 

[pete rose]

It exists.

 

[BlueBalls]

They would say that wouldn't they?

If you actually watched the documentary their interviews are not edited or taken out of context.

Oh, of course yes that's exactly it, I mean it's not like any documentary film maker has ever miss led their subject before or taken their statements out of context in order to push a specific agenda. No... that never happens. It's another conspiracy the scientists must have been gotten to by the Illuminati and told to shut up, or some such nonsense.

Why would they change their tune anyway? Surely if these 18 scientists believed there were issues with the current understanding of how HIV/AIDS are studied they would stick to their guns and come out arm in arm in support of this documentary. But no, they didn't, they called out this film maker for what he is, a propagandist.

I'm sorry but I'm far more likely to take the word of experts who have spent years researching this than a bunch of no nothings who spend their time congregating on the internet spreading their quite frankly shameful paranoia.

 

[pete rose]

I swear, he's Dale Gribble.

 

[WTC7WasPulled]

Here's a stupid question:

What about all the people that have died of AIDS? :dunno:

Ok it's like this. The HIV testing procedures are such a joke that you could be positive one day and negative another but if you've been diagnosed HIV positive, it doesn't matter how healthy you are they will always consider you HIV positive. Now the diagnosis scares the living fuck out of people because of what the medical establishment tells them.

The stress of that combined with an already toxic body from activities like drug use and anal sex (as in the gay community) puts the body at a reduced state of immunity. Then they immediately order you onto a toxic cocktail of killer drugs like AZT. Initially the t cell count goes up, but that's only because your body is in panic mode! Trying to fight off the bombardment of poisons from the cocktail. Then the t cell count goes down while on the toxic cocktail.

Before long they are bedridden and dead. Those smart enough to quit the drugs and detox and eat healthy organic food and get plenty of sunshine and clean water, reverse this process and stay alive. These are the ones they hate. Because they'll live 20 years with HIV and be in perfect health. Kind of screws up their little deal selling these drugs.

 

[shayd]

Dude I can tell you never watched it. He interviews more mainline people than people that believe HIV is hype.

This documentary won documentary of year awards for 2009. It's not some joke of a film. Watch it! Then comment.

Jesus Christ, you're extrapolating the opinion of a minority against the empirically backed majority? Are you fucking serious? For the record, no I haven't seen it, but my wife (who just happens to be a doctor) was on a panel at UCLA last year discussing it, and just how idiotic it is to take this documentary with any degree of validity.

Sunshine? Getting plenty of water? As a cure for HIV/AIDS? I think I know of a book you'd like:

The Secret

The secret? Think positively.

 

[pete rose]

Ok it's like this. The HIV testing procedures are such a joke that you could be positive one day and negative another but if you've been diagnosed HIV positive, it doesn't matter how healthy you are they will always consider you HIV positive. Now the diagnosis scares the living fuck out of people because of what the medical establishment tells them.

The stress of that combined with an already toxic body from activities like drug use and anal sex (as in the gay community) puts the body at a reduced state of immunity. Then they immediately order you onto a toxic cocktail of killer drugs like AZT. Initially the t cell count goes up, but that's only because your body is in panic mode! Trying to fight off the bombardment of poisons from the cocktail. Then the t cell count goes down while on the toxic cocktail.

Before long they are bedridden and dead. Those smart enough to quit the drugs and detox and eat healthy organic food and get plenty of sunshine and clean water, reverse this process and stay alive. These are the ones they hate. Because they'll live 20 years with HIV and be in perfect health. Kind of screws up their little deal selling these drugs.

Look at how ill-informed you are.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Look at how ill-informed you are.

No kidding.

 

[WTC7WasPulled]

Look at how ill-informed you are.

That's not me that's saying that, that is guys like Dr. Peter Deusberg one of the original research scientists who worked on Aids back in the 70's and 80's.

 

[shayd]

That's not me that's saying that, that is guys like Dr. Peter Deusberg one of the original research scientists who worked on Aids back in the 70's and 80's.

There's a reason the bulk of his work was done during that time frame, especially when he was one of the early scientists to "confirm" that AIDS could be transmitted simply through breathing the same air as an infected person.

 

[WTC7WasPulled]

There's a reason the bulk of his work was done during that time frame, especially when he was one of the early scientists to "confirm" that AIDS could be transmitted simply through breathing the same air as an infected person.

Really when did he say that? Also what about all the rest of the researchers who agree with Deusberg?

 

[copeo]

This is my opinion on this thread:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

If there really is a person, who thinks, that AIDS is not real... please just leave the board.

I know that I also just have fed the Troll... ;-)

 

[WTC7WasPulled]

This is my opinion on this thread:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

If there really is a person, who thinks, that AIDS is not real... please just leave the board.

I know that I also just have fed the Troll... ;-)

I don't know who said AIDS wasn't real. I said HIV has never been isolated and the tests for it are a sham. Aids is real and is caused by the cocktail of deadly drugs given.

 

[PirateKing]

Jesus Christ, you're extrapolating the opinion of a minority against the empirically backed majority? Are you fucking serious? For the record, no I haven't seen it, but my wife (who just happens to be a doctor) was on a panel at UCLA last year discussing it, and just how idiotic it is to take this documentary with any degree of validity.

Sunshine? Getting plenty of water? As a cure for HIV/AIDS? I think I know of a book you'd like:

The Secret

The secret? Think positively.

Not just positively, HIV-positively.