General McChrystal ousted

[titsrock]

:o So much for my theory that McChrystal wanted to leave with a "bang" and sashay over to the comfort of FixedNoise and a possible Congressional run someplace...

McChrystal Banned Fox News From Headquarters: Marc Ambinder

General Stanley McChrystal banned Fox News from his headquarters, according to The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder.

Ambinder wrote Wednesday (via Michael Calderone) that McChrystal is a liberal [:glugglug:], and added in the detail about Fox News to flesh out the point:

Even more about McChrystal: now it can be told. The story about him voting for Obama is not contrived. He is a political liberal. He is a social liberal. He banned Fox News from the television sets in his headquarters. Yes, really. This puts to rest another false rumor: that McChrystal deliberately precipitated his firing because he wants to run for President. [:o whoops, sorry General]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/24/mcchrystal-banned-fox-new_n_623884.html

 

[thapie]

i was mildly surprised when i heard the news this morning.i had thought it might drag on for a bit with both parties saying they had cleared the air and so forth.

 

[Supafly]

Whatever your political affiliation is, you have to admire the way Obama handles things. He could have played the "tough cowboy" and publicly undressed this guy the way his predacessors would have, but he handled it behind closed doors with dignity. That's "Presidential". :thumbsup:

Exactly.

Of course, Obama could not accept anything like this.

But imagine the Bushes (Senior and Junior) in this situation. Whoa there would be a massive amount of muscle play in front of the press and so on

Guess Double-Yuh would have Dick Cheney shoot him in the face ^^

 

[Trident1]

Interesting how the liberal side of the media praises Petraeus while in '07 they practically villified him when he commanded troops in Iraq. I think the far left called him "Betraeus" back then.

 

[Legzman]

what did he say in the rolling stone article that got him fired?

 

[titsrock]

^
Feelin' a bit lazy today are we?

 

[Facetious]

Good for McChrystal, I hope that he makes a run for president in '12! and maybe unseats the unworthy president who didn't give him the time of day for how many months after being elected? The longest in all of history I'd be willing to wager. and what's with this sudden fanfare for General P? Weren't the libs referring to him as General ''Betray-us'' during the bush presidency?

There is certainly precedent for this.
Truman cashiered McCarthur.
Lincoln endured repeated offenses (and failures) by McClellan, in main because McClellan was so popular with his men, but finally sent him packing.

Precedent Scmrecedent, most of the time when a president has a problem with one of their Generals it's nothing more than a showdown of egos, with the General typically being the better and more accomplished man.:2 cents:

 

[titsrock]

^
Are you aware there's like an oil spill that has Obama's attention now? Before that there was Healthcare, then the Stimulus...then Pakistan..it's been one fire after another for Obama. It ain't like Obama's been sitting in the Oval Office with his legs on the desk smoking a cigar all day long...:dunno:

Didn't McChrystal have Obama's telephone number? :o

Petraeus is a holdover from the Dark Dubya Daze...don't you remember "The Petraeus Report" he delivered on the Hill in '07? Petraeus pretty much relied on Dubya's stats when he did his song and dance in front of Congress...that didn't make him many friends on Team Donkey...

 

[bustybbwlover]

that's a big fubar so i'm not surprised he was replaced, what bothers me is the fact that obama took overnight to replace him when he's taking fuck all long to do anything/everything else

 

[Duff]

The people in charge, definitely needed to show they were in charge.

 

[Roughneck]

The military is a paragon of discipline

Paragon? Paragon?!! :1orglaugh

Jessica Lynch. Pat Tillman. Abu Ghraib.
Et Cetera. Et Cetera.

"Paragon of Discipline" MY ASS!
The current US military bears little resemblance to the one I found myself "serving in" in the late 60s/early 70s. I bears NO resemblance to the one my Father served in during the Korean "Police Action".

and he crossed the line.

*shock* *horror* He told a President that he was incompetent and so was his staff.

Would you rather that Stan never disagree with the "Commander in Chief" and carry out all orders and policy as spoken and ordered?

He committed political suicide when he did....what in the world was he thinking??!! :dunno:

Maybe, just maybe, he was actually "thinking" - rather than trying to score brownie points?

Too bad because he is (was) a good commander in so many ways.

How?

Alternatively, Petraeus is a terrific choice to supplant him and I believe that there will be little partisan dissent over his appointment as McChrystal's replacement.

How often (and how successful) HAS 'partisan dissent' been to the appointment of a general since the War of Northern Aggression ?

what did he say in the rolling stone article that got him fired?

Read the aticle: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

cheers,


A few thoughts:

* "Should a general or any officer or member of the Militia"... errr, excuse me! I forgot that we're ignoring the Constitution. Let's try that again:
"Should a general or any other officer of the armed forces/military be more concerned about "career" than "doing what's right" or "what's ordered"?"

* I'm not sure if the comparison to MacArthur is appropriate. MacArthur was a douchebag, comparable to "Bull" Halsey. In any case, McChrystal was [and IMHO, is] no Smedley Butler.

* If there's a General I respect (and THAT's a REAL short list!) - it is ol' "Gimlet Eye" hisself. He dared to go against 'social convention' - he stated (publicly!) that his military service was in vain and that it served 'private' over 'national' interests. How many generals or other officers do you know who've done such a thing?

* If there ever was any "required reading" for young (or old) folks desiring to join the military; I'd submit three books: "All Quiet On The Western Front" by Erich Maria Remarque, "War Is A Racket" by Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler and "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman.

 

[Ulysses31]

He should've been demoted 1 rank every month until he hit Private and then be given the chair for treason

 

[georges]

oh well, he spoke loudly what the others where thinking low profile and it is what got him fired.

 

[Hot Mega]

*shock* *horror* He told a President that he was incompetent and so was his staff.

Would you rather that Stan never disagree with the "Commander in Chief" and carry out all orders and policy as spoken and ordered?

Maybe, just maybe, he was actually "thinking" - rather than trying to score brownie points?

A few thoughts:

* "Should a general or any officer or member of the Militia"... errr, excuse me! I forgot that we're ignoring the Constitution. Let's try that again:
"Should a general or any other officer of the armed forces/military be more concerned about "career" than "doing what's right" or "what's ordered"?"

No problem with any of that. Just tell it directly to your superiors (not some magazine)and let the chips fall where they may or resign your post then do it.:dunno:

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Has he done anal or ir yet?

 

[Jagger69]

Paragon? Paragon?!! :1orglaugh

Jessica Lynch. Pat Tillman. Abu Ghraib.
Et Cetera. Et Cetera.

"Paragon of Discipline" MY ASS!
The current US military bears little resemblance to the one I found myself "serving in" in the late 60s/early 70s. I bears NO resemblance to the one my Father served in during the Korean "Police Action".

*shock* *horror* He told a President that he was incompetent and so was his staff.

Would you rather that Stan never disagree with the "Commander in Chief" and carry out all orders and policy as spoken and ordered?

Maybe, just maybe, he was actually "thinking" - rather than trying to score brownie points?

How?

How often (and how successful) HAS 'partisan dissent' been to the appointment of a general since the War of Northern Aggression ?

Read the aticle: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

cheers,


A few thoughts:

* "Should a general or any officer or member of the Militia"... errr, excuse me! I forgot that we're ignoring the Constitution. Let's try that again:
"Should a general or any other officer of the armed forces/military be more concerned about "career" than "doing what's right" or "what's ordered"?"

* I'm not sure if the comparison to MacArthur is appropriate. MacArthur was a douchebag, comparable to "Bull" Halsey. In any case, McChrystal was [and IMHO, is] no Smedley Butler.

* If there's a General I respect (and THAT's a REAL short list!) - it is ol' "Gimlet Eye" hisself. He dared to go against 'social convention' - he stated (publicly!) that his military service was in vain and that it served 'private' over 'national' interests. How many generals or other officers do you know who've done such a thing?

* If there ever was any "required reading" for young (or old) folks desiring to join the military; I'd submit three books: "All Quiet On The Western Front" by Erich Maria Remarque, "War Is A Racket" by Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler and "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman.

Wow. I'm surprised you didn't do a grammar and spellcheck on my post while you were at it Roughneck. :1orglaugh I don't have the time nor the interest to respond to every snippet you chose to rip apart but I will say that the military is supposed to be a paragon of discipline. Like every human endeavor, it often falls short. That doesn't mean these shortcomings should be ignored when they happen. Also, there's a huge difference between disagreeing with a CIC and showing public disrespect for him. That's where he crossed the line.

By the way, I'm old, not thinking of joining the military and I have read at least one of the books you reference so hopefully that entitles me to at least have an opinion on the subject.