Henry Rollins On Evolution...

[Will E Worm]

Catholics don't believe in Christ?

This is probably the dumbest thing you've ever said.

Actually, sadly, it probably isn't.

Read TwatDetective's comment. Catholics are idol worshipers and the Pope calls himself the "vicar" of Christ which means substitute.
No one is the substitute for Christ. Especially the Pope.

Who are "they"? Where can I find this piece of information?

Who is this "Dean Wormer?" You can look it up.

It makes much more sense that some imaginary being with superpowers created by people in dark and uncertain times to give themselves some hope created the earth :1orglaugh

Yes, the universe created itself out of nothing all by itself.

If nothing was here before, then where did the material for the "big bang" come from? I think you need a man. :hatsoff:

I'm not positive, but I think it's because:

-Alot of protestant Christians see the Pope, saints, and Mary as too important in Catholicism and a form of idolatry.

-They think the Bible is the final word of God and not a man (the pope.)

-Catholics think being good and getting baptized are necessary to going to heaven, which is not at all compatible with the view that asking God to forgive your sins is enough and being good and getting baptized are only to please the lord and show the world your love for him.

The catholic church's focus seems to be on the catholic church and not Christ.

The Pope has lifted himself above Christ and calls himself the vicar.
Also, all the idol worship, especially of Mary.
They are a cult.

 

[mrtrebus]

Yes, the universe created itself out of nothing all by itself.

Well that's something we are still trying to understand. But its a BIG leap to suppose that some intelligent lifeform created the universe. Where did he/she come from?

 

[Friday on my mind]

First its questioning /denying whether we landed on the moon threads now whether or not evolution or creationism is true.

Yep we faked the moon landings and god did it!!!:bowdown:

 

[Wainkerr99]

Well that's something we are still trying to understand. But its a BIG leap to suppose that some intelligent lifeform created the universe. Where did he/she come from?

Mysterybus, your posts are amazing. Scathing, pithy, cutting. A mind of great insight, perhaps?

Truths of those who are so easily mocked are those many ardently believed in, were for persecuted and who died for, sometimes in the most terrible ways possible.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Accept this or not.

If energy can be neither created now destroyed, then where, pray tell, does it come from? It isn't just material that suddenly appeared. Energy appeared along with it.

Funny how everyone is an expert when it comes to pointing a finger. Like, how can a christian be on a porn forum. Oooo, look, a christian is on a porn forum. He must be evil. Therefore God does not exist.

Actually by even saying that people are saying porn IS evil. But that is a focus for another time.

If energy cannot be created, it must have always existed. That is to say it existed prior to there being matter, because matter was either created, or, if you are going to deny the existence of God for whatever reason, then matter just suddenly appeared. It is one thing to say matter just came about with a bang, but another to say energy appeared or was created. Or, was it?

Once again, it is logical to assume that an intelligent Being would have begun an evolutionary cycle. I keep saying this over and over and each time the same people keep saying that God doesn't exist because christians don't believe in evolution, or some such bunkum.

 

[mrtrebus]

Mysterybus, your posts are amazing. Scathing, pithy, cutting. A mind of great insight, perhaps?

Correct!! :hatsoff:

Once again, it is logical to assume that an intelligent Being would have begun an evolutionary cycle. I keep saying this over and over and each time the same people keep saying that God doesn't exist because christians don't believe in evolution, or some such bunkum.

I would not think it logical to surmise that a supernatural being was responsible for an evolutionary cycle which is scientific in nature?

Having said that I know many christians who do believe in evolution. They are fine as they see religion as a personal thing, not something to ram down others throats, condemn others for not believing in, or use as an excuse for bigoted points of view.

 

[Boothbabe]

If nothing was here before, then where did the material for the "big bang" come from? I think you need a man. :hatsoff:

C'mon Will E, at least put some effort into it. Is that really the best you can do?

 

[Boothbabe]

And I know what you're going to say because I've heard religious people say it many times before, god has always been here since the beginning of time. The one thing you're conveniently forgetting is that something that was never created cannot exist. And that's the beauty (or stupidity) of religion isn't it, you can say whatever you want and claim it to be true because there's no way to prove or disprove it. But you know what Will E, if you need some imaginary being with superpowers to help you cope with everyday life because you're not strong enough to do it on your own, that's alright. Afterall, the world needs weakminded people like you to help remind the rest of us we're stronger than you

 

[Baill Inneraora]

All the "dating" systems have been proven inaccurate and need to stop being used. They tried carbon dating on a live snail and it registered as millions of years old. Evolutionist= fail. :tongue:

Nice story Will E. That statement shoes a complete misunderstanding on how carbon dating works. How can you try to date something that is "alive" with carbon dating? Do you even now what carbon is?

Also, Catholicism= Catholic, not Christianity.

Catholicism is the original Christianity. It’s like saying Coca Cola isn't soda pop because now there is Pepsi.

Also, I have met and talked to Rollins a few times in the last 25ish years. He is a great guy.

 

[Icewater Jones]

And I know what you're going to say because I've heard religious people say it many times before, god has always been here since the beginning of time. The one thing you're conveniently forgetting is that something that was never created cannot exist. And that's the beauty (or stupidity) of religion isn't it, you can say whatever you want and claim it to be true because there's no way to prove or disprove it. But you know what Will E, if you need some imaginary being with superpowers to help you cope with everyday life because you're not strong enough to do it on your own, that's alright. Afterall, the world needs weakminded people like you to help remind the rest of us we're stronger than you

I am by no means an evolutionary expert, so correct me if I am mistaken, but if something cannot exist without being created, are you not proving Will E Worm'spoint? If you believe the big bang existed, then it must have been created. If so, by who or what? If by who: You giving in on the existence on a higher power. If by what: How was the what created to then have existed?

And also, why are evolutionists so angry? They are always on this 'I'm mentally stronger than you' tip. Those that are really stronger mentally don't really have to tell you so. In fact, it is a very gradeschool tactic from people who talk so advanced. Scathing remarks and sarcasm don't really make you more intellegent.

Folks like Henry Rollins and others like him yell and scream because they are just too far away.

 

[Boothbabe]

I am by no means an evolutionary expert, so correct me if I am mistaken, but if something cannot exist without being created, are you not proving Will E Worm'spoint?

Not exactly. Will E will tell you that something can exist without being created. He will tell you that his god has always been there before time or anything else.

And Will E has proven he's weakminded when he made the comment that I need a man

 

[Friday on my mind]

Just because there are things about the universe man does not and may never know is not evidence there is a god.Why can't we just be ok with saying some things we don't know(though we know way more than we did not all that long ago) and let it go at that.No we had to invent religion/god which gives us the answer to all questions whether those answers stand up to any logical scrutiny or not (which they don't).

 

[mrtrebus]

I am by no means an evolutionary expert, so correct me if I am mistaken, but if something cannot exist without being created, are you not proving Will E Worm'spoint? If you believe the big bang existed, then it must have been created. If so, by who or what? If by who: You giving in on the existence on a higher power. If by what: How was the what created to then have existed?

And also, why are evolutionists so angry? They are always on this 'I'm mentally stronger than you' tip. Those that are really stronger mentally don't really have to tell you so. In fact, it is a very gradeschool tactic from people who talk so advanced. Scathing remarks and sarcasm don't really make you more intellegent.

Folks like Henry Rollins and others like him yell and scream because they are just too far away.

The idea that the Big Bang must have been created as a reason for the existence of God holds no water, because this same logic is not applied to God itself by believers. God must also have been created surely?

I tend to agree with you on the 2nd point. I'm an atheist but have pretty much a live & let live attitude to those that are religious. But the problem is the most vocal religious people are those who are the most fundamental & judgemental, no wonder us non-believers get angry when we are faced with people telling everyone what is right or wrong with some sense of infallibility.
As Socrates said, "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing".

Oh & Henry Rollins is a twat! But he has a point, Intelligent Design is nonsense!

 

[Will E Worm]

Truths of those who are so easily mocked are those many ardently believed in, were for persecuted and who died for, sometimes in the most terrible ways possible.

Who would die for the theory of evolution?

If energy cannot be created, it must have always existed. That is to say it existed prior to there being matter, because matter was either created, or, if you are going to deny the existence of God for whatever reason, then matter just suddenly appeared. It is one thing to say matter just came about with a bang, but another to say energy appeared or was created. Or, was it?

Energy was and is the creation of God.

But, if evolutionist believe something can come from nothing the must have faith in that. Evolution is a religion of its own, just like environmentalism.
Misguided faiths, but, that's what they are.

Once again, it is logical to assume that an intelligent Being would have begun an evolutionary cycle. I keep saying this over and over and each time the same people keep saying that God doesn't exist because christians don't believe in evolution, or some such bunkum.

You were doing well until you said that. God created everything, He didn't start evolution. That sounds like Billy Graham, another liar.

C'mon Will E, at least put some effort into it. Is that really the best you can do?

And Will E has proven he's weakminded when he made the comment that I need a man

Okay, then. You do need a man. You know it everyone here knows it.

Also, wasn't it you a couple of months ago couldn't take what some people were saying on the net about you, on this board?
I'm weak-minded? Could you spell the word correctly next time?

Catholicism is the original Christianity. It’s like saying Coca Cola isn't soda pop because now there is Pepsi.

Think again. They were never Christians. They are Catholics, they follow Catholicism. They "preach" another gospel, they forbid people to marry, they forbid meats, they are idol worshippers.
We were warned about people like that.

Just like the "Jews" which call themselves Jews and are not.
Beware the concision.

God must also have been created surely?

But the problem is the most vocal religious people are those who are the most fundamental & judgemental, no wonder us non-believers get angry when we are faced with people telling everyone what is right or wrong with some sense of infallibility.

Nope, God wasn't created.

Christians are told to mark them which cause division and to exposes false teachers and liars. So, people calling Christians "judgmental" are incorrect.

Oh & Henry Rollins is a twat! But he has a point, Intelligent Design is nonsense!

I agree, Rollins is an egomaniac and there isn't anything called "Intelligent design." It's creation, not anything else.

Intelligent design can be attributed to anything or anyone. What if the "intelligent" designers were aliens?

It's called creation and there aren't any aliens.

 

[Icewater Jones]

Okay, so somebody fill me in... So do evolutionists not believe in God at all? Is there not a possibility that God initiated evolution? Why do people call it 'intellegent design'? Why not 'imaginative design'? Is the idea of God's existence just simply way too damn simple for people to accept?

In my own uneducated opinion, I think it's kinda funny that evolutionists constantly come up with equations, experiments, and scientific excursions to try to disprove God's existence. Meanwhile, religious folk believe God's existence is proven through mans ability to come up with equations, experiments, and scientific excursions.

 

[mrtrebus]

Christians are told to mark them which cause division and to exposes false teachers and liars.

Mark yerself than!!:wave:

 

[bustybbwlover]

scientists don't try to prove or disprove god's existence because god falls under the categories of falsifiability and positivism. falsifiability in that it's impossible to observe god and thus impossible to empirically evaluate god and disprove god's existence. positivism in that claiming there is a god is ********* in that god's presence may neither be verified or falsified. belief in god is based upon faith, science has nothing to say about god because god may not be verified, tested, or disproven. however, often what happens is that scientific claims or discoveries offend religious sensibilities, thus causing religious people to take offense and claim science is attacking god.

 

[Icewater Jones]

scientists don't try to prove or disprove god's existence because god falls under the categories of falsifiability and positivism. falsifiability in that it's impossible to observe god and thus impossible to empirically evaluate god. positivism in that claiming there is a god is ********* in that god's presence may neither be verified or falsified. belief in god is based upon faith, science has nothing to say about god because god may not be verified, tested, or disproven. however, often what happens is that scientific claims or discoveries offend religious sensibilities, thus causing religious people to take offense and claim science is attacking god.

So basically, anything that man can't get his hands on doesn't exist??? So if it can't be tested, it's automatically false??? Correct me if I'm wrong, but faith in God can be tested and observed, so given the previous theory God exists... at least within the subject tested, right?

By the way: Anyone that truly believes is creation never thinks science attacks God, however it seems by evolutionist attitude, that they think God attacks science. Whether you believe or not, the idea of what God is to evolutionists never changes, thus man's ever changing scientific discoveries could never be looked at as consistent.

 

[Will E Worm]

Mark yerself than!!:wave:

Funny how everyone is an expert when it comes to pointing a finger. Like, how can a christian be on a porn forum. Oooo, look, a christian is on a porn forum. He must be evil. Therefore God does not exist.

Actually by even saying that people are saying porn IS evil. But that is a focus for another time.

:hatsoff: I found this site because of a news article.
Recently I've mostly been on the talk, picture, and game forums.
I had left my church, but I'm looking for a new one or a home Bible study.

So, I probably won't be on here much longer.
Who knows...:angels:

 

[bustybbwlover]

no falsifiability doesn't mean it doesn't exist it just means science has no claim or ability to test upon it. several scientific claims fall under this category including m theory for example. however, at some point, given properly developed technology, scientific theory may be tested. also i don't think scientists think god attacks science, they have plenty of examples of religious people and institutions attacking science.

 

[Boothbabe]

Energy was and is the creation of God.
But, if evolutionist believe something can come from nothing the must have faith in that.

Scientists have never claimed to know for sure how it all started. The only thing scientists say is that they have gathered results from scientific studies wich point towards a certain theory. Nobody can ever know how it all started and some people don't have a problem with that. You on the other hand need something more to make sense of it all and are saying that

God created everything

Like it's an absolute thruth. If it's an absolute truth surely you must be able to prove it....but you can't. And that's the only thing religion has going for it. You can say whatever you want because nobody can ever prove or disprove it

Okay, then. You do need a man. You know it everyone here knows it.

What an amazing comeback. You sure taught me a lesson :1orglaugh

Also, wasn't it you a couple of months ago couldn't take what some people were saying on the net about you, on this board?

I remember. I had a very bad day wich is why I reacted the way I did. It happens to the best of us.

I'm weak-minded? Could you spell the word correctly next time?

English itsn't mai naijtif languash so from taim to taim Ai'm going to maik some slepping misteaks

Nope, God wasn't created.

If god wasn't created god can't exist.