ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I guess that's what you would call masdebation. Get it? Mas-DEBA...aaaaah, forget it.
Has McCain thrown in the towel on the race?
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I guess that's what you would call masdebation. Get it? Mas-DEBA...aaaaah, forget it.
icerfan
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Philbert
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You missed a lot of what's going on around you...your neighbor isn't the economy, just a small player in it.
McCain can bring the Republican Senators on board the bailout, he will get this moving by going back to DC; Obama is drawing a salary as a US Senator, what is he doing at this time of crisis? Not earning his taxpayer provided salary. Continuing a campaign at a time of crisis...I think that picture you posted with a walrus head should have been an ostritch.
With Biden misstating everywhere he goes, looking like the fool, and Obama not stepping up, this will push many in the direction of the take-charge guy...not a good move.
This is a crisis, not a contest...saying that over and over will not make it so.
World markets, panic notwithstanding, are spreading the crisis and only at the source...here...can the "wave of doom" be stopped. Perception is just as real as the actuality...confidence runs a financial system as much as actual capital.
You may view this as a cheerleader contest, but once again that doesn't make it so.
Obama had a good opportunity to step up and take charge, he decided to take the advice of his campaign and keep speechmaking.
I admire John McCain, and this action has shown me he has more leadership ability at the top level than I saw before.
A true leader has a vision of priority events, a campaign isn't the top priority when the country is in crisis.
Cynicism has it's place, but sound judgement needs a clear objectivity and your cynical view of the crisis is the real joke. It's easy to be "cynical", but easy doesn't get to the heart of the matter.
McCain can bring the Republican Senators on board the bailout, he will get this moving by going back to DC; Obama is drawing a salary as a US Senator, what is he doing at this time of crisis? Not earning his taxpayer provided salary. Continuing a campaign at a time of crisis...I think that picture you posted with a walrus head should have been an ostritch.
With Biden misstating everywhere he goes, looking like the fool, and Obama not stepping up, this will push many in the direction of the take-charge guy...not a good move.
This is a crisis, not a contest...saying that over and over will not make it so.
World markets, panic notwithstanding, are spreading the crisis and only at the source...here...can the "wave of doom" be stopped. Perception is just as real as the actuality...confidence runs a financial system as much as actual capital.
You may view this as a cheerleader contest, but once again that doesn't make it so.
Obama had a good opportunity to step up and take charge, he decided to take the advice of his campaign and keep speechmaking.
I admire John McCain, and this action has shown me he has more leadership ability at the top level than I saw before.
A true leader has a vision of priority events, a campaign isn't the top priority when the country is in crisis.
Cynicism has it's place, but sound judgement needs a clear objectivity and your cynical view of the crisis is the real joke. It's easy to be "cynical", but easy doesn't get to the heart of the matter.
The plot thickens. McCain is now trying to move the presidential debates to October 2 and postpone the VP debates. McCain is very sexiest in protecting his woman folk from the white hot spot light. It seems he can not multitask and Palin is not ready for prime time. What a ticket. Nobody could write this stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMQxDprCVbE
Could be Palin needs more time with her Witch Hunter pastor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMQxDprCVbE
Could be Palin needs more time with her Witch Hunter pastor.
I applaud your heartfelt replies. They're quite nice.. but.. from my experiences, from my viewings of the debates, the speeches.. the opinions of McCain from his P.O.W. comrades especially, I just cant believe McCain is the kind of man who can put forth(at least these days) a consistent, well-thought answer to many of the issues facing the country. By all means he can tackle one problem, but an excellent test of character IS actually facing all the problems at once in a manner appropriate to the ideal president of this fine country.
The U.S. will rebound, of that there is *no* doubt. But people want true answers and you do have to step up to the plate. Obama has.. time and time again proven to be quite resistant to *usual politics*. At least.. in the presidential race. Before.. previous positions.. well you certainly have to do your job the same as everyone else. Cant blame someone for doing the job like everyone around you. But enough of my response to critics of the Barack.
I appreciated your comment and must say.. I disagree with you. He is an impatient old man whose life expectancy and VP choice must be considered alongside his questionable antics in interviews, debates and overall choices in politics these last months and recent years.
Your dead on again and really nobody could write this stuff.This has got to be the wildest election season in a long long time.What else can happen in the next 40 days??:dunno:
If nothing else McCain is introducing more fear about the situation and the economy by making these moves.If he really wanted to help calm things, he should have gone on with the debate (it's just a few hours Friday night) and then worked hard behind the scenes.All this public stuff and disruption of normal schedule just breeds more anxiety.But its too late for that now, the drama queen already did his damage.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
My neighbor? :wtf: You mean the guy I work with? You claim that I missed a lot of what's going on around me, yet you completely missed something as simple as...
Why? So I can lay eggs large enough to feed a small village? What's your point? :dunno:
Saying that it's a crisis over and over doesn't make it so either.
"I have a huge penis, I have a huge penis, I have a..."
:looks in pants:
"Nope, didn't work."
A true leader would have the balls to say "STOP BEING STUPID WITH YOUR MONEY" and not continue to blame everyone else except those who are ultimately responsible...the US citizens. Passing the blame to innocent bystanders (big corporations, etc) isn't something a leader would do. That's something a coward would do.
The only people who feel that this is a crisis are people who don't know anything about how to spend their money properly and people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.
I make absolute shit for money, yet, I still manage to live a completely normal life. If this was a true crisis, then people who don't make a lot of money (ie - ME) would be completely fucking screwed. But, since I'm not a moron who wastes their money on crap, I am perfectly fine.
I do what I have to do in order to survive. Instead of wasting my money on useless bullshit (huge apartment, big screen TV, trendy clothes, ordering in, etc), I make smart decisions with my income. I live in a studio apartment, I've had the same 32" TV since I was a teenager, I don't waste money on clothes I don't need, I rarely order food, etc.
I'm not being cynical at all. Yes, I live my life with a sense of humor, but that doesn't mean I'm being cynical. I just don't choose to get all uproarious about this issue.
Getting angry does nothing but raise your blood temperature.
So everyone is laying this at the Bush administration's feet. Even Nancy Pelosi claimed that the Democrats have NO BLAME in what has happened.
Both claims are BS.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/09/18/ny-times-sept-2003-bush-proposed-tightening-oversight-of-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-the-democrats-of-congress-blocked-it/
The republicans TRIED 5 YEARS ago and the democraps wouldn't hear of it.
Maybe McCain feels like what is actually going on is MORE IMPORTANT that some debate that is nothing but face time for EITHER candidate right now anyway. If Obama won't be a part of what is going on at this time in Washington instead of a BS debate, it just shows how small minded he really is.
This whole financial deal is very important to this country. I'm much more impressed with McCain and him at least wanting to be involved first hand, than I am Obama playing politics and games as usual.
I would NOT count out McCain because of this. Most of you here are SO in the bag for Obama that no matter what he does, he can do no wrong.
I personally can't see ANYTHING that impresses me about him.
He aligns himself with people that I would not let step FOOT on my property, WHY would I vote for him?
As for polls, you ask the right people, the right question in the right way, then add the "variables" as you feel like, you WILL come up with the results you want.
Very Well Said.
Philbert
Banned
This is true...however, I fail to see what credibility living frugally has in relation to balancing an economy.
No factory was ever built with someone's life savings...most lower level earners keep money in a Savings account!
I also make a low level income, rarely ever more than $2500-$3500 a month...I have some debt on a vehicle purchase (2.9% interest) but make my bills. I work a labor-intensive blue collar job, a contractor, so I guess that makes me an economist and ready to run the Treasury?
My tv is old, I am still using my first and only credit card, I buy everything as needed and as cheap as possible...I do have multimillionaire relatives who worked hard, 3 generations, were smart with their money, and used credit wisely to build a large business. They live well, help many poor folks, and are ready to do their part in the overall political structure. Who is wiser, you/me or people with money? They can effect the world around them, make a difference we can't; and have worries that don't include having enough to pay rent, bills, or see doctors.
I am not wise enough to say, only wise enough to know I don't know that much.
I do see others around me that do things differently, and seem to do what needs to be done to create a giant economy for billions to partake in. I don't get how that works, exactly, but I do get some of it.
Self-interest in the small level...deadly. Too many see a cash cow where we need a Golden Goose.
That is where I see the disconnect...not too much spending, or too much lending...but selfish direction for one specific agenda over the "general good" agenda.
What good are those low interest loans now to the non-capitalized homebuyers when they are out of the house they couldn't afford to pay for?
Many Illegals were able to get homeloans...where was their documentation ? None...they got loans, and many are defaulting. You and I shouldn't be taking on a $100,000 loan on our income, but many did and here we are.
I have always seen Dems as give away people, and Republicans as you're on your own people; I try to go with the middle of the road balance, but when there's too much swing in one direction, we are fucked.
I like a Dem pres and a Repub Senate, or vice versa. The House is always full of lunatics, so I have no preference there.
This is a crisis, and how we go is gonna determine the next several years of our standard of living.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
The "state" of our economy is directly connected to how people spend their money. When people waste their money and have none left to spend, then the economy starts to "suffer" because nobody is spending money anymore. That's why the government sent out those stupid, and IMO pointless, $600 checks not too long ago...to stimulate the economy, which, didn't work at all.
If we can teach people to properly spend their money, then our economy wouldn't be so bad.
Wow, I don't even make that much in 3 months. I'm not joking either.
FYI - In reference to the mortgage BS that's happening...
I put a lot of the blame for that, once again, on the US citizens...the people buying the houses. Most people get in over their heads when it comes to big purchases like buying a home. They think that just because they have a loan that the house somehow becomes more affordable. Uh, no. You still owe the same amount of money, you just have more time to pay your balance.
I've known people who have bought $100,000+ houses, gotten a loan which allows them to pay around $800/month for their mortgage...and then they can't afford it. If you can't pay your bill, the mortgage companies and banks have every right to foreclose on your house. That, IMO, is purely the house buyers fault...no one elses.
Chef I could not disagree more, this crisis/problem whatever you want to call it is almost exclusively due to the actions of a few.The ones who wrote all these very questionable mortgages just for the short term profits they would make are to blame not the average person at all.Might be some blame for the people who accepted the mortgages but that is still not anywhere near a majority of people and they were not the ones responsible for the damage as much as the get rich quick investment guys involved at mortgage houses and banks.I heard in the last couple days part of FDR's inaguaral speech in 1932 at the height of the depression and he had to tell the american people the same thing.He talked about how it was the "money changers" who were at fault and not the people.He was right and the same applies now.Most people did not have anything to do with this crisis of bad loans.
We are not in a depression yet.In the depression of the 1930s 1/3 of all americans were unemployed and that lasted for many years.Don't think that an economic collapse and possible depression can not have dramatic effects on you.Lets hope it doesn't,but 1/3 of people is a lot if that happens and it could be almost any of us.The only reason I could care less about this is the effect it could have on all of us,if it was just a few rich guys on wall street or at the banks or even a few losing houses we would be fine.But this is now at a point that all of us could be affected by it in some way,by lose of jobs,values of things like 401k's etc.I know from my mother who was a kid in the depression that she knew she was very lucky my grandfather had a job all through the depression at Dupont.30% of the country had a very different experience than that.If what they say could happen happens it will be one the worst experiences for many of us we have ever seen in our lives IMO.Lets really hope it's not as bad as they say and that if we get by this that actions are taken to not allow us to be in such a position because of the actions of a few bad actors ever again.Steps were taken after the depression to safeguard against this very kind of thing but over time things got relaxed and we let greedy types do damage once again, but lets not blame the average person here who really is just going to be a victim in this if the worst happens just as they were after the crash of 1929.
Philbert
Banned
The "state" of our economy is directly connected to how people spend their money. When people waste their money and have none left to spend, then the economy starts to "suffer" because nobody is spending money anymore. That's why the government sent out those stupid, and IMO pointless, $600 checks not too long ago...to stimulate the economy, which, didn't work at all.
If we can teach people to properly spend their money, then our economy wouldn't be so bad.
Wow, I don't even make that much in 3 months. I'm not joking either.
FYI - In reference to the mortgage BS that's happening...
I put a lot of the blame for that, once again, on the US citizens...the people buying the houses. Most people get in over their heads when it comes to big purchases like buying a home. They think that just because they have a loan that the house somehow becomes more affordable. Uh, no. You still owe the same amount of money, you just have more time to pay your balance.
I've known people who have bought $100,000+ houses, gotten a loan which allows them to pay around $800/month for their mortgage...and then they can't afford it. If you can't pay your bill, the mortgage companies and banks have every right to foreclose on your house. That, IMO, is purely the house buyers fault...no one elses.
I almost had to take a chill pill, I was so shocked...2 posts I almost completely agreed with! The horror! LOL
As for lending to people who can't afford it...I don't fault people with bad judgement, although individually that is a bad thing and deserves the end result. Offer free candy to a bunch of kiddies, and many will say "sure!"
When dealing with millions of loans, though, there have always been checks on lending to under-earning borrowers...collateral, credit rating, income...these were cast aside and we ended up with a giant empty bag. When you are a major player in the market, this is close to, or is, criminal.
Therein lies my chapped ass...
Facetious
Moderated
Whose "we", the anti-business structured public schools ?
Economies are much more complex than as stated above. There's a plethora of factors at work (or not), namely, the increasing costs of conducting business here in the USA. Why has the business atmosphere become as hostile as it is ? Excess litigation and excess legislation,(IMO) thank you very much ! The resultant effect(s) have prompted businesses to go elsewhere (outsource) where they can actually make a decent profit margin, as in overseas. Businesses have also, as you know, insourced a tremendous number of migrant workers into America, another source of lost jobs in America. I guess that it's safe to say that a tremendous number of Americans have lost their decent paying jobs as a result of aforementioned excess litigation and excess legislation.
Other economic factors include -
√ High taxes -> Individuals spend less money. An economy has never been salvaged by a high tax schedule.
√ The availability and cost(s) associated with energy - No Nukes ! No Drilling ! crowd, look what you've done to "U.S." We're on our way to third world status if this keeps up. :wtf:
This (economy) is a collective mess going on here today and I couldn't agree more with those ^ above, who have articulated some sense into the matter.
Put aside your emotions and all of the politically motivated partisan hogwash
and lets get some remedy into the picture, whoever it may be that gets (elected) to The Office of the Presidency.
Every damned day - obama ! . . .no . . mccane !!! . . .nooo obama !!! :nono: mccane !!! . . ObAMa !! ad nauseam . .
What about your country ?
I'm off to blow off 100 rds of .45 Acp now ! The range is open 'till midnight *if they haven't folded yet*. wanna go ? :nanner:
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