Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

[sean miguel]

here, I'll do it for you:

https://www.google.com/search?q=being+a+soldier+is+stupid&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


My dad was in the Navy and they couldn't wear their uniforms off base because of leftist shitheads in california.

Who spat on U.S. servicemen coming home from Vietnam? What celebrity cunt manned an anti-aircraft cannon used to shoot down U.S. airmen?

 

[Jack Davenport]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

Awesome thread

 

[Supafly]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

Soldiers are the best people on mother earth. Everybody should have at least one.

 

[Jagger69]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

From your search:

"Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy". - Henry Kissinger

So what's your point? Are you going back to the 60s in today's installment of your never-ending crusade to prove how all liberals are (fill in your own derogatory term of preference here)? OK, I'll play your silly game....the 60s it is.

Were these acts committed by those inspired by the right or the left? I mean, if you have to attach an absolute label to everything and everyone (apparently you do so....), which side would it be for each of these? Be honest!

Who burned down the 16th St. Baptist Church, killing four young black children in the process?
Who blocked the entrance at the University of Mississippi to stop the admission of James Meredith?
Who killed Andrew Goodman, James Cheney and Michael Schwermer?
Who killed Medgar Evers?

I could go on but that's enough. Therefore, using the same reasoning in your post, all those on the right are evil, murderous, despicable, racist arsonists. Would that be a fair assessment?

On the other hand, if it is your contention that these acts were committed by a few lunatic-fringe elements of an extreme political philosophy in which there was no room for dissent, even if it meant murder or other types of violence in order to silence that dissent, would that be a more accurate portrait of the individuals involved in these acts? As z-fowl mentioned in yesterday's effort from you to vilify all liberals, extremism on both sides of the political spectrum is abhorrent but, unfortunately, a reality. The good news is that they are small, yet often vocal, minorities who get way more attention than they deserve and are certainly not representative of anyone but themselves.

Stick to beer, would you? I like you much better that way.

 

[sean miguel]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

From your search:



So what's your point? Are you going back to the 60s in today's installment of your never-ending crusade to prove how all liberals are (fill in your own derogatory term of preference here)? OK, I'll play your silly game....the 60s it is.

Were these acts committed by those inspired by the right or the left? I mean, if you have to attach an absolute label to everything and everyone (apparently you do so....), which side would it be for each of these? Be honest!

Who burned down the 16th St. Baptist Church, killing four young black children in the process?
Who blocked the entrance at the University of Mississippi to stop the admission of James Meredith?
Who killed Andrew Goodman, James Cheney and Michael Schwermer?
Who killed Medgar Evers?

I could go on but that's enough. Therefore, using the same reasoning in your post, all those on the right are evil, murderous, despicable, racist arsonists. Would that be a fair assessment?

On the other hand, if it is your contention that these acts were committed by a few lunatic-fringe elements of an extreme political philosophy in which there was no room for dissent, even if it meant murder or other types of violence in order to silence that dissent, would that be a more accurate portrait of the individuals involved in these acts? As z-fowl mentioned in yesterday's effort from you to vilify all liberals, extremism on both sides of the political spectrum is abhorrent but, unfortunately, a reality. The good news is that they are small, yet often vocal, minorities who get way more attention than they deserve and are certainly not representative of anyone but themselves.

Stick to beer, would you? I like you much better that way.

I wasn't born yet, but wasn't that a theme among the left at that time - anti-military? Congratulations and kudos to you and xfire for being outliers.

 

[Johan]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

You can't make statements about soldiers as a whole.
If you say '"soldiers are heroes", it applies to all soldiers, wether they are US GI, Waffen SS, Cambodian Khmer Rouges, etc.

Even among those we usually identifies as the "good guys", some of them are just trash. Think about the pictures taken by the soldiers in Abu Ghraïb. Would you qualifies these soldiers as heroes ?

Soldiers are jusst men, nothing more, nothing left. Some are good people, some are bad people, some are heroes, some are trash.

 

[sean miguel]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

You can't make statements about soldiers as a whole.
If you say '"soldiers are heroes", it applies to all soldiers, wether they are US GI, Waffen SS, Cambodian Khmer Rouges, etc.

Even among those we usually identifies as the "good guys", some of them are just trash. Think about the pictures taken by the soldiers in Abu Ghraïb. Would you qualifies these soldiers as heroes ?

Soldiers are jusst men, nothing more, nothing left. Some are good people, some are bad people, some are heroes, some are trash.

and some march people into ovens or starve people to death they don't outright execute. And some humiliate with pics.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

From your search:



So what's your point? Are you going back to the 60s in today's installment of your never-ending crusade to prove how all liberals are (fill in your own derogatory term of preference here)? OK, I'll play your silly game....the 60s it is.

Were these acts committed by those inspired by the right or the left? I mean, if you have to attach an absolute label to everything and everyone (apparently you do so....), which side would it be for each of these? Be honest!

Who burned down the 16th St. Baptist Church, killing four young black children in the process?
Who blocked the entrance at the University of Mississippi to stop the admission of James Meredith?
Who killed Andrew Goodman, James Cheney and Michael Schwermer?
Who killed Medgar Evers?

I could go on but that's enough. Therefore, using the same reasoning in your post, all those on the right are evil, murderous, despicable, racist arsonists. Would that be a fair assessment?

On the other hand, if it is your contention that these acts were committed by a few lunatic-fringe elements of an extreme political philosophy in which there was no room for dissent, even if it meant murder or other types of violence in order to silence that dissent, would that be a more accurate portrait of the individuals involved in these acts? As z-fowl mentioned in yesterday's effort from you to vilify all liberals, extremism on both sides of the political spectrum is abhorrent but, unfortunately, a reality. The good news is that they are small, yet often vocal, minorities who get way more attention than they deserve and are certainly not representative of anyone but themselves.

Stick to beer, would you? I like you much better that way.

Or we can jump to the 70's.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_murders

 

[Jagger69]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

I wasn't born yet, but wasn't that a theme among the left at that time - anti-military? Congratulations and kudos to you and xfire for being outliers.

Well, I grew up in the 60s and yes it was indeed a time of anti-militarism....primarily by those who were being sacrificed against their will in the line of battle. The illegal and increasingly unpopular war in Vietnam had pushed a large segment of youth to resist the government's efforts to not only expand the war (into Cambodia, for instance) but, more specifically, forced conscription. It was a lot different than recent conflicts where we were (or still are) dealing with all-volunteer armies. You wanna rekindle the kind of dissident backlash that we had in the 1960s? Re-institute the draft and watch what happens.

 

[Johan]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

I never said Abu Ghraib torturers belong to the same category than nazis. But you gotta agree that Waffen SS had been brainwashed by nazi propaganda.

 

[sean miguel]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

Well, I grew up in the 60s and yes it was indeed a time of anti-militarism....primarily by those who were being sacrificed against their will in the line of battle. The illegal and increasingly unpopular war in Vietnam had pushed a large segment of youth to resist the government's efforts to not only expand the war (into Cambodia, for instance) but, more specifically, forced conscription. It was a lot different than recent conflicts where we were (or still are) dealing with all-volunteer armies. You wanna rekindle the kind of dissident backlash that we had in the 1960s? Re-institute the draft and watch what happens.

So why were they spit on if they were there against their will? The piece of shit hippies at the airports couldn't make the distinction?

 

[Jagger69]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

I didn't say everyone was there against their will. I said there was widespread angst about the draft. Just like any army where there is conscription, there are also plenty of volunteers. I know lot of guys who joined the Air Force or Navy in order to avoid being thrown into battle as a drafted ground-pounder. Likewise, there were plenty of volunteers who were gung-ho and wanted to go get Charlie. Plus, it's not like there were multitudes of people waiting for planes to come back to San Francisco just so the returning soldiers could be spat upon. These types of incidents became more pronounced after My Lai and other atrocities had become known. It was a very ugly time.

There were also plenty of decorated returning soldiers who threw their medals back at the US Capitol so the dissention was definitely not limited to a bunch of crazy spitting hippies.

 

[BoboBrowne]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

One of the biggest myths in American history is that Vietnam Vets were "spit on" when they arrived home. It didn't happen. They were greeted with apathy.

Stop watching Rambo: First Blood and treating it as non-fiction.

 

[xfire]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

One of the biggest myths in American history is that Vietnam Vets were "spit on" when they arrived home. It didn't happen. They were greeted with apathy.

Stop watching Rambo: First Blood and treating it as non-fiction.

Indeed, David Morrell was using metaphor in the dialog of the book when John Rambo says that they were spit on, and metaphorically speaking, sure, that's accurate. Of course it's also accurate to say that the military industrial complex was wiping it's ass with the same veterans, but that's typically overlooked by the flag-waving patriots that support the same politicians that make sure the military industrial complex gets to carry on business as usual, feeding American soldiers to the money machine of war.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

One of the biggest myths in American history is that Vietnam Vets were "spit on" when they arrived home. It didn't happen. They were greeted with apathy.

Stop watching Rambo: First Blood and treating it as non-fiction.

As the son of a Vietnam veteran, you and your revisionist history can go fuck yourselves.

If I am going to choose the liar, I choose you, not actual people who lived it.

http://m.startribune.com/disrespect-for-vietnam-vets-is-fact-not-fiction/160444095/
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But Lembcke is refuted by many other sources, including Jim Lindgren, a Northwestern University law professor who cited news accounts that documented many spitting incidents. One example: A 1967 Bucks County Courier Times article reporting that two sailors were spat on outside a high school football game by a gang of about 10 young men. One of the sailors was stabbed.

 

[Elwood70]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

I'd love to ask my uncle if it happened to him, but I can't. He didn't make it back.

 

[Jagger69]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

Thanks to your Dad (and all who served) for his (their) service, even though the fucked-up war he was fighting wasn't even close to being worth the risk to his or anyone else's life for that matter. Good read on the article as well. I think it's a reasonably fair representation of some isolated incidents that took place back in the day to the best of my recollection. However, spitting on returning servicemen never came close to being even remotely as popular as the "chicken dance" or even the "ice bucket challenge" eventually did so it wasn't exactly an epidemic but it always made the news whenever some fuckheads would try to denigrate returning vets in such an outrageous manner.

I have a number of friends who went to 'Nam. The best man at my wedding lost his right leg in 1972. He was attached to an air cavalry squadron that was supposed to be "advising" the ARVN troops in an effort to allow them to eventually take over the fight. Unfortunately, he was seriously wounded before that could happen. Another friend got burned so badly that I can't even describe it (he was in the wrong place, wrong time). Still others came back all fucked up in the head (there was no PTSD diagnosis back then. They called it "battle fatigue") or addicted to drugs. Vietnam sucked.

 

[bodie54]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

Some really outstanding, informative posts here by Jagger and xfire.

Having also lived through that time there's not much I can add except that a great many vets returned to find themselves disowned and disdained by both sides. By the right for not having "the right stuff". For being the first American servicemen to "lose" a war. For shaming us somehow. While on the left, the fury at the government was so intense that for many it did at times bleed over into wrongly and unwittingly one-to-one associating those in the military with those in the government. In the end the reality of the situation proved to be a learning lesson for those who suffered from that kind of myopia at the time.

 

[sean miguel]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

Some really outstanding, informative posts here by Jagger and xfire.

Having also lived through that time there's not much I can add except that a great many vets returned to find themselves disowned and disdained by both sides. By the right for not having "the right stuff". For being the first American servicemen to "lose" a war. For shaming us somehow. While on the left, the fury at the government was so intense that for many it did at times bleed over into wrongly and unwittingly one-to-one associating those in the military with those in the government. In the end the reality of the situation proved to be a learning lesson for those who suffered from that kind of myopia at the time.

Right. By both sides. :fucking whatever:

And which democrat party lost that war? And created a refugee crisis. the more things change ...

 

[bodie54]

Re: Google "beiing a soldier is stupid" Is that sentiment coming from the right or the left?

Vietnam sucked.

Man ain't that the truth. So lucky I was a very few years short of ending up there. Had an uncle and a cousin KIA there. Just a living nightmare.