Girl Power (protest)

[Luu]

You're in luck, since feminism isn't about the hatred of men, it's about striving for equality for women. Describing feminism as "hatred towards men" is like describing the Emancipation Proclamation as "injustice against white people".

It also doesn't involve women acting like men. In fact "Girl Power" was very much sex-positive and about retaining and affirming femininity.

I think one of the problems here is that there are so many forms of feminism. Man-haters do exist, even if they are few.

Thing is, we tend to hear those who scream loudest, or express the most extreme viewpoint, and that is how "Nazifeminism" became a thing, along with "gender fascism". It does exist, we've just alowed the few to dominate the debate. By giving them air time.

 

[BigSwede]

I think it is comical when someone tries to be what he/she not really are.

How do you know?

 

[assari]

How do you know?

How do I know it?

Well, it is easy to notice when someone is playing a role.

 

[xfire]

How do I know it?

Well, it is easy to notice when someone is playing a role.

You're just really good at yours so you have a performance bias.

 

[BigSwede]

How do I know it?

Well, it is easy to notice when someone is playing a role.

Everyone is playing a role on stage.
Why do you single out girls?

 

[assari]

You're just really good at yours so you have a performance bias.

I am myself all the time.

 

[assari]

Everyone is playing a role on stage.
Why do you single out girls?

It's not my business how someone behaves, but my opinion is that the roles are unnecessary.

Be yourself all the time and this advice does not apply to women only.

 

[BigSwede]

It's not my business how someone behaves, but my opinion is that the roles are unnecessary.

Be yourself all the time and this advice does not apply to women only.

And yet the whole thread is about you pointing out women.

 

[assari]

And yet the whole thread is about you pointing out women.

Do not worry, I could also make a thread which deal with "Man Power".

 

[BigSwede]

Do not worry, I could also make a thread which deal with "Man Power".

Why don´t you?

 

[assari]

Why don´t you?

I need to first explore the topic.

 

[BigSwede]

I need to first explore the topic.

Just look at your own prejudice like you did with this thread.

 

[assari]

Just look at your own prejudice like you did with this thread.

So you're saying that I'm wrong.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

I think one of the problems here is that there are so many forms of feminism. Man-haters do exist, even if they are few.

Thing is, we tend to hear those who scream loudest, or express the most extreme viewpoint, and that is how "Nazifeminism" became a thing, along with "gender fascism". It does exist, we've just alowed the few to dominate the debate. By giving them air time.

That's not how "feminazi" came into being though. We actually know exactly how that came about. It stems from misogynists, specially from Rush Limbaugh who popularized the term (he claims a friend of his came up with it) by using it to slander legitimate feminists with worthwhile causes. While there are certainly fringe elements in any movement, this was during the Feminist Sex Wars, where the movement became incredibly polarized, and that conflict was well publicized. So the views of the mainstream elements were very much at the forefront, and while many liberals didn't agree with the anti-pornography branch, and many conservatives didn't agree with the sex-positive feminists, no one who wasn't a misogynist could claim to believe that the movement was about "man haters" because any fringe minority viewpoints were shoved to the background to focus on the rift between the two dominant viewpoints.

 

[BigSwede]

So you're saying that I'm wrong.

Yes.

 

[Luu]

That's not how "feminazi" came into being though. We actually know exactly how that came about. It stems from misogynists, specially from Rush Limbaugh who popularized the term (he claims a friend of his came up with it) by using it to slander legitimate feminists with worthwhile causes. While there are certainly fringe elements in any movement, this was during the Feminist Sex Wars, where the movement became incredibly polarized, and that conflict was well publicized. So the views of the mainstream elements were very much at the forefront, and while many liberals didn't agree with the anti-pornography branch, and many conservatives didn't agree with the sex-positive feminists, no one who wasn't a misogynist could claim to believe that the movement was about "man haters" because any fringe minority viewpoints were shoved to the background to focus on the rift between the two dominant viewpoints.

I stand corrected on that term, then. I wasn't aware of its specific history.

 

[HappyHapyJoyJoy]

I stand corrected on that term, then. I wasn't aware of its specific history.

Mm. I'm pretty sure that most of the hatred of feminism at this point, which mainly came from the Right Wing (where there's a heavy evangelical presence), is due to the fact that among the major issues both of the feminist camps were trying to tackle and could generally find consensus on included abortion and birth control access. Obviously that wouldn't fly well with conservatives, so the movement as a whole was derided and defamed by the Right. "Feminazi" was just leveled as an invective and applied to any and all feminists, any thought and feelings concerning men were irrelevant. Hell, Limbaugh famously applied the term to Susan Sarandon, who has never exactly struck me as a militant man hater... :dunno: