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France Legalizes Gay Marriage After Harsh Debate, Violent Protests

Mayhem

Banned
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/france-gay-marriage-law-_n_3139470.html

France legalized gay marriage on Tuesday after a wrenching national debate that has exposed deep social conservatism in the nation's heartland and triggered huge protests in Paris from both sides of the divide. Legions of officers with water cannon braced outside the National Assembly for possible violence on an issue that galvanized the country's faltering right.

The measure passed easily in the Socialist-majority Assembly, 331-225, just minutes after the president of the legislative body expelled a disruptive protester in pink, the color adopted by French opponents of gay marriage.

Justice Minister Christiane Taubira told lawmakers that the first weddings could be as soon as June.

"We believe that the first weddings will be beautiful and that they'll bring a breeze of joy, and that those who are opposed to them today will surely be confounded when they are overcome with the happiness of the newlyweds and the families," she said.

As night fell in Paris demonstrations by opponents of the law remained peaceful. Outside the parliament building on Paris' Left Bank there appeared to be more police than protestors.

Claire Baron, 41, a mother of two, said that she "will oppose the bill until the end."

"I'll keep going to the protests, I don't give in. The bill is not effective yet, the president of the Republic must listen to our voices. We are here to defend family values. Children need a mom and a dad," Baron said.

In recent weeks, violent attacks against gay couples have spiked and some legislators have received threats – including Bartelone, who got a gunpowder-filled envelope on Monday.

One of the biggest protests against same-sex marriage drew together hundreds of thousands of people bused in from the French provinces – conservative activists, schoolchildren with their parents, retirees, priests and others. That demonstration ended in blasts of tear gas, as right-wing rabble-rousers, some in masks and hoods, led the charge against police, damaging cars along the Champs-Elysees avenue and making a break for the presidential palace.

Following the vote members of the gay and lesbian community flocked to a square in central Paris, just behind City Hall, to celebrate the vote.

"I feel immense joy, gigantic joy," said 39-year old Sylvain Rouzel, "at last, everyone has the same rights. This is huge! France was lagging behind. We had to wait 14 years after the civil union to finally obtain the right to get married, with equal rights for everyone. I feel great!"

Paris' openly gay mayor, Bertrand Delanoe, was among the crowd of hundreds gathered for the street celebration in the Marais, the city's historic gay neighborhood.

When President Francois Hollande promised to legalize gay marriage, it was seen as relatively uncontroversial. The issue has become a touchstone as his popularity has sunk to unprecedented lows, largely over France's ailing economy.

But the most visible face in the fight against gay marriage – a former comedienne who goes by the name of Frigide Barjot – said the movement named "A Protest for Everyone" will continue beyond the law's passage and possibly field candidates in 2014 municipal elections. She said anyone involved in protest violence would be marginalized, but blamed the government for its failure to listen.

"The violence comes from the way in which this was imposed," Barjot told France Info radio.

French conservatives, decimated by infighting and the election loss of standard-bearer Nicolas Sarkozy, found common cause in opposing same-sex marriage. Hoping to keep the issue alive, the conservative UMP party planned to challenge the law in the Constitutional Council.

"The controversy that we've seen has been a stoked and manipulated controversy that's really kind of a last-ditch attempt to block the tide of history," said Evan Wolfson, president of the American activist group Freedom to Marry, which he said worked with the French on the bill. "I don't think it spoke to a deep or wide opposition among the French people."

French civil unions, allowed since 1999, are at least as popular among heterosexuals as among gay and lesbian couples. But that law has no provisions for adoption, and the strongest opposition in France as far as same-sex couples goes comes when children are involved. According to recent polls, just over half of French are opposed to adoption by same-sex couples – about the same number who said they favored same-sex marriage.

Christophe Crepin, spokesman for the police union UNSA, says the extraordinary security Tuesday includes a total of about 4,000 officers in the area near the National Assembly building and water cannon positioned nearby. One group of anti-riot police swarmed the banks of the Seine River about a quarter-mile from the legislature, hours before protests were scheduled there.

France is the 14th country to legalize gay marriage nationwide _and the most populous. On the cover of Tuesday's Liberation newspaper, the famed gay photographers Pierre and Gilles took over the front page and several of the inside pages, splashing them with some of their most provocative photos, including one of three soccer players – nude but for the footwear – facing the camera.

In New Zealand, where gay marriage enjoys popular support, people gathered outside Parliament and joined in singing a traditional Maori love ballad after a vote last week making it legal. Nine states and the District of Columbia in the U.S. also recognize such marriages, but the federal government does not.
 

ApolloBalboa

Was King of the Board for a Day
Congratulations on being progressive, you bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys. :clap:
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
:clap:
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
A welcome change. I knew Hollande was a good choice, even if his old missus was better-looking.

Worst choice ever with only 25% of satisfied French citizens with this president, we will see how good he will be at fixing the economy. Most of his ministers are socialist douchebags who already faced troubles with justice, like Fabius for the case of contamined blood back in 1986, Ayrault condamened not so long ago for fiscal fraud, Cahuzac one of the former ministers who has hidden his swiss bank account and was forced to resign, and Taubira the one who is the reason of the rise of criminality in France. Many people dislike and have a visceral hate against socialists, I understand them. This law won't make things better but jut worse, socialists wanted the war , they will get it.
 
Worst choice ever with only 25% of satisfied French citizens with this president, we will see how good he will be at fixing the economy. Most of his ministers are socialist douchebags who already faced troubles with justice, like Fabius for the case of contamined blood back in 1986, Ayrault condamened not so long ago for fiscal fraud, Cahuzac one of the former ministers who has hidden his swiss bank account and was forced to resign, and Taubira the one who is the reason of the rise of criminality in France. Many people dislike and have a visceral hate against socialists, I understand them. This law won't make things better but jut worse, socialists wanted the war , they will get it.

Explain to me how this law will make anything worse (and I will categorically not accept right-wing violence as an answer, as any stone-age reaction is solely the fault of those responsible, not of the cause they react to).
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Congratulations on being progressive, you bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys. :clap:

Beer just came out of my nose...and you owe me a keyboard.


Now they can surrender as couples...
 
Worst choice ever with only 25% of satisfied French citizens with this president, we will see how good he will be at fixing the economy. Most of his ministers are socialist douchebags who already faced troubles with justice, like Fabius for the case of contamined blood back in 1986, Ayrault condamened not so long ago for fiscal fraud, Cahuzac one of the former ministers who has hidden his swiss bank account and was forced to resign, and Taubira the one who is the reason of the rise of criminality in France. Many people dislike and have a visceral hate against socialists, I understand them. This law won't make things better but jut worse, socialists wanted the war , they will get it.
Yes, we have certainly never seen a corrupt capitalist. Well said, Georges.
 
This is a day that will change the History of our country :cool:

Post-WW2 Civil rights progresses in France :

April 29th 1944 : Women get the Right to vote
January 17th 1975 : Abortion is legalised
October 9th 1981 : Capital punishment is abolished
November 15th 1999 : Civil Solidarity Pact is created
April 23rd 2012 : Gay couples get Right to marry and to adopt kids
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
This is a day that will change the History of our country :cool:

Post-WW2 Civil rights progresses in France :

April 29th 1944 : Women get the Right to vote
January 17th 1975 : Abortion is legalised
October 9th 1981 : Capital punishment is abolished
November 15th 1999 : Civil Solidarity Pact is created
April 23rd 2012 : Gay couples get Right to marry and to adopt kids
Day of shame, it ruins the definition of mariage, mariage between two dicks and two pussies isn't mariage. It is more a decline of moral values than something else. It just strenghtens the poiunt of view of what many think about socialists, socilaists are scum and they don't give a shit of real priorities
 
Day of shame, it ruins the definition of mariage, mariage between two dicks and two pussies isn't mariage. It is more a decline of moral values than something else. It just strenghtens the poiunt of view of what many think about socialists, socilaists are scum and they don't give a shit of real priorities

Historically, marriages have consisted of unions between multiple people at once, between adults and children, between rapists and victims, or between soldiers and hostages. Marriage is not something with a tradition of "honour" or "piety". Stop pretending there's any erosion of moral values here, you dinosaur-brained bigot.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
Explain to me how this law will make anything worse (and I will categorically not accept right-wing violence as an answer, as any stone-age reaction is solely the fault of those responsible, not of the cause they react to).

You know what happens when you pass a law by force, there is always a strike back. The socialists usurped of police force during the protests and the socialists usurped of their amendments during the vote at the national assembly. The unavoidable consequences of this law will certainly be more couples of gays and dykes beaten by right wing and catholic group activitsts and members of the government probably killed. Since his election, Hollande's popularity continues to decline each month (only 25% of douchebags are happy of him as president), there will be a point of non return and very certainly a civil war. People who have lived under Mitterand have seen what have given fourteen years of socialism, nothing good.
 
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Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Day of shame, it ruins the definition of mariage, mariage between two dicks and two pussies isn't mariage. It is more a decline of moral values than something else. It just strenghtens the poiunt of view of what many think about socialists, socilaists are scum and they don't give a shit of real priorities
The last century is calling you, georges. It's telling you to move the fuck on. Do you understand that as your generation dies off, your thinking will too? I mean, do you fundamentally understand that? Not all at once, of course, as children are naturally influenced by their folks. But the trends are certainly there. And as Jeep already pointed out, marriage is whatever we define it to be. I want it to be something gays can enjoy as well, because why the fuck not? Fortunately for me...and gay-folk...and a happy society as a whole...that's the direction it's going in.
 

Mayhem

Banned
You know what happens when you pass a law by force, there is always a strike back. The socialists usurped of police force during the protests and the socialists usurped of their amendments during the vote at the national assembly. The unavoidable consequences of this law will certainly be more couples of gays and dykes beaten by right wing and catholic group activitsts and members of the government probably killed.

You actually defend people like this? You make the point that progressive laws shouldn't be passed because brutal scumbags are going to act like brutal scumbags? You think that laws should only be passed on the behalf of those who will resort to violence?

Do you understand how much like Will you are sounding right now?
Since his election, Hollande's popularity continues to decline each month (only 25% of douchebags are happy of him as president), there will be a point of non return and very certainly a civil war. People who have lived under Mitterand have seen what have given fourteen years of socialism, nothing good.

You people all really do read from the same script, don't you?
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
The last century is calling you, georges. It's telling you to move the fuck on. Do you understand that as your generation dies off, your thinking will too? I mean, do you fundamentally understand that? Not all at once, of course, as children are naturally influenced by their folks. But the trends are certainly there. And as Jeep already pointed out, marriage is whatever we define it to be. I want it to be something gays can enjoy as well, because why the fuck not? Fortunately for me...and gay-folk...and a happy society as a whole...that's the direction it's going in.
:nono:
Marriage is not to be enjoyed.
:nono:
 
Day of shame, it ruins the definition of mariage, mariage between two dicks and two pussies isn't mariage. It is more a decline of moral values than something else. It just strenghtens the poiunt of view of what many think about socialists, socilaists are scum and they don't give a shit of real priorities
So, you married a pussy, not a woman. I bet the woman who "wears" the pussy you've married would be glad to learn how much respect you give to her.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Socialist-majority Assembly :facepalm:




Worst choice ever with only 25% of satisfied French citizens with this president, we will see how good he will be at fixing the economy. Most of his ministers are socialist douchebags who already faced troubles with justice, like Fabius for the case of contamined blood back in 1986, Ayrault condamened not so long ago for fiscal fraud, Cahuzac one of the former ministers who has hidden his swiss bank account and was forced to resign, and Taubira the one who is the reason of the rise of criminality in France. Many people dislike and have a visceral hate against socialists, I understand them. This law won't make things better but jut worse, socialists wanted the war , they will get it.

Day of shame, it ruins the definition of mariage, mariage between two dicks and two pussies isn't mariage. It is more a decline of moral values than something else. It just strenghtens the poiunt of view of what many think about socialists, socilaists are scum and they don't give a shit of real priorities

You know what happens when you pass a law by force, there is always a strike back. The socialists usurped of police force during the protests and the socialists usurped of their amendments during the vote at the national assembly. The unavoidable consequences of this law will certainly be more couples of gays and dykes beaten by right wing and catholic group activitsts and members of the government probably killed. Since his election, Hollande's popularity continues to decline each month (only 25% of douchebags are happy of him as president), there will be a point of non return and very certainly a civil war. People who have lived under Mitterand have seen what have given fourteen years of socialism, nothing good.


:goodpost:

Passing laws by force is wrong. Just like Obama's unconstitutional executive orders.

Civil war in France?
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Passing laws by force is wrong. Just like Obama's unconstitutional executive orders.

Obama has issued less executive orders than any president of the last 100 years. Please explain how a legislative body requiring majorities to pass legislation is passing legislation "by force".
 
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