Freeom of Speech, Violence, Myspace & Social Networks vs. Vicky Vette

[Vicky Vette]

Freedom of speech and censorship on internet...

You are right Vicki, there is more and more censorship and less and less freedom of most things that are non-mainstream.

What you are facing now as an adult actress, other people are facing it in other activities.

Internet became big and powerful with new innovative technology very rapidly. The censors (whoever they are) took a while to catch up but now they are catching up and starting to close sites and to control others.

This is what happened in the last 2 months to sites that I used to visit :
My 5 favorite sites to share music (very good and well organized) have been closed.
Three of my favorite pornblogs have been closed... another one saw all his clips deleted. The guys have to re-upload everything.
A site that was showing artsy bondage photographs (not porn.... artsy erotic artistic pictures) was forced to close.

And I know of many others...

It is like this for many non-mainstream acivities and I would add for all non-mainstrean political ideas.

The freedom we used to have on the net will be more and more restricted, and those who will pay the most are all the marginal or fringe activities and ideas.

Sure some jerks used that freedom to promote hatred and trash (neo-fascism, etc...) but others promoted different and valuable ways of thinking and living and don't be surprise if you find out that the hatred and trash sites will last longer than the others.

It is worse than you guys think. I agree with this completely. If myspace and youtube are taking the place of televisions and communications between adults, then they should be held to the same standards as the FCC... which just had its' banning of Janet Jackson fine overtuned by the Courts. Youtube and Myspace etc are now turning into places of expression for artists, musicians and yes pornstars. If they delete a band's song, they are restricting freedom of expression..... My page is for 18 and over only and is restricted yet I am being told I cannot reasonably express myself. I can role over and just do nothing, but I have gotten countless notes from other non-porn people saying that they are being deleted or having their blogs altered in the middle of the night.

I think if you are advertising yourself as a place for people to come and express themselves, if you are not expressing yourself in a way that you can be put in jail for obscenity or attracting minors or using profane language, then the social networks should have no business fucking with freedom of expression - excuse my french. They deleted a video of my tongue.......... yes my tongue............



Don't forget folks.... vote4vette...... http://www.vote4vette.com :nanner:

 

[Roughneck]

Hi Vicki,

I'm sorry - but freedom of speech and expression doesn't apply to MySpace and You Tube any more than it applies to Freeones or hell, my home.

You don't own MySpace.
You don't own You Tube.

The folks that own these establishments get to decide what's ok and what's not (just as you get to decide what's appropriate content for your website).


BUT, with that being said...
I agree with you that the internet is fast replacing "normal media" and places like My Space and You Tube are great for artists and Joe Schmoe to get their material out there. It's never been as easy to 'publish' and 'market' as it is today - and it's only going to get better.

I oppose the FCC and other regulatory "authorities" - faceless beaureucrats cannot and should not decide what's 'appropriate' for adults to watch (and for those who can't comprehend a cogent argument, I'll save y'all the trouble and say: children are the responsibility of the parents i.e. adults).

All these idiots arguing for regulating the internet bother me.
Mightily.

cheers,

 

[Supafly]

I once saw a cartoon that brought this to a point:

A family sitting in front of their TV set, watching a hanged man. Then the camera lowered to show his final erection. The parents quickly covered their kids eyes.

Watching Saddam hang or people getting shot is no big deal, that is fine it seems. But watching people making love instead of hate must be kind of dangerous. Maybe that is what made our world the messed up place it is today.

 

[georges]

A too politically correct is what is happening nowadays because of rules and restrictions that are set in place by a government but which are not always justified. The hate is taught or learnt when an incident happened in a family or when something irreparable has been committed.Also you must always remember about says the famous latin saying : "Homo mene lupus" which means "The man is a wolf for the man." Also one of the reasons why the hatred is still of our world. I have always been fine with an opened discussion in a direct and straightforward way where everyone respects everyone. When the liberty of expression and intellectual property are censored, controlled and monitored, we are living in the suspicious bureaucracy society. It happened before in the late 60's-70's with Allen Dulles who was one of the heads of the CIA made opened several thousand of letters as well as eavesdropping on private phone call conversations to see who was a communist or not.

 

[D-rock]

Myspace has never been logical when it comes to things it deletes.

 

[Friday on my mind]

I beleive Myspace is owned by Rupert Murdoch owner of Fox news,many newspapers etc.Very well known for his right wing beliefs,not saying that is playing a role here but it's possible I guess.

 

[shayd]

I beleive Myspace is owned by Rupert Murdoch owner of Fox news,many newspapers etc.Very well known for his right wing beliefs,not saying that is playing a role here but it's possible I guess.

You're right it is, but the whole MySpace platform just makes me uneasy. The whole way the system works seems backwords. The site is built to appeal to a younger crowd primarily, which is does very well. Problem is, they get a bunch of unwanted people with it.

For every legit young person on there, there's probably 10 or 15 bots and pedophiles. Finding and removing these things? Forget it, they don't even really bother anymore. But remove a legitimate user? They're ALL over that.:dunno:

One of the many reasons for my distaste of that site.

 

[Supafly]

Well, there are a couple of adult industry people doing pretty well on myspace, especially Belladonna. And she does it real good.

Maybe Vicky should upload a mirror site if her myspace page sumwhere so we can see what is different and what we talk about?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Welcome to medieval America. Fact is, you have no freedom of speech. You have far more freedoms then most, but like someone else posted, privately owned companies can and will bend to the will of their sponsors, contributers, and/or groups on a crusade. If you followed the rules, and stuck to them, chances are some uptight, orgasm free mommy walked in while her son and his friends were ogling you, and she went ape shit, called her church group to launch their campaign of moral righteousness...and here you are, fucked without even getting a kiss.

 

[Torre82]

Welcome to medieval America. Fact is, you have no freedom of speech. You have far more freedoms then most, but like someone else posted, privately owned companies can and will bend to the will of their sponsors, contributers, and/or groups on a crusade. If you followed the rules, and stuck to them, chances are some uptight, orgasm free mommy walked in while her son and his friends were ogling you, and she went ape shit, called her church group to launch their campaign of moral righteousness...and here you are, fucked without even getting a kiss.

G_d I love fucking orgasm-free mommies. Tight old cunts... like a second virginity, it is! HIDE YOUR MOTHERS I'M ON MY WAY!

 

[shayd]

G_d I love fucking orgasm-free mommies. Tight old cunts... like a second virginity, it is! HIDE YOUR MOTHERS I'M ON MY WAY!

Makes me look at soccer moms a whole new way :1orglaugh

 

[Torre82]

Makes me look at soccer moms a whole new way :1orglaugh

Look? At soccer moms?

Well.. you can watch me take her if you want. I wont charge you for the show but she might. You know how those soccer moms love their socially acceptable drugs. Adderall, valium, etc..

 

[Roughneck]

Fact is, you have no freedom of speech. You have far more freedoms then most, but like someone else posted, privately owned companies can and will bend to the will of their sponsors, contributers, and/or groups on a crusade.

Property Rights is the founding Right - from which all other Rights are derived.

You cannot have "Freedom of Speech" if you do not have the Right to Own(ership of) Property (and "Property" involves things made of more than brick and mortar - it involves things such as your body and your mind).

How?

To put it simply - You "own" you body. You "own" your mind. Thus you "own" what you "say or think".

cheers,

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Property Rights is the founding Right - from which all other Rights are derived.

You cannot have "Freedom of Speech" if you do not have the Right to Own(ership of) Property (and "Property" involves things made of more than brick and mortar - it involves things such as your body and your mind).

How?

To put it simply - You "own" you body. You "own" your mind. Thus you "own" what you "say or think".

cheers,

I would be willing to bet that the "terms of use" agreement states, you give up all rights of ownership by posting, and furthermore, it most likely states that user gives up all rights, and privileges...blah, blah...I see your point, I agree, but these people see things through the eyes of a greedy, blood thirsty law firm, not a logical mind that values the Constitution, and what it stands for.

 

[calpoon]

freedom of speech only applies to public domain. the internet is a private establishment, with sites and servers being the property of their respective owners that are leased out to users (service) per TOS agreement.

But oddly enough, due to the ubiquity of the internet presence, it is generally regarded and treated as public domain and has even been used as such for judicial precedent. that attitude coupled with the individual anonymity of use has allowed for the wide varied amount of content, much of it being far more scandalous than would be typically allowed for the real public or in customary private enterprise.

it seems to be a clear case of hypocrisy when it comes to Myspace dot com- what you post on there is considered public, but their ability to regulate content falls under the heading of private use.

I think that maybe someone does have a case, they can cite precedent where myspace use has been deemed public as the basis for a censorship suit. But it's probably not worth the time, and I'm sure Tom's number one friend spot is for his legal team.

 

[Johann Splooge]

Who cares. Fight for something worth while. On second thought no one will take you seriously so stick to the cock.

 

[Roughneck]

but these people see things through the eyes of a greedy, blood thirsty law firm, not a logical mind that values the Constitution, and what it stands for.

You're missing the point: Myspace isn't putting a gun to anybody's head and forcing them to use their service.

Don't like the way they do business?
Don't use it.
Or start up your own service...


Again - this isn't an issue of "free speech".

cheers,

 

[georges]

You're missing the point: Myspace isn't putting a gun to anybody's head and forcing them to use their service.

Don't like the way they do business?
Don't use it.
Or start up your own service...


Again - this isn't an issue of "free speech".

cheers,

It is more a matter whether you accept to play with myspace rules or not something else and it is the same thing everywhere .

 

[Mr. Daystar]

You're missing the point: Myspace isn't putting a gun to anybody's head and forcing them to use their service.

Don't like the way they do business?
Don't use it.
Or start up your own service...


Again - this isn't an issue of "free speech".

cheers,

Yeah, I guess I did...of course you could have made it easy on me by just saying this....
Don't like the way they do business?
Don't use it.
But yes, you are correct, and yes, I missed your point

 

[squallumz]

ive said it once and ill say it a million more times, fuck myspace!