god belief

[Ax3C]

When asked to defend religion, as soon as a Christian brings up the bible as evidence, with the first story, (the setup of Adam and Eve) I can usually send them running with their tails between their legs.

Normally, this would be my queue to open my mouth and defend Christianity simply because it's my chosen faith, but I tire of this ridiculous crap. It's not really worth the time nor the effort I would expend in a futile argument with someone who refuses to see it all from another perspective or viewpoint.

Here's how it is, folks ... some everyday common sense that applies to anything and everything:

BELIEVE IN WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IN AND ACCEPT OTHERS FOR DOING THE SAME ... be it Satanism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Taoism, Shintoism, Atheism, Agnosticism, or whatever "ism" or ideology you can ***** of.

Just don't make it a ******* contest. It serves no fucking purpose. :hatsoff:

 

[bal]

Normally, this would be my queue to open my mouth and defend Christianity simply because it's my chosen faith, but I tire of this ridiculous crap. It's not really worth the time nor the effort I would expend in a futile argument with someone who refuses to see it all from another perspective or viewpoint.

Not to stir up the pot there partner. But I have been on the other side of the fence. I have seen the Christian viewpoint. I was a Christian for a good portion of my life. Long story short, reading the bible from cover to cover turned me into a non-believer.

BELIEVE IN WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IN AND ACCEPT OTHERS FOR DOING THE SAME ... be it Satanism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Taoism, Shintoism, Atheism, Agnosticism, or whatever "ism" or ideology you can ***** of.

It seems you categorized atheism as a belief. I'm curious, how exactly is my disbelief in wild claims, which by the way, carry 0 evidence, require belief? If I didn't know any better, to disbelieve an unsupported claim requires no faith at all.

 

[calpoon]

because you gotta bee leeve in not belleeving in the beleiving of beliefs.

 

[jamrak]

I am atheist.
I find religion dangerous in some cases, harmful in many cases, and in general I find it conflicting with common sense.

Some people are "a little bit" religious. This's especially strange to my mind. When people consider themselfs to be christians, and at the same time deal with precepts very flippantly. They interpret religion as they want it. When it is comfortable - they are religious, until it contradicts with their desires and own thoughts.
The same stuff with "muslim" people. Sometimes it looks like kinda fashion. All that rappers telling that they are "muslims", but at the sme time dancing with undressed bitches, sniffing **** and definately not giving a flying fuck about orders of the Koran. They became "true muslims" only when they need some kinda show-off.
All that "little bit religious" people, no matter what religion they adopt, are so strange because of that duplicity and dishonesty. I always want to ask them "why the hell do you pretend to be christian, if you know perfectly well that you do not follow preceptions? what for do you need that show off, that imitating, that cross?" I think that starting from religion, it is even worse when people imitate their faith but behave themselfs in a sinful way, rather than if they even do not imitate, and admit openly that they are atheists and neglect religion. It's just like saying "oh yeah, I am a christian... and yeah, smoking weed and fucking with all those bithces is a sin, but you know... do not be boring, I am just having a rest... eee.. and in general it is 21 century now, you know what I am saying?" All that stuff is based on a lie. The idea of negation of your desires and abstention is completely wrong and mendacious.

But those people who are trully & consistently religious are even more shocking to me. When I hear some preachers telling us what is good and what is wrong it makes me sick. sanctimony, lie, hypocrisy and nonsense is what I feel about their sermons.

 

[bal]

because you gotta bee leeve in not belleeving in the beleiving of beliefs.

Now that assertion is what bothers me. I admit, there is not hard data, factual evidence to prove nor disprove God. One can very well exist outside of the realm of my expierence, but until I'm shown proof, I will continue being an atheist. I, nor do most atheists actually assert that there is no God, only that we lack a belief in one. There is no evidence to lead a person to a God belief, right? If yes, there's no rational reason to believe that such exists. It's kinda like saying to someone that they don't have a reason to believe in Santa Claus. Sure, you can't prove there's no Santa- but the mere fact that nobody in recorded human history has ever come into contact with him is enough reason for me to not believe in him.

Now, onto your point. I think you are trying to say that the faith is in the denial. But if we speak about God the exact same way we speak about, I don't know, purple smurfs, then I think we'd both be non-believer's, wouldn't you say so? Atheism is pure and simple a lack of belief. There isn't any joint statement atheists can make except that, "I lack a God belief". Nothing to comply with, no philosphical outlooks, nada. Atheism is based on reason alone, not believing or faith. It's perfectly reasonable to assume, in the absence of evidence, that there is no God, the same way you assume that no purple smurfs exist. No belief required. ¿Entiendes?

 

[Ax3C]

It seems you categorized atheism as a belief. I'm curious, how exactly is my disbelief in wild claims, which by the way, carry 0 evidence, require belief? If I didn't know any better, to disbelieve an unsupported claim requires no faith at all.

Um ... because it IS a system of belief based upon NON-BELIEF???

www.Google.com - DEFINE: ATHEISM

What is Atheism Really All About? (1996)

What is an Atheist?

An atheist is a person who does not believe that any gods exist.

Ergo ... it a system of belief / faith in which there exists a belief in no higher power or god-like figure-head.

Ergo ... I'm sorry, but your post is severely flawed in factual information.

Cogito, ergo sum

:hatsoff::thumbsup:

 

[Roughneck]

it a system of belief / faith in which there exists a belief in no higher power or god-like figure-head.

Actually, it is "it a philosophy* in which there exists NO belief in a higher power or god-like figure-head."

How do you conclude "no belief" = "belief" ?!

The problem is the origin of the word, not it's context.

The popular misconception is that athiesm is a "belief" system of it's own - which is grossly incorrect. Atheists don't say "I reject yahwey/Allah/Ganesh". Atheists simply say "I deny the concept of god". Then there is "positive atheism" and "negative atheism".

Atheism isn't a religion - hence to tie it to the word "belief" in the same contexts as "belief, as in faith, as understood by theism" is incorrect.



cheers,

* : The Germans have a word in their language called "weltanschauung". It's use is most appropriate in this case.

 

[bal]

Um ... because it IS a system of belief based upon NON-BELIEF???

www.Google.com - DEFINE: ATHEISM

What is Atheism Really All About? (1996)

Look, if someone posited that the chupacabra of puerto rico is indeed real, and sucks the ***** out of goats every Sunday night, would it take faith on your part to disbeleive that claim? Atheism itself is not a system of belief.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/259136.htm

Exactly like the article says, theism is not a belief system. The prefix "a" simply denotes without a belief. Do you hold a belief about purple donkey's? No, then you'd be correctly termed "apurpledonkeyist". But unless we're explicitly talking about purple donkey's, that term is useless.

One faction of theism is Christianity. That is a belief system. A Christian goes to church functions, doesn't swear, whatever. It is a club of sorts. Just because atheists don't have a God concept doesn't make it a club itself. Categorizing atheism as a beleif is an inherently dishonest attempt at leveling the playing field.

I'm sorry sarge, but your post is severely flawed in any relevent information.

 

[Member2019]

The difficulty in explaining that ...

Exactly like the article says, theism is not a belief system. The prefix "a" simply denotes without a belief.

The difficulty in explaining that is that people assume you must believe something, because they do or cannot fathom either believing God does or doesn't exist.

I have the same problem between Democrats and Republicans too.

 

[Iamforever]

Re: The difficulty in explaining that ...

The difficulty in explaining that is that people assume you must believe something, because they do or cannot fathom either believing God does or doesn't exist.

I have the same problem between Democrats and Republicans too.

but, we all believe in something. even nihilists.

 

[Member2019]

Incorrect!

but, we all believe in something. even nihilists.

No, not true.
We can choose to not believe in anything, in any direction.
That's the problem, people think you must.
And people who think such cannot be "open minded" at all.

It's not even about "tolerance" but "indifference," which is not always a bad thing.

 

[Eluz0ria]

"Why do so many people say: "No, I dont belive in God!",
but if something bad happen they say:
"Oh my god, why did you do that?" !?
So if something good happened it wasnt god but yourself and your intelligence or luck and everything is fine but is there an earthquake or an tsunami or something like that its god who did these bad things, huh?
Shame on you! "

Yeah I know this post died, like, a million years ago in internet years, but the sentiment expressed here is so fucking retarded that I have to comment.

Do you see what I did there? I peppered that sentence with colorful phraseology that linguists like to call "figures of speech". It's a way to express an emotion or combination of emotions when the importance of conveying a more precise level of intensity of aforementioned emotion is far more important than the actual meaning of the words, to the point that literally interpreting the words would be illogical or ludicrous . For example, when I stated that this thread died "like, a million years ago in internet years", I am in no way stating that I think the internet is a sentient being capable of keeping track of time. Rather, I'm using sarcasm and wit to acknowledge that I know my statement is inherently absurd by making a statement one would normally make about *******. In the next sentence, I am not stating that your sentiment is making love to a slow person. I'm saying you sound like an idiot.

Much like when I say "Oh my god." I'm simply expressing extreme disbelief, not making a statement about theism.

 

[DR. B]

Does anyone know if God has had sex before?

 

[averageJoe]

I am agnostic. I say that rather than atheist because I am not sure if I believe the "big bang theory" and evolution theory in its entirety. Plus atheists are viewed as assholes who want to ban all religion, I do not. But I definitely don't believe there is a god of any kind and think it is silly to believe so. But I will say don't preach to me and try to convert me, leave me alone. I support YOUR right to religion in full. Support mine as well.