Have you Kissed Before?

[Member2019]

Best statement yet ...

keeping her is a different story though.

This is the best statement yet!

How he acts right here, lack of information, depressing nature, won't let anyone into his life, yet he wants to ramble on about how we don't understand ... it's exactly why he won't keep them long when he does.

How you act with friends is how you act with longer-term lovers. Think about it.

 

[Member2019]

No, it means that I'm a person who doesn't caught up in pretentious bullshit of questionable moral superiority.

Huh? I don't think many people on this board will either.

Appearance matters, period.

Then it matters to you I guess? Are you then dismissing so many females from consideration that you will only go for a select number? And then those women won't give you the time of day?

If so, then that is your problem.
If not, please explain what the problem is?!

There are some people who pretend that it doesn't matter, and a few people sincerely don't care, but for most of the population it matters. It's not about being "shallow," it's about being "human." It's biology. Also, desiring a partner who is physically attractive is not mutually exclusive with desiring a partner who has a nice personality compatible with your own.

But what about men who limit their selection of women? And then they wonder why they can't "get them"?

In reality, it has far less to do with physical attractiveness than with, possibly presumed, popularity. The women I've been with are unbelievably attractive to me, and maybe another 10-20% of the population. The women I consider "plain" are probably attractive to 25-50% of the population, or "presumed attractive" because of the media and society.

If you only go after the latter, hell yes, you are just but one fish in the sea. But if you like women who are under-appreciated, you can really pick up some damn, fucking-fine lookers and you don't even have to be as remotely attractive as them! And there is nothing finer than a lesser-appreciated beauty in bed -- they are always thinking of you instead of themselves.

 

[toast_king]

Re: Best statement yet ...

This is the best statement yet!

How he acts right here, lack of information, depressing nature, won't let anyone into his life, yet he wants to ramble on about how we don't understand ... it's exactly why he won't keep them long when he does.

How you act with friends is how you act with longer-term lovers. Think about it.

You don't know shit about me, so just stop pretending like you, Dr. Phil. And what "lack of information" or "depressing nature" do I have? I'd love to hear this.

 

[toast_king]

Huh? I don't think many people on this board will either.

"Appearance doesn't matter, I like inner beauty" is often a case of moral superiority.

Then it matters to you I guess? Are you then dismissing so many females from consideration that you will only go for a select number? And then those women won't give you the time of day?

Of course I would dismiss women who I don't find attractive.

If so, then that is your problem.

I see you're suffering from the aforementioned moral superiority complex.

If not, please explain what the problem is?!

The problem(s) cannot be condensed into a few sentences, I would have to write a stupidly long essay, and I'm really not interested in doing so.

But what about men who limit their selection of women? And then they wonder why they can't "get them"?

Everyone limits their selection in one way or another.

In reality, it has far less to do with physical attractiveness than with, possibly presumed, popularity. The women I've been with are unbelievably attractive to me, and maybe another 10-20% of the population. The women I consider "plain" are probably attractive to 25-50% of the population, or "presumed attractive" because of the media and society.

If you only go after the latter, hell yes, you are just but one fish in the sea. But if you like women who are under-appreciated, you can really pick up some damn, fucking-fine lookers and you don't even have to be as remotely attractive as them! And there is nothing finer than a lesser-appreciated beauty in bed -- they are always thinking of you instead of themselves.

Huh? I'm not talking about popularity, it has nothing to do with this.

 

[Member2019]

Who said anything about overbearing importance? You did.

Until you stop playing games and giving more details, we have no idea what you're thinking or saying!

 

[Member2019]

"Appearance doesn't matter, I like inner beauty" is often a case of moral superiority.

And I have never said such.

Of course I would dismiss women who I don't find attractive.

But how much of the populous are you? And are you aiming for only popular beauty? If so, that's your problem right there!

I see you're suffering from the aforementioned moral superiority complex.

Huh? Are you even reading what I'm saying? I'm not saying don't go for what you don't like. I'm saying that You Might be disregarding a number of women you do like! Dude, I've seen that way too much with too many men.

The problem(s) cannot be condensed into a few sentences, I would have to write a stupidly long essay, and I'm really not interested in doing so.

Alright, this is 100% bullshit.

First off, you are "trolling" this board as you are answering immediately after people post over the last 18 hours or so. That shows me right there you have the time!

Secondly, you started soliciting commentary and answering people. So at some point, instead of playing games with your "friends" here (and do think of us as "friends"), you need to "open up to your friends."

Which is why I was dead serious that if you were my "friend in-person," I'd have you kissed (and possibly fucked) before you knew it. I've been doing that for over a decade for many of my friends.

Everyone limits their selection in one way or another.

Yes. But if you limit your selection to only popular beauty, then that's your problem right there! And when I say "your problem" I do not mean "you're wrong." I mean, "yes, you are correct," you're going to have a tough time getting anyone to kiss you if you keep going after only popular beauty.

Huh? I'm not talking about popularity, it has nothing to do with this.

Then I honestly can't believe you. If you the often beautiful, lesser appreciated woman, there is no reason you couldn't have at least one of them, even if briefly.

Your "limitations" are self-inflicted. That's not to insult you, to be a "militant extrovert" or otherwise give you bad feelings about yourself. That's to wake you up to the fact that you keep pointing to Hollywood as the problem and how everyone is (and really isn't), while the rest of us completely ignore it altogether!

 

[toast_king]

Until you stop playing games and giving more details, we have no idea what you're thinking or saying!

Why does it bother you so much that I haven't revealed all the details of my personal problems regarding relationships, dating and so forth? Do you want to hear them so you can argue againts them?

 

[Member2019]

Yes, I don't know you. But I do know you on this board!

You don't know shit about me,

You're right, I don't know you in-persn.

so just stop pretending like you, Dr. Phil. And what "lack of information" or "depressing nature" do I have? I'd love to hear this.

But I am not pretending! I only have the way you act on this board to draw on.

With that said, let's summarize ...

1. According to you, you can't get a girl to kiss you, and made repeated references to Hollywood
2. You have argued this fact with almost everyone in this thread
3. You have repeatedly responded what you allegedly are not like, but have not bothered to detail your life and the why's you haven't kissed, etc...
4. You have seemingly trolled this thread for the past 18 hours, answering almost immediately (even I took half the day off to sleep )
5. You more recently claimed you don't have the time to share your situation in a post

Furthermore ...

A. After Fox's post in another thread on pornesque fantasy, you sarcastically said "you're my hero :lame: "
B. I've noted similar attitudes that, when put together, show more selfish envy than anything, and not just someone "joking around"
C. I really, really, really want to see you get past this, as a "friend," because it's clear you do "have a problem" until you do (especialy with others who only want to help)

So yes, I don't know you in-person. But I do know how you act on this board!

 

[toast_king]

Alright, this is 100% bullshit.

First off, you are "trolling" this board as you are answering immediately after people post over the last 18 hours or so. That shows me right there you have the time!

Yeah, I have a lot of free time and I reply fast, but the word I used was "interested," which indicates that, even though I do have time, I'm simply not interested in writing such an essay.

Secondly, you started soliciting commentary and answering people. So at some point, instead of playing games with your "friends" here (and do think of us as "friends"), you need to "open up to your friends."

I'm not playing any games. I just replied to the thread's question and then people started offering their advice even as I tried to explain that such an effort is wasted.

Which is why I was dead serious that if you were my "friend in-person," I'd have you kissed (and possibly fucked) before you knew it. I've been doing that for over a decade for many of my friends.

I'm sure you've done that, but it would not work with me.

Then I honestly can't believe you. If you the often beautiful, lesser appreciated woman, there is no reason you couldn't have at least one of them, even if briefly.

There are lots of reasons.

Your "limitations" are self-inflicted. That's not to insult you, to be a "militant extrovert" or otherwise give you bad feelings about yourself. That's to wake you up to the fact that you keep pointing to Hollywood as the problem and how everyone is (and really isn't), while the rest of us completely ignore it altogether!

People seem to think that somehow everyone is destined to find their soulmate and live happily ever after, or something. I blame Hollywood.

 

[toast_king]

Re: Yes, I don't know you. But I do know you on this board!

A. After Fox's post in another thread on pornesque fantasy, you sarcastically said "you're my hero :lame: "
B. I've noted similar attitudes that, when put together, show more selfish envy than anything, and not just someone "joking around"

Like I said in that thread, I think cheating is kind of retarded. It's not envy and it's not a joke.

 

[Member2019]

My last commentary on this ...

I've replied enough. If you don't see the obviousness of the truth I'm pointing out, then you never will. I hope you learn to reserve judgement of others, because you are throwing so many stones as a glass house that it's really going to hurt you on this board, and in life.

Yeah, I have a lot of free time and I reply fast, but the word I used was "interested," which indicates that, even though I do have time, I'm simply not interested in writing such an essay.

Add up all your replies, you have the time and interest. The only reason you really don't have "interest" is because you don't like to face who you are. Ironically, you're "comfortable" in the "discomfort" of not being kissed.

People seem to think that somehow everyone is destined to find their soulmate and live happily ever after, or something. I blame Hollywood.

Hardly! In fact, you keep seeing/saying that when many of us are replying and saying nothing of the sort! In fact, I can only assume someone else is beating that into you in-person (mom? Moms tend to do that).

I said, and several people said, have pointed out that being with someone is easy, keeping them is far more difficult! There are plenty of women out there, many far from your "soulmate", to enjoy, kiss, make love to, possibly love, even if only briefly.

You're the one that keeps looking at everyone else as if we are living, lying about living or falsely stating the world is Hollywood-style. You seem to be so stuck on "happily ever after" and its all you see, regardless of what we say.

Then you turn around and talk about morality, all while lambasting people on this board for allegedly cheating on their lovers. Judgement and envy is the worst combination with naivity and ignorance.

Like I said in that thread, I think cheating is kind of retarded. It's not envy and it's not a joke.

The fact that you can't stop and respect people who have open relationships is very much a case of envy, even if indirectly.

I don't have an open relationship. I've been completely dedicated to one woman for 13 years, the last 10 married. And I don't even remotely think about cheating, and have gotten myself out of some situations -- because of my love for my wife and wish to only make love to her.

Not because of some "moral fiber" or otherwise. But because I can only feel comfortable kissing or making love with her. For others who have open relationships where they and their partners are more mature and open with their love life, I hold praise for, not judgement.

Maybe you should learn to do the same?

Which is why I think you are probably the member in the greatest need of a blowjob on this board. I know you will take that as a joke at your expense, but I honestly mean it as a friend.

Peace dude, and lay off the other threads until then.

 

[toast_king]

Re: My last commentary on this ...

I've replied enough. If you don't see the obviousness of the truth I'm pointing out, then you never will. I hope you learn to reserve judgement of others, because you are throwing so many stones as a glass house that it's really going to hurt you on this board, and in life.

I honestly have no idea what this is even supposed to mean.

Add up all your replies, you have the time and interest. The only reason you really don't have "interest" is because you don't like to face who you are. Ironically, you're "comfortable" in the "discomfort" of not being kissed.

I know the reasons why I'm highly unlikely to ever have a GF. I've considered them carefully and extensively. It would simply take a lot of effort to write it all down, and I don't see why I should bother doing that in here.

Hardly! In fact, you keep seeing/saying that when many of us are replying and saying nothing of the sort! In fact, I can only assume someone else is beating that into you in-person (mom? Moms tend to do that).

I said, and several people said, have pointed out that being with someone is easy, keeping them is far more difficult! There are plenty of women out there, many far from your "soulmate", to enjoy, kiss, make love to, possibly love, even if only briefly.

You're the one that keeps looking at everyone else as if we are living, lying about living or falsely stating the world is Hollywood-style. You seem to be so stuck on "happily ever after" and its all you see, regardless of what we say.

Again, Hollywood is the only explanation I can offer for this "OF COURSE YOU WILL FIND SOMEONE LOL" bullshit.

Then you turn around and talk about morality, all while lambasting people on this board for allegedly cheating on their lovers.

Allegedly? He said it quite clearly. Why do you keep insisting that there's nothing wrong with cheating?

Judgement and envy is the worst combination with naivity and ignorance.

I'd love to hear how I'm being and naive, ignorant and envious.

The fact that you can't stop and respect people who have open relationships is very much a case of envy, even if indirectly.

What open relationships?

I don't have an open relationship. I've been completely dedicated to one woman for 13 years, the last 10 married. And I don't even remotely think about cheating, and have gotten myself out of some situations -- because of my love for my wife and wish to only make love to her.

Not because of some "moral fiber" or otherwise. But because I can only feel comfortable kissing or making love with her. For others who have open relationships where they and their partners are more mature and open with their love life, I hold praise for, not judgement.

Maybe you should learn to do the same?

I have no idea what the fuck you're rambling about this time.

 

[Member2019]

You just gave yourself your answer ...

Why do you keep insisting that there's nothing wrong with cheating?

Instead of judging (and insulting with sarcasm) people in threads, please state your views on cheating in such dedicated threads, like this one:
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?p=654684

Instead of using any thread, like a fantasy-gone-reality thread, to state your judgement.

I'd love to hear how I'm being and naive, ignorant and envious ...
[ referring back to the previous statements in the very same post ... ]
I honestly have no idea what this is even supposed to mean ...
I have no idea what the fuck you're rambling about this time.

And you have your answer, at least on "naivity and ignorance."

Peace.

 

[toast_king]

Re: You just gave yourself your answer ...

Instead of judging (and insulting with sarcasm) people in threads, please state your views on cheating in such dedicated threads, like this one:
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?p=654684

Instead of using any thread, like a fantasy-gone-reality thread, to state your judgement.

What fucking fantasy-gone-reality? He said he cheated on his girlfriend. That doesn't become acceptable just because he was entertaining some kind of fantasy. Also, You Might want to take your own advice about stating your views in dedicated threads as opposed to arbitrarily dragging arguments from one thread to another for no apparent reason.

And you have your answer, at least on "naivity and ignorance."

Quoting random posts out of context is not an answer. I'm guessing that you can't back up your statements.

 

[Roughneck]

Re: You just gave yourself your answer ...

What fucking fantasy-gone-reality? He said he cheated on his girlfriend. That doesn't become acceptable just because he was entertaining some kind of fantasy.

Do you know what an open realtionship is?

 

[toast_king]

Re: You just gave yourself your answer ...

Do you know what an open realtionship is?

Yes. What about it?

 

[4G63]

You lack confidence.

If you ask out 100 woman, one of them will say yes. Either your lazy, or you don't care.

I'M sick of men who whine about how hard it is for them to find someone. Your being melodramatic, it's not hard, your scared.

 

[toast_king]

You lack confidence.

If you ask out 100 woman, one of them will say yes. Either your lazy, or you don't care.

I'M sick of men who whine about how hard it is for them to find someone. Your being melodramatic, it's not hard, your scared.

I'm sick of people who keep pretending that they know exactly what my problems are.

 

[toast_king]

If you want to pass judgement on people for cheating, there are plenty of threads on this board where you can rant about half the poster's integrity, because it happens, and some of us, not all, have done it, and some of us have had it done to us. I don't make a habit of doing it these days, and I think, TK, you should keep your endless back and forths off these threads: Professor and Roughneck are great members, and I don't want to see them get in trouble for going back and forth with you.

1) What the fuck is with this "don't pass judgement" bullshit? I'd like someone to explain why people are not allowed to have opinions about morals and ethics. I guess moral relativism is popular here.

2) I never made a big deal out of cheating and I didn't "rant." In the other thread, I just indirectly and briefly stated that I don't like cheating, and then Voluptuary went on a massive temper tantrum about this thread, even though this thread has nothing to do with the pornoesque fantasy thread.

3) What "endless backs and forths" have I started, and why aren't Professor and Roughneck responsible for their own behavior? Am I their babysitter? Please explain.

One day you'll have girlfriends too, and you'll realize the real world is not as ideal as the ideal world.

Stop this bullshit already. I've already told you people that you are clueless about the subject. If you don't want "endless back and forths" then stop trolling me.

and some of us - like me, now - are able to be honest with the people in our lives about our overwhelming desire for others, and to share and sleep with others, and if it works for us, who are you to judge.

Open relationships are not the same thing as cheating and I've never judged open relationships or said anything about them.

And thanks to you guys who have on SEVERAL threads stuck up for me, I have no idea why this is even happening, but I truly thoroughly appreciate it Prof and Rough and iaf and anyone else who has: you are true and real friends. Prof you really went out of your way to clear my name. Thanks I think it bothers you more than me thankyou again.

How has your name been cleared? As far as I know, you were simply cheating on your girlfriend without her knowledge, and nobody has claimed otherwise (they've only made very vague references to open relationships but have failed to actually refute the notion that you cheated).

 

[dave_rhino]

"I'm a virgin" is the best pick-up line imaginable.

this is not at all true. i was a virgin up until 2 months ago or so, and before that when girls found out i was a virgin they would always think it was really sweet, and i might get a kiss/blowjob/whatever, but they would never sleep with me because they didnt want to "corrupt me"