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Will E Worm

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NY Gun Instructor Reacts After Newspaper Publishes Names of Gun Permit Holders: This Puts ‘Us on the Level of a Sex Offender’

A New York newspaper is receiving much criticism for publishing the names and addresses of residents with gun permits. One Putnam County resident, who’s a certified gun instructor, joined Fox and Friends this morning to react.

David Triglianos’ name isn’t currently on The Journal News’ list, but he believes it will be added soon. Triglianos thinks that by publishing the names of gun owners, the paper has put them “on the level of a sex offender.”

“Those people have demonstrated that they are a threat to their community, I haven’t done anything to demonstrate that I’m a threat to my community,” Triglianos argued.

The paper defended its actions saying that in the wake of the Newtown shooting, readers are increasingly interested in guns in their communities.

Triglianos argued, “I don’t know how it makes it safer to know that your neighbor happens to own a handgun or is licensed to own a handgun […] If Nancy Lanza’s neighbors had known she owned guns, what difference would that have made?”

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Outrage After New York Newspaper Publishes Names and Addresses of Residents With Gun Permits

A New York newspaper is facing criticism for publishing the names and addresses of people with handgun licenses in an online map. The Journal News says the information was obtained through public records and defends publishing it, but many are outraged and feel the move creates severe security risks.

Attorney and policy advisor Michael Barnes joined Fox and Friends this morning and said that while the paper didn’t break any laws by publishing the information, it doesn’t mean it’s right that they did it. He called the action “divisive” and “dangerous.”

Barnes pointed out that the paper gave “a list to any criminal of the houses that have guns in case they want to find a low-security environment in which to go and steal weapons.”

The paper has defended its actions, releasing a statement that reads in part:

“The massacre in Newtown remains top-of-mind for many of our readers … Our readers are understandably interested to know about guns in their neighborhoods. We obtained the names and addresses of … residents who are licensed to own handguns through routine Freedom of Information law public-records requests.”

Barnes argued that by publishing the list, editors at the paper were ‘using tactics of the extreme left … to try to embarrass or otherwise to bully’ gun owners.

“This list exposes an inherent bias among the publishers and editors of this newspaper that somehow owning a handgun is socially unacceptable,” Barnes said.

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:facepalm:

Why do you register your weapons? The Constitution doesn't say you have to. So, stop doing it.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
If I want gun I would get a Soviet trophy weapon.


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Not sure what this has to do with the OP, but you can get the rifles and pistols on the wall pretty cheap at most gunshows. The machine guns could be had too, if you had the proper license. But WWII Soviet weapons tend to go pretty cheap because they're not really sought after or very popular here. German weapons (WWI or WWII era)... now those still fetch a pretty penny! Nice Mausers, P38's and P08's usually pull crowds around the display tables.

Back to the OP... it's pretty fucked up that a newspaper would do that. Hopefully some of those gun owners will get together and put up some flyers detailing where the publisher of that paper lives and where his/her kids go to school. Wonder how that would go over?
 

Will E Worm

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Back to the OP... it's pretty fucked up that a newspaper would do that. Hopefully some of those gun owners will get together and put up some flyers detailing where the publisher of that paper lives and where his/her kids go to school. Wonder how that would go over?

Already happened.

Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit Owners

A week after the Newtown massacre, The Journal News published an interactive Google Map with the names and addresses of gun permit owners in select New York cities. The bold move has escalated into a transparency arms race, after a Connecticut lawyer posted the phone number and addresses of the Journal‘s staff, including a Google Maps satellite Image of the Publisher’s home. “I don’t know whether the Journal’s publisher Janet Hasson is a permit holder herself, but here’s how to find her to ask,” read Christopher Fountain’s blog post. The double irony here is that open data was heralded as a tool of enlightened civic dialog, and has been co-opted for fierce partisanship, bordering on public endangerment.

The Journal‘s original publication of the map sparked nationwide outrage and thousands of angry comments. Gun permit holding is public information in New York, and can be acquired through a mere request via the Freedom of Information Act. But, coming on the heels of the Newtown shooting, the publication had a clear provocative intent. “New York residents have the right to own guns with a permit and they also have a right to access public information,” said a defiant Hasson.

Given that the Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle used in the school shooting was reportedly legally registered with the killer’s mother, the Google Map sparked a debate about whether gun owners should be labeled like other potential menaces to society, “The implications are mind-boggling,” said Marine Scott F. Williams to The Journal News, “It’s as if gun owners are sex offenders (and) to own a handgun risks exposure as if one is a sex offender. It’s, in my mind, crazy.”

Blogger Christopher Fountain took the debate into his own hands, publishing the personal information of The Journals‘ staff. “Hundreds of thousands of readers; Janet, you have a great Christmas Eve,” he wrote, after a popular political outlet, Instapundit, linked to his post.

Ironically, the promise of open data was supposed to lead to open-minded discussion. “If the broad light of day could be let in upon men’s actions, it would purify them as the sun disinfects,” reads the often-cited quote from Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, who stands a champion to modern-day nonprofits fighting for greater access to health, legislative, and administrative government data.

Open data advocates have struggled to get media attention for their utopian vision of automated government services. This latest use of open data via Google Maps, both to publish gun permit ownership and journalists’ geolocation data, seems to have hit the media sweet spot, as it plays into our debased partisan interests. It appears that transparency lends itself equally to being both a tool of democracy or a partisan weapon.

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After this people should really think about gun registration.

You don't want the enemy knowing you have protection.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Yeah, I like that! :yesyes:
 
Not sure what this has to do with the OP, but you can get the rifles and pistols on the wall pretty cheap at most gunshows. The machine guns could be had too, if you had the proper license. But WWII Soviet weapons tend to go pretty cheap because they're not really sought after or very popular here.

-I meant that when you find a Soviet trophy weapon no one will know that you have one since they do not officially exist and you do not need to register them.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
-I meant that when you find a Soviet trophy weapon no one will know that you have one since they do not officially exist and you do not need to register them.

Whether or not they need to be registered in the U.S. depends on where you live. Don't quote me, but I *think* the National Firearms Act covers all centerfire or rimfire weapons made after 1898. Where I live, the only weapons that need to be registered are Title II firearms and accessories (full or select fire weapons, short barrel shotguns, silencers, destructive devices, etc.). If you bought one of those old Soviet guns from a dealer, you'd still have to pass a background check (a federal requirement). But in my state, that's not registration, as we don't require firearms registration in the state - though maybe certain cities do... I :dunno: And if you buy any gun from a private/non-FFL licensed individual, there is no background check for an older firearm or a newer firearm.

But these people live in New York. So I figure that they'd be fucked no matter how you look at it. I *believe* many of their localities require any and all handguns to be registered - even old ones, I'd say. It wouldn't surprise me if they had to register pointy sticks and pocket knives up there.
 
Last week the Journal News published the addresses of gun owners, giving them the same treatment as sex offenders. This week, they've hired armed guards to protect them. Apparently guns aren't ok for private citizens but are ok for them.

Remember the Journal News? They're the newspaper that gathered and published the addresses of gun owners last week and the same publication planning to publish even more despite national outrage the first time around. While they continue to treat law abiding citizens exercising their Second Amendment right like convicted sex offenders, the newspaper has hired armed security after addresses of editors and executives were published online in the same fashion.

A Clarkstown police report issued on December 28, 2012, confirmed that The Journal News has hired armed security guards from New City-based RGA Investigations and that they are manning the newspaper’s Rockland County headquarters at 1 Crosfield Ave., West Nyack, through at least tomorrow, Wednesday, January 2, 2013.

According to police reports on public record, Journal News Rockland Editor Caryn A. McBride was alarmed by the volume of “negative correspondence,” namely an avalanche of phone calls and emails to the Journal News office, following the newspaper’s publishing of a map of all pistol permit holders in Rockland and Westchester.

Due to apparent safety concerns, the newspaper then decided to hire RGA Investigations to provide armed personnel to man the location.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...after-publishing-gun-owner-addresses-n1477708
 
This is a curious thing. People who are uncomfortable with guns will readily hire gun-toters to protect them. That takes some discussion to get around.

As to the original post, I'm on the fence about this. I have a very good friend who carries, and he and I have had MANY conversations about it. With those conversations, he agreed to not carry his weapon into my house. I appreciate that a great deal. I also appreciate that he was forthright enough with me the instant he learned that I have a gun-free home. He initiated the conversation, believing I would be the dick-head, anti-gun jackass. It wasn't that. We really had quality conversations. We've learned from each other. We respect each other's rights.

Now, why are gun owners reluctant to let others know they carry weapons? Why is this an issue? Who cares if the whole world knows you carry a gun? Why is that a problem?

Honest questions. Looking for answers.
 
Valid questions, Dirk. I'll take a stab at giving my opinions on the matter.

Now, why are gun owners reluctant to let others know they carry weapons?

1. Maybe the gun owners fear that criminals will stake out a house that was reported to have firearms, and when the homeowners are away, the criminals will break into the house and steal valuable possessions, including the firearms.

2. It's nobody's business what "legal" item I have in my home.

3. What if it is an elderly woman who's husband recently passed away, (and whose name was NOT on the list of registered gun owners because they were both very anti-gun.) And now the bad guys know her address and break in while she is at home, killing her and stealing whatever money and valuables she owns, knowing full well that she and her deceased husband didn't own firearms.

4. Some cities list the names of Child Molesters. These people have done heinous crimes against young children. The worst type of person known. However, listing law abiding citizens who conform to the law (getting a legal gun permit) now makes them as "guilty looking" as the child molester, when in fact they have committed NO crime what so ever.
 
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