I personally think when all is said and done its gonna be either Alex Rodriguez or Albert Puljos....dont get me wrong other players over the years had great stats and so on but these guys with all the steroid talk going on are always consistent.....BARRY BONDS IS A FAKE.....how does he get better after the age of 35 when most players fade away....I would also recommend Lou Gehrig be considered as an alltime great his statas were awesome and he played everyday he would've kept playing if it wasnt for his illness
Greatest BaseBall Player of All Time...
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Modern times I will have to say that Albert Puljos is the best over all player...but the all time player may have to be Stan the man Musical
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It depends on what makes a baseball player the best. Wins? Titles? Records? Conduct?
Going statistically and objectively by the players that would give you the best chance of winning(scoring points and preventing points from being scored) the best player in history is a close call between Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds, and sad to say it is probably Barry Bonds. Even if he did take steroids the fact that they were not against the rules until recently, probably don't help people as much as everyone thinks they do, and the fact that their is an enormous amount of players that have tried to cheat throughout history makes it mostly irrelevant. Everybody always forgets about all the players that took "greenies", pet pills, *******, and other stuff. Did it really give them that much of an advantage, probably not, but they were TRYING to get an advantage over their competition.
Jagger69
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Just like your hockey list, it is subjective depending upon what your definition of "greatness" is. I'll give my top 10 and justification for each then y'all can fire away (non-pitchers). I'm also not including anyone prior to 1900 (apologies to all you Cap Anson and *** Lajoie fans) or anybody on steroids.
1) Babe Ruth - 714 homers, 12 home run titles, .342 career batting average...also went 94-46 as a pitcher. Legendary "Sultan of Swat" has no equal.
2) Willie Mays - The "Say Hey ***"....660 homers, 3,283 hits, .302 career average, 12 gold gloves. He could hit, run, field and throw like no other. Best all-around player ever.
3) Ty Cobb - The "Georgia Peach"....4,189 hits, 11 batting titles, .366 career batting average....need I say more?
4) Stan Musial - "Stan the Man"....475 homers, 3,630 hits, 7 batting titles, .331 career average. Best National League hitter ever.
5) Ted Williams - The "Splendid Splinter"....525 homers, 6 batting titles, .344 career average.
6) Lou Gehrig - The "Iron *****"....493 homers, .340 career average....stats would have been even more impressive if he'd lived longer.
7) Hank Aaron - "Hammerin' Hank"....755 homers, 3,771 hits, .305 career average. And no steroids.
8) Honus Wagner - The "Flying Dutchman"....3,415 hits, 8 batting titles, .327 career average.
9) Tony Gwynn - 3,141 hits, 8 batting titles, .338 career average. 'nuff said
10) Rogers Hornsby - 2,930 hits, 7 batting titles, .358 career average.
I could go on to 20 real easy there are so many great ones. It'd be fun to do with pitchers also.
1) Babe Ruth - 714 homers, 12 home run titles, .342 career batting average...also went 94-46 as a pitcher. Legendary "Sultan of Swat" has no equal.
2) Willie Mays - The "Say Hey ***"....660 homers, 3,283 hits, .302 career average, 12 gold gloves. He could hit, run, field and throw like no other. Best all-around player ever.
3) Ty Cobb - The "Georgia Peach"....4,189 hits, 11 batting titles, .366 career batting average....need I say more?
4) Stan Musial - "Stan the Man"....475 homers, 3,630 hits, 7 batting titles, .331 career average. Best National League hitter ever.
5) Ted Williams - The "Splendid Splinter"....525 homers, 6 batting titles, .344 career average.
6) Lou Gehrig - The "Iron *****"....493 homers, .340 career average....stats would have been even more impressive if he'd lived longer.
7) Hank Aaron - "Hammerin' Hank"....755 homers, 3,771 hits, .305 career average. And no steroids.
8) Honus Wagner - The "Flying Dutchman"....3,415 hits, 8 batting titles, .327 career average.
9) Tony Gwynn - 3,141 hits, 8 batting titles, .338 career average. 'nuff said
10) Rogers Hornsby - 2,930 hits, 7 batting titles, .358 career average.
I could go on to 20 real easy there are so many great ones. It'd be fun to do with pitchers also.
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Jagger69
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Bonds leads the Babe in walks 2,311 to 2,062 but you have to remember that Bonds has never had anyone near the caliber of Lou Gehrig hitting behind him. Besides, Bonds is a bogus, cheating, steroid-generated mutation that is not worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Babe Ruth in my book. Without the 'roids he was a terrific player but now he is simply a phony. And he's an asshole as well. Fuck Bonds.
Jagger69 said:
Not to poke fun at your top ten, but didn't your #3, Ty Cobb, **** a man? And, if I remember correctly, was he not referred to as an asshole by the media and his fellow players?
I'm not a 'roid fan, but, Bonds was feared in the late '80's and early '90's when he was a Pirate. Asshole then, yes. Asshole now, yes. Cobb meets the same criteria, imo.
As for the Greatest Baseball Player of all time?
Very subjective, imo, and era based as well.
My selections of Greatest Baseball Player of all time:
Ted Williams would be the greatest of all time for position players.
Roger Clemens would be the greatest pitcher of all time.
Pete Rose is the greatest over-achieving baseball player of all time. He was an All-Star at 5 different positions, and is the hit king of MLB. He did not have the raw talent to achieve the stats that he did, but sheer determination and hustle were the keys to his success.
Any list is very subjective. This is just my list :2 cents:
Barry Bonds would be the best of all time but theres too much baggage with his records
Jagger69 said:
I like that list Jagger. I'm glad you left that cheating s.o.b. Bonds off it too. I might have changed the order up a bit, but theres no question Ruth was the greatest. I might leave Tony Gwynn out of my top ten also and maybe put in somebody like Pete Rose.
Also a lot of people forget about Stan Musial because of the other big names from that generation that dominated headlines. He 's the most underrated hitter of all time.
pete rose, who gives a load of flying shits if he gambled, most hits in a career then anyone ever, thats a damn good player in my book.
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comanduc said:
Never heard of a ****** rap against Cobb. What's your source? But, he was undoubtedly an asshole and a racist....however, doesn't change my opinion about him as a baseball player (unlike Bonds who is a juicer).
Ted Williams the greatest ever? Like you said, it is subjective. I tried to do it from the quantitative slant since it is indeed a matter of personal preference. Ted Williams was awesome no question about it.
Rose definitely was in my thoughts but, if you look at his stats, other than total hits (BIG record no doubt), they aren't anything real special. I DO believe that he belongs in the Hall of Fame however.
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I hear Babe Ruth was quite good.
What Babe Ruth did in his era was unprecedented. He was so far ahead of any other player of his time...and for many years after. And keep in mind he did all this while being quite the 'party ******'. 
Some facts about Ruth
*In 1919 he hit 29 home runs which beat the old record of 27 which was set in 1884.
*Ruth's 1920 season turned into one that no one had ever come close to seeing before. He hit 54 home runs, smashing his year-old record, batted .376, and led the league in runs (158), RBIs (137), bases on balls (148), and his slugging average of .847 was a major league record for over 80 years (Barry Bonds eclipsed it with a .863 mark in 2001). Ruth's season was so dominating it led to one of the most amazing statistics in baseball history. In 1920, Ruth
out-homered all but one team in baseball, as only the Philadelphia Phillies with 64 hit more home runs than Ruth.
(How many steroids would Bonds have to take to hit more homers than an entire team? :1orglaugh )
*It is no coincidence that the 1920 Yankees shattered the league attendance mark. The Yankees drew nearly 1.3 million fans, breaking the old mark of the 1908 New York Giants by nearly 400,000 fans.
*As historic as Ruth's 1920 season was, his 1921 season was even better. Ruth's 1921 season is statistically the greatest season by any batter in major league history. This season merits a mention of most of his numbers, with how some of them rank all-time for a single season. In 152 games, Ruth batted .378, had 204 hits, 44 doubles, 16 triples, 59 home runs (8th all-time), scored 177 runs (2nd all-time), had 171 RBIs (7th all-time), 144 bases on balls, with 119 extra base hits (1st all-time), an .846 slugging average (3rd all-time), and amassed 457 total bases (1st all-time).
*1927 Ruth hits 60 home runs. In addition to the home runs, Ruth batted .356 and drove in 164 runs.
*Career batting average of .342.
I could go on and on...but you get the idea. The man was a true legend.
(*facts courtesy of Wikipedia)
Some facts about Ruth
*In 1919 he hit 29 home runs which beat the old record of 27 which was set in 1884.
*Ruth's 1920 season turned into one that no one had ever come close to seeing before. He hit 54 home runs, smashing his year-old record, batted .376, and led the league in runs (158), RBIs (137), bases on balls (148), and his slugging average of .847 was a major league record for over 80 years (Barry Bonds eclipsed it with a .863 mark in 2001). Ruth's season was so dominating it led to one of the most amazing statistics in baseball history. In 1920, Ruth
out-homered all but one team in baseball, as only the Philadelphia Phillies with 64 hit more home runs than Ruth.
(How many steroids would Bonds have to take to hit more homers than an entire team? :1orglaugh )
*It is no coincidence that the 1920 Yankees shattered the league attendance mark. The Yankees drew nearly 1.3 million fans, breaking the old mark of the 1908 New York Giants by nearly 400,000 fans.
*As historic as Ruth's 1920 season was, his 1921 season was even better. Ruth's 1921 season is statistically the greatest season by any batter in major league history. This season merits a mention of most of his numbers, with how some of them rank all-time for a single season. In 152 games, Ruth batted .378, had 204 hits, 44 doubles, 16 triples, 59 home runs (8th all-time), scored 177 runs (2nd all-time), had 171 RBIs (7th all-time), 144 bases on balls, with 119 extra base hits (1st all-time), an .846 slugging average (3rd all-time), and amassed 457 total bases (1st all-time).
*1927 Ruth hits 60 home runs. In addition to the home runs, Ruth batted .356 and drove in 164 runs.
*Career batting average of .342.
I could go on and on...but you get the idea. The man was a true legend.
(*facts courtesy of Wikipedia)
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Jagger69 said:
So true.
Like probably any baseball fan, I love my stats and know they belong to the game. Still, conduct is a major factor for me and easily would have more impact on my list than batting average or career HRs.
As Comanduc pointed out, Ted Williams belongs into such a list and so does Lou Gehrig and probably A-Rod, too. Funny how nobody mentioned Mickey Mantle yet or Joe D. (who wasn't such a lovable character either). No matter how you turn it, it's going to be a very subjective, individual list - but it's a nice idea to talk about anyway. :hatsoff:
John Rocker.....lol. I aint much of a baseball freak but I would have to say Cal Ripken Jr.
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Vegas Yankee said:
Sure! The Mick, Joe D, Clemente, Pete Rose, Hack Wilson....a lot of other awesome players would be in my next 10 for sure!
I don't think A-Rod belongs....or Pujols....not yet at least....their careers aren't over so I would not include anyone still playing....have to gauge them on their whole career. JMO....:glugglug:
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