France Legalizes Gay Marriage After Harsh Debate, Violent Protests

[Johan]

These laws weren't passed by force, they've been voted in the Assemblée Nationale (equivalent of the US Senate) and the Sénat (equivalent of the US Chamber of Representatives) and those in favours of the law won in both.

Also, gay-marriage and adoption for gay couples were in Hollande's presidential program. If the people didn't wanted that law to be passed, all what they had to do was not to vote for Hollande. Once the president is elected you can't blame it for doing what he said he would do. You can blame it for not doing it or for doing what he said he wouldn'ty do but not for doing what he sais he would.


The street (= the protesters) have the right to speak up but the street do not rule the country
Jean-François Raffarin, former french Prime Minister (2002-2005) about pension reform law he and his government passed, despite the huge protests.

 

[Will E Worm]

Obama has issued less executive orders than any president of the last 100 years. Please explain how a legislative body requiring majorities to pass legislation is passing legislation "by force".

Lies. Don't spread them.

 

[xfire]

Lies. Don't spread them.

Not lies. These things are easy to verify, unless of course, you're claiming that Obama has passed secret Executive Orders. Is that what you're suggesting?

 

[Johan]

Lies. Don't spread them.

http://heathenrepublican.blogspot.fr/2012/10/on-unprecedented-use-of-executive-orders.html

 

[georges]

You actually defend people like this? You make the point that progressive laws shouldn't be passed because brutal scumbags are going to act like brutal scumbags? You think that laws should only be passed on the behalf of those who will resort to violence?

Do you understand how much like Will you are sounding right now?


You people all really do read from the same script, don't you?

Do you understand that by defending socialists 's program and that by changing mariage laws, you are lowering morals and are putting in danger the traditionnal mariage, do you? I am not defending them but I am telling you what will be arriving very soon. A referendum should have been made instead of passing these laws at the national assembly. I am not will so don't imply nor extrapolate what I haven't said.

This has nothing to do with the same script, it has to with president's credibility but Hollande is a douche with the lowest popularity rating approvals only 26% of scumbags who are happy with the job he has done.

 

[georges]

http://heathenrepublican.blogspot.fr/2012/10/on-unprecedented-use-of-executive-orders.html

According to the graphic, Obama passed more executive orders than Bush in 01-04 , don't deny it.

 

[georges]

The last century is calling you, georges. It's telling you to move the fuck on. Do you understand that as your generation dies off, your thinking will too? I mean, do you fundamentally understand that? Not all at once, of course, as children are naturally influenced by their folks. But the trends are certainly there. And as Jeep already pointed out, marriage is whatever we define it to be. I want it to be something gays can enjoy as well, because why the fuck not? Fortunately for me...and gay-folk...and a happy society as a whole...that's the direction it's going in.

We will politely agree to disagree. A mariage for me is between a man and a woman, it happens at a religious place whatever religion you are. I am well aware that with the next generation the way of thinking with low morals, almost no values and zero discipline is coming but if you like it, that is fine by me. I am really not for a society with low morals nor for a hippie society, just because 14 countries around the world legalized the gay marriage, does it make the other countries worldwide stupid or narrowminded??? Well to each their own, whatever makes you happy.

 

[Jeep!]

According to the graphic, Obama passed more executive orders than Bush in 01-04 , don't deny it.

Less than Bush overall, however. It's inaccurate to project until the end of his current term so to say he's likely to pass more or less than the norm is simply speculation, but it is evident that he's passing a lot less than most.

 

[Jeep!]

We will politely agree to disagree. A mariage for me is between a man and a woman, it happens at a religious place whatever religion you are. I am well aware that with the next generation the way of thinking with low morals, almost no values and zero discipline is coming but if you like it, that is fine by me. I am really not for a society with low morals nor for a hippie society, just because 14 countries around the world legalized the gay marriage, does it make the other countries worldwide stupid or narrowminded??? Well to each their own, whatever makes you happy.

Also, as I've already stated, marriage already is an institution with no morals, no values and zero discipline. Is a union between a rapist and a rape victim a moral thing? Is the union between an old man and a pre-pubescent child one full of integrity? Stop defending something that does not exist and never has.

 

[georges]

These laws weren't passed by force, they've been voted in the Assemblée Nationale (equivalent of the US Senate) and the Sénat (equivalent of the US Chamber of Representatives) and those in favours of the law won in both.

Also, gay-marriage and adoption for gay couples were in Hollande's presidential program. If the people didn't wanted that law to be passed, all what they had to do was not to vote for Hollande. Once the president is elected you can't blame it for doing what he said he would do. You can blame it for not doing it or for doing what he said he wouldn'ty do but not for doing what he sais he would.


The street (= the protesters) have the right to speak up but the street do not rule the country
Jean-François Raffarin, former french Prime Minister (2002-2005) about pension reform law he and his government passed, despite the huge protests.

Hollande is a douchebag and only 26% of people among the whole French population approve what this idiot does. Maybe I should precise exactly who are among his 26% of fanboys,it will cut the discussion short. Instead of focusing on economy and jobs, he focused on gay mariage. There are people who voted for Hollande but who now regret it very bitterly. People voted for Hollande for not having Sarkozy again but fact is that Hollande does far far worse than Sarkozy in his first presidency year. In less than a year to be only at 26% of favorable opinions, that is a record .

 

[georges]

Also, as I've already stated, marriage already is an institution with no morals, no values and zero discipline. Is a union between a rapist and a rape victim a moral thing? Is the union between an old man and a pre-pubescent child one full of integrity? Stop defending something that does not exist and never has.

Don't change the change subject please. When someone is married it takes place at a church or at a townhall, end of story. A rapist has its place in jail and same for a child predator. Only socialists view mariage between two persons of the same sex as a civil union, but in fact it is just a bogus bullshit mariage. I am not defending something that doesn't exist and you stop bullshitting. I don't like socialists and their stupid laws.

 

[Jeep!]

Don't change the change subject please. When someone is married it takes place at a church or at a townhall, end of story. A rapist has its place in jail and same for a child predator. Only socialists view mariage between two persons of the same sex as a civil union, but in fact it is just a bogus bullshit mariage. I am not defending something that doesn't exist and you stop bullshitting. I don't like socialists and their stupid laws.

I'm not changing the subject. The history of marriage as a religious rite has included everything I've mentioned, which are clearly outlined in the bible, the torah and the quran. You can't invent a new image of what marriage is out of whole cloth and ignore its history, while at the same time claiming to want to "protect" its traditions. Either marriage is a mutable and changeable rite which simply acts as a reflection of a loving bond regardless of the identities of those involved, or it's a shameful rite with a history of persecution and perversion. The marriage you claim to be defending simply does not exist in a vacuum.

 

[Mayhem]

Do you understand that by defending socialists 's program and that by changing mariage laws, you are lowering morals and are putting in danger the traditionnal mariage, do you? I am not defending them but I am telling you what will be arriving very soon. A referendum should have been made instead of passing these laws at the national assembly. I am not will so don't imply nor extrapolate what I haven't said.

This has nothing to do with the same script, it has to with president's credibility but Hollande is a douche with the lowest popularity rating approvals only 26% of scumbags who are happy with the job he has done.

I will say that changing marriage laws to what they are changing them to, they are raising moral standards. Civil rights are civil rights.

"Putting traditional marriage in danger"? Show me how. How is this going to cause straight couples from getting married? I have never seen any attempt at an explanation of how this is going to happen.

How France passed these laws is their business. You're not Will, and I'm not Piers Morgan. If they did it wrong, it's up to the courts to straighten (pun unintended) it out.

 

[Stoop_Dogg]

Do you understand that by defending socialists 's program and that by changing mariage laws, you are lowering morals and are putting in danger the traditionnal mariage, do you? I am not defending them but I am telling you what will be arriving very soon. A referendum should have been made instead of passing these laws at the national assembly. I am not will so don't imply nor extrapolate what I haven't said.

This has nothing to do with the same script, it has to with president's credibility but Hollande is a douche with the lowest popularity rating approvals only 26% of scumbags who are happy with the job he has done.

 

[Rattrap]

We will politely agree to disagree. A mariage for me is between a man and a woman, it happens at a religious place whatever religion you are. I am well aware that with the next generation the way of thinking with low morals, almost no values and zero discipline is coming but if you like it, that is fine by me. I am really not for a society with low morals nor for a hippie society, just because 14 countries around the world legalized the gay marriage, does it make the other countries worldwide stupid or narrowminded??? Well to each their own, whatever makes you happy.

I find ignorant bigotry inherently disrespectful, so I'm not sure how 'politely' I disagree with it.

 

[xfire]

"Conservative" opposition to social issues like gay marriage and abortion are merely strategic positions, not something they truly give a shit about. The republican party adopted the social agenda of the religious right during the Reagan years as a purely political power play. The smart, moneygrubbing, greedy, real republicans saw a political goldmine in the ignorant, bigoted, racist, intolerant bible thumpers in the south. What's really funny is how totally antithetical republican ideology is with true Christianity, but when you take the long view, how many christians really live up to the word of Christ anyway, so maybe it really is a perfect match.

 

[Johan]

A mariage for me is between a man and a woman, it happens at a religious place whatever religion you are.

This is totally stupid but the stupidity may not be fully understanble by non-french people 'cause you guys don't know the concept of laïcité.
France is a very secular couuntry, in 1905 the government passed the Law on the Separation of the Churches and the State and since that day everything that deals with religion has no place in the government, in government-funded stuff (like school or hospitals) and politics.
For examples, no visible religious signs are tolerated in public schools, wether they are christians cross, jewish kippahs or muslims kijabs.

Saying tha marriage happens in a religious place is deeply stupid 'cause, in this country, to the government, marriage happend in the Town Hall and, as long as the mayor of th city hasn't declared you husband and wife, to the government, you're not married. And even if the mayor did, to the church, you're not married.
The "gay marriage" law only concerns the "civil" marriage, the one that happens in the town hall, not the one that happend in a religious building.
So, religious marriage will still be between a man and a woman and will still happes at a religious place. But "civil"marriage will happen in a town hall and it will be between a man and a woman, two men or two women.