Duh, I'm not the one "seeking National Guard volunteers." Obama is, so tell it to him, not me.
Guest on Glenn Beck's Show Says Another Terrorist Attack is "Our Only Chance"!!
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Duh, I'm not the one "seeking National Guard volunteers." Obama is, so tell it to him, not me.
Uh, okay. I apologize for either not being quick or smart enough to catch that one.:helpme:
BioDefenseGrad
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That's what I meant. I edited out a few sentences and did a poor job of pasting everything back together.
I was saying that Scheuer (who I normally like) is holding up the unarmed NG soldiers as an example of how half-assed the border protection is. I meant to say that there's good reason for sending them unarmed.
BioDefenseGrad
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W/out watching the unknown sourced vid - Maybe we do need another bitch slap as a reminder that the world around us is, in fact, inherently violent and we should not be cutting military budgetary expenditures.
I know of members on the ''far'' left that, in their own circles, were wishing that we got tagged while 'w' was at the helm.
It's all partisan politiks at the end of each day, I'm 'fraid
I sometimes wonder if it's not a matter of "how much" is being cut rather than "what" is being cut. We have to keep a balancing act between conventional and unconventional threat preparedness posture, both being products of forecasting. Once vested interests get ahold of certain scenarios, it's hard to keep things from running away.
To your second part, I know the involved Left (meaning that percentage of the population involved in making and directly carrying out policy) is in a strange position right now. A GWOT (now overseas contingency operations) that they had largely opposed or struggled to support is now their problem. Many of the most effective tools at their disposal DoD in particular, are controlled by members of the pro-GWOT involved Right, so they have to roll back the rhetoric and find a way to win.
It'll be interesting watching how far and fast we can go now that the active Left isn't rowing against the military and the intelligence community as a whole. The DoD has been doing the State Department's job for a while now, it'd be nice to see State getting back to doing their job, now that their buddies are in control at the White House.
JayJohn85
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Exactly by saying that he contradicts his whole argument........As another attack would cause fear a useful tool in the control of the masses. Ya know the standard tactic of any right wing dictators
If everyone is looking outside in constant fear of enemies they arent looking at domestic problems. That wont save your nation it will only forstall problems temporarily like per say ensure your time in office or enable a swift return to right wing politics because at desperate times people look to desperate measures.PS> Osama Bin Laden is dead or well on his way. Wasnt he on a dialysis machine under a mountain at one point?
BioDefenseGrad
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Exactly by saying that he contradicts his whole argument........As another attack would cause fear a useful tool in the control of the masses. Ya know the standard tactic of any right wing dictators
PS> Osama Bin Laden is dead or well on his way. Wasnt he on a dialysis machine under a mountain at one point?
You don't think the Left Wing uses fear tactics?
In the case of immigration, it is a domestic problem. In the case of Terrorism on U.S. soil it's a domestic problem and a foreign policy problem. But it wouldn't be as effective as a distraction tool because there's fatigue on the part of the American people. They're fucking sick of dealing with terror alerts etc. and Iraq accelerated that 10 fold. I think the U.S. has renewed vigor on Afghanistan, but people just don't want to go back to the post 9/11 to 2004 mindset. If anything the public reaction will be muted, the reaction will be among the security establishment. We'll probably lock the fucking borders down and become even more selective on who we let into the country, but that's it.
Interesting new poll out on the terrorism issue.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/02/terrorism.poll/
Getting back to Scheuer, not sure if this will endear him to us, or just further infuriate us, but a noteworthy clip nonetheless here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZbzs5BwBLA
Basically, he tells Bill Maher that Israel can go suck it, lol.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/02/terrorism.poll/
Getting back to Scheuer, not sure if this will endear him to us, or just further infuriate us, but a noteworthy clip nonetheless here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZbzs5BwBLA
Basically, he tells Bill Maher that Israel can go suck it, lol.
JayJohn85
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Yea I suppose your right then the guest speaker dude must be worried about American unity. Perhaps America needs external threats. Though his idea of a terrorist attack is seriously extreme and frankly I am amazed he voiced that on tv, He likely committed career suicide there.
Jagger69
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Talk about extremism. Here's a guy (Scheuer) who wants America to be attacked again in order to fulfill a political agenda. What a patriot, huh? Well, he fits right into the same slimy mold from which Limbaugh and Cheney were cast. An unscrupulous charlatan and opportunistic doomsayer to say the least. Fuck him and those who would buy into his addled beliefs.
And Glenn Beck? Anyone who puts any credence in what he says or believes is more ignorant than he is....and that's saying a lot. What a dipshit. Good thing he has his own talk show because I can't imagine him being able to make a legitimate alternative living of any substance....especially if said living depended on any intellectual ability. He's just got that "I'm a stupid fuck" look in his eyes.
And Glenn Beck? Anyone who puts any credence in what he says or believes is more ignorant than he is....and that's saying a lot. What a dipshit. Good thing he has his own talk show because I can't imagine him being able to make a legitimate alternative living of any substance....especially if said living depended on any intellectual ability. He's just got that "I'm a stupid fuck" look in his eyes.
While I'm not the biggest Bush fan, I have to say he did prevent any terrorist attacks on U.S. soil for 7 years. Bin Laden was served to Clinton on a silver platter several times. Had Clinton taken it seriously maybe there would have never been a 9/11.
http://www.infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm
Yea, guys he says it's our only hope. I'm a republican so I'm right wing then? Doesn't mean I believe in war as always a solution.
What America fucking truly needs is some good people to run the country. Not saying that everyone is wrong or corrupt, but it annoys me that these people are well educated and make themselves look so dumb.
All I feel like is our boat is sinking and I can do is watch since I'm not smart enough to help.
Ronald Regan = legend or joke? I think there's no hard decision here.
What America fucking truly needs is some good people to run the country. Not saying that everyone is wrong or corrupt, but it annoys me that these people are well educated and make themselves look so dumb.
All I feel like is our boat is sinking and I can do is watch since I'm not smart enough to help.
Ronald Regan = legend or joke? I think there's no hard decision here.
After watching his show several times (and many clips of the same), I'm not so sure it is a good thing he has his own talk show, as he clearly (based on his ratings) has a flair for firing up the wingnuts (see the Poplawski case in Pittsburgh); he degrades the public dialogue. He reduces the seriousness of the debate and actually encourages a certain level of ignorance. He'd better serve the public if he just did the high school motivational speaking circuit, talking about how he used to be an alcoholic (and possibly lived in a van down by the river - RIP, Chris Farley!), and discouraging booze and drug use/abuse, etc.
While Clinton surely had many a fuck-up, your lame partisanship and sheer stupidity here are astounding. What of the nearly 9 months prior to 9/11 in which Bush could have got things in order. Maybe he could've taken the "Bin Laden Determined to Attack US Using Planes" memo a bit more seriously??? Golly, though, yeah, you're right - except for 9/11 - which is really Clinton's fault, anyway! - Bush and Cheney did a swell job of preventing a terrorist attack on US soil!
I'm gonna go with.... joke.
So you're just giving Bush a free pass on the terrorist attack that 'did' occur under his watch? The buck stops here, except with Bush. Then you can blame everyone other than Bush. Or one might say if Bush had taken any of the "determined to strike U.S." memos seriously, there wouldn't be a 9/11.
Don't forget Reagan and the CIA helped fund the Afghanistan war resistance against Russia in the 80's. Which helped Bin Laden become the person he is today.
While Clinton surely had many a fuck-up, your lame partisanship and sheer stupidity here are astounding. What of the nearly 9 months prior to 9/11 in which Bush could have got things in order. Maybe he could've taken the "Bin Laden Determined to Attack US Using Planes" memo a bit more seriously??? Golly, though, yeah, you're right - except for 9/11 - which is really Clinton's fault, anyway! - Bush and Cheney did a swell job of preventing a terrorist attack on US soil!
Stupidity? While I don't agree with your views, I didn't resort to insulting your intelligence. I would appreciate the same, but thats typical far left, right? If somebody doesn't agree with you, you should insult them and start yelling at them until they do agree with you. While that sometimes works with 3rd graders, it usually doesn't have the same effect with adults. So wise up, and grow up.
Golly, though, did you bother reading my link. I'll post more if you like. You know, about how Clinton could have put Bin Laden under lock and key, a well known terrorist, but chose not to. Clinton dropped the ball, end of story.
No I'm not giving Bush a "free pass" as I didn't know about any memos. Like I said, I'm not a big Bush fan...I consider myself neither liberal nor conservative. If Bush got memos saying there was going to be an attack, yes, he should have done something as well. But still, if you could please enlighten me as to why Clinton didn't take Bin Laden when he had the chance, please......enlighten.
I don't know what's so controversial. Isn't it kind of...true? :dunno:
Hey, maybe you're not a stupid person per se, but you were most certainly writing stupid things above, making a display of stupidity. You weren't demonstrating your intelligence, by any means... What's at issue (Bush got an intelligence memo about Bin Laden wanting to attack using planes - so did Condi - and didn't take the needed steps to ensure it wouldn't happen) are facts, so it's not about agreeing with me or not, it's not a matter of opinion.
And Clinton's dropping the ball is hardly the end of the story. Again, Bush had nearly 9 full months to do what he needed to do, and he didn't.
You "didn't know about any memos"???!!? Are you serious?
Oh no, another Bill O'Reilly/Glenn Beck type of "independent"!!! Just what we need. Fine, you aren't a Republican, but you are surely showing signs that you're a right-winger, at least on this matter.
Yes, ninetysix, it's "true" that the "only chance" we'll have of being safe from another attack is to be attacked again.
BioDefenseGrad
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He's a retired CIA analyst and best-selling author, so I don't think he'll be worried about his career.
BioDefenseGrad
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The U.S. didn't fund Bin Laden that's coming from Democrats who were on the ground in Afghanistan. IF anything, helping them defeat the Soviets should have endeared Bin Laden to the U.S. right? It's the events that occured outside of Afghanistan and in Mr. Bin Laden's own mind that caused him to hate the West.
I suppose if you want to use the term fund strictly the US didn't. However Charlie Wilson and "Scoop" Jackson were directly involved in undocumented funding of C.I.A. SOD/SOG for covert ops in Afghanistan in support of the Mujahideen.
Certainly it was the likely case that such ops involved material support in the form of currency also. In many cases it's just the nature of some ops to have that be a part of it.:2 cents:
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