fake vs real sluts

[poggy]

Look, people, in general, are still weird about a lot of things; there are people who don't want to so much as talk to pornstars; my parents are people like that! But to people who are a bit more evolved, things appear in a different light. I honestly think that porn is a great profession to be in, you make people feel good, you have great sex, you meet interesting people, you get loads of free time to read books, travel and stuff, and your friends are people who really like you, not just people who hang around you because of your money or social status. 'Slut' for me is good and positive. Just because a certain pornstar is a slut doesn't mean I don't respect her or think that there's nothing more to her; in fact, I admire her for being a slut. And I'm not the first person on this forum to have said that I love sluts and I love them in the healthiest way possible. If some people see a bad side to being a slut and use it as an insult, there isn't much I can do about it. At any rate, I didn't think that 'slut' would have any negative connotations at least to porn fans.



Different girls perform differently. For me, the human side's important. A girl could be stuffed with cocks in all her holes yet look like she's waiting for a bus somewhere! Lannie Barbie is often like that. Not that that doesn't have a certain appeal, but it's not sex appeal for me. Then there are girls like Tory who can get you hard by just the look on their faces long before anyone's taken their clothes off. But that also might just be acting. But then there's girls like Tianna. For me, it's the very distinctve feeling that the girl has temporarily lost sense of the camera. She doesn't look at it very often. She's out-of-control. She makes constant eye-contact with the guy with an imploring anxious look, she makes nervous jerky movements, her face is a study, no longer seductive,she isn't trying to seduce anymore, just looking to enjoy her part in the sex to the fullest, sometimes there'll be mascara goop running down the underside of her eyes, but she no longer cares. She doesn't look at the camera at all, she's lost sense of it. Somehow I don't think anyone, even Nicole Kidman, is that good an actress. That's real sluttiness!. Someone like Tory, on the other hand, is very aware of the camera; you'll see her from time to time giving a dirty look, looking at the camera, and particularly after the cumshot. Up until the cumshot, it's obviously in the interests of the scene that the male pornstar stay hot. But after the cumshot, only the audience needs to be seduced and Tory knows that. You can see at once that she's very aware during a scene. A real slut's mind is gone during the scene! It's not something physical,it's a certain mood that's created and reading between the lines that helps you make the distinction. In the end, it's a bit of guessswork but it's fun to try to guess. That's what the thread is about.

Hi guys, post more names of pornstars who you think are slutty,(fake or real -- I don't care anymore)
I checked out Jenna Presley and Arianna Jolie annd you're right. They're great. Keep 'em coming :thumbsup:

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Questions now...

How do you know that they are acting or not?

Do you have some sort of sixth sense that makes you able to read it through a screen?

Because as I've said before. Just about all pornstars will say "when I perform" which means acting at the end of the day. What are we saying that every single time they have sex, it's some earth moving event. Sorry but that just doesn't happen. They will not like it with every partner they have sex with.

I'll give you a example. Which I was trying not to do.

Take Jane Darling. She gives some of the best performances ever with men, single or groups. But she has said in interview that she prefers women. That is called acting. But you wouldn't know it from her scenes as she's never given a bad performance I can think off. So is she your definition of a slut (whatever one of them is). To me it's comes down to acting a performance (and what a performance she puts in ).

So how do you know?

The reason you are having problems with this is simple. A lot of the members here are not porn fans as you put it. They are fans or adore the women and respect them. Not just see them as something as a object which words like slut label them as.

 

[xxaru]

Take Jane Darling. She gives some of the best performances ever with men, single or groups. But she has said in interview that she prefers women. That is called acting. But you wouldn't know it from her scenes as she's never given a bad performance I can think off. So is she your definition of a slut (whatever one of them is). To me it's comes down to acting a performance (and what a performance she puts in ).

I can't disagree with you there. Jane has got to be one of the best porn actresses I've ever come across. That girl is a true professional, with a killer body to match.

 

[titsrock]

She doesn't look at it very often. She's out-of-control. She makes constant eye-contact with the guy with an imploring anxious look, she makes nervous jerky movements, her face is a study, no longer seductive,she isn't trying to seduce anymore, just looking to enjoy her part in the sex to the fullest, sometimes there'll be mascara goop running down the underside of her eyes, but she no longer cares. She doesn't look at the camera at all, she's lost sense of it. Somehow I don't think anyone, even Nicole Kidman, is that good an actress. That's real sluttiness!. Someone like Tory, on the other hand, is very aware of the camera; you'll see her from time to time giving a dirty look, looking at the camera, and particularly after the cumshot. Up until the cumshot, it's obviously in the interests of the scene that the male pornstar stay hot. But after the cumshot, only the audience needs to be seduced and Tory knows that. You can see at once that she's very aware during a scene. A real slut's mind is gone during the scene! It's not something physical,it's a certain mood that's created and reading between the lines that helps you make the distinction. In the end, it's a bit of guessswork but it's fun to try to guess. That's what the thread is about.

jinhyun--
I think you're creating your own definition of the word "slut." In America, a "slut" is a girl who has a lot of sex. Maybe she likes sex. Maybe she fucks just to secure a boyfriend. Who knows? Who cares?

Most of your explanation about sluts/fake sluts etc. is nothing more than your reaction to or commentary about what you see or what you feel. For example, you say,"You can see at once that she's very aware during a scene. A real slut's mind is gone during a scene!". How do you know that? You'd have to be a slut yourself, right?

I think all you really care about is which pornstars give a great performance and which ones give a lousy performance. I think it's fun to spot the crappy actors. I agree with you about Lannie Barbie. She's hot but a terrible actor. Nicole Graves is another hottie who has never "cut" a great scene, imo.

 

[Becks...poamr]

I just want a fake slut who is a real slut only around me (or she can be a fake slut around me as long as I can't tell the difference) and is not a slut at all when around others. I will also accept if she wants to be a fake slut who only has sex for money but would be a real slut when she had sex for free. But only when she's with me, otherwise she would be not a slut at all. Can someone really be a fake slut sometimes and a real slut other times? Can a real slut sometimes be not a slut at all? I think those are the questions here, my friends.

And you already have what you desire if you'd only pay more attention to me than to CCT. :******:

 

[jinhyun]

I agree with some of what you said. I don't like referring to people as sluts or whores because it's more often than not used as a derogatory term. If I did I would really have to feel that person really deserved to be spoken down to for reasons other than their sexual activity.

On the other hand I think some of your views on porn are off. There are a lot of things that make it not a great profession to be in. It has it's positives, no doubt, like making quick money even though their getting ripped off compared to what some of them make for the people that hire them. There is the travel, which might be good. On the other hand any person in the business that thinks the people around them are their friends and really like them is just setting themselves up for a very VERY horrible fall. If people are lucky they might find a couple of others that truly care about them and even then they need to be careful. I've known some bad industries and some bad people, and yet with anything still considered legal porn has more fakes, phonies, and people that want to use others for their own benefit than probably almost anything else and that's saying something in the world we live in.

No, I didn't mean friends inside the industry, but outside it. If you're a rich, successful person, chances are that people will suck up to you and want to be your friend whether they like you or personally or not. But outside the porn industry, there are very few people who think that it's 'cool' to hang around pornstars. In fact, lots of people wouldn't like to be seen with one. The people who do hang out with you even though you're a pornstar probably really like you; not always, of course, some will just be moochers. But I think it would be easier for a pornstar to tell who her real friends are than a movie star or even a successful doctor for example. And I think that there is far less cattiness and backbiting in porn than, say, the modelling industry. I've seen a lot of girls say that in interviews, that they're in porn because people are nicer there. Nothing's perfect of course and all show-business has more-or-less similar problems, but porn's probably a bit better. And when you think of the average Hollywood starlet today, someone like Lindsay Lohan, I think the average pornstar is a much nicer person

The point I'm trying to make is... whether they love fucking on camera more than the next girl or not, they are ALL putting on a performance, and they are all getting paid for it. The fact that you can tell that some girls aren't into the scene they're doing, tells me that those girls are bad actors/performers... because whether they enjoy it more than the next girl or not, guess what, the next girl who enjoys it more is still putting on a performance too..

Yes, but some girls are performing far less than others; they really like the sex and they're in it(the biz) for the sex as well, not just for the money. I have seen the way some girls act you can tell they aren't just putting it on, because you've seen girls putting it on and there's a difference. Compare the performances of Hillary Scott who acts with someone like Flower Tucci. The ability to be totally '******' particularly in orgasmic moments can't just be simulated. No-one's that good.

Sometimes, big Hollywood stars will agree to do a small independent film (because they love acting and really like the role) even though the film can't afford to pay them. Now how often do you hear about big time porn stars that agree to do scenes for smaller companies that can't afford to pay them?? I've never heard of that happening, but if you know of any instances of that happening, please tell me because I want to work with those girls.

The average Hollywood movie star makes enough money off a single movie never to have to work again. Pornstars may make good money but not that good. Plenty of famous painters, when they started out overpriced their work because they were poor. How much you like money depends on how little you have. Movie stars can afford to work for free from time to time; besides if it's a good role you could be up for an award. Besides, if a pornstar wanted to get laid, why would she travel down to the studio of a company that won't pay her to fuck a stranger? She could enjoy the same thing by calling a male friend over, someone she likes and knows for sure is healthy, and fuck him in the privacy of her own bedroom.

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Questions now...

How do you know that they are acting or not?

Do you have some sort of sixth sense that makes you able to read it through a screen?

Because as I've said before. Just about all pornstars will say "when I perform" which means acting at the end of the day. What are we saying that every single time they have sex, it's some earth moving event. Sorry but that just doesn't happen. They will not like it with every partner they have sex with.

I'll give you a example. Which I was trying not to do.

Take Jane Darling. She gives some of the best performances ever with men, single or groups. But she has said in interview that she prefers women. That is called acting. But you wouldn't know it from her scenes as she's never given a bad performance I can think off. So is she your definition of a slut (whatever one of them is). To me it's comes down to acting a performance (and what a performance she puts in )..

So how do you know?)..[/QUOTE]
You can tell after a while. You need to look at the human side of it. The average porn fan probably can't and someone like you who thinks that no-one likes their job, everyone just does what they do for the money, in short that everyone's just mechanical, that no-one has a human side at all and probably doesn't have a human side herself would never be able to. And just for the record, just because Jane prefers women doesn't mean she doesn't like men(everything's in black and white to you, isn't it?-- straight, lesbian, brand names); I haven't seen her performances, but I'd probably be able to read more into the than you ever could. Most girls may just do it for the money but someone like you won't get that some girls may like it and really get into it, or in general, that anyone can like anything and do it for its own sake and not just because there's something in it for them

The reason you are having problems with this is simple. A lot of the members here are not porn fans as you put it. They are fans or adore the women and respect them. Not just see them as something as a object which words like slut label them as.

Oho, that's rich! You obviously don't read the posts here.Here's one by blueballs on the same thread. 'I say real sluts fake sluts they all turn out the same colour in the end' How respectful and adoring! One thing I've noticed about sluts is that they're very life-affirming. Someone like Eva Angelina(read her interviews), girls I know myself. They are proud of what they're like and have a rich human side. Spend half an hour with them not necessarily having sex and you'd feel great somehow. Someone like you wouldn't get that, the human side. I feel really sorry for you Someone like me could get the human side of anything, get an actually non-sexual pleasure out of a slut's sexuality, talk to them and delight in their humanity, adore them and feel at one with them. Someone like you could only 'respect' them impersonally as nobody in particular, like you 'respect' the mailman who brings you your mail. Anyway I've learnt my lesson posting a 'discussion' on a porn forum. From now on, I'll stick to trading links and leads to pornstars which is why I joined in the first place. And don't bother posting on my threads,I'll just ignore you.
P.S Sorry about ignoring board rules and posting a bunch of posts at once. I haven't logged on for a while and I needed closure on this thread. Won't happen again.

 

[xxaru]

Yes, but some girls are performing far less than others; they really like the sex and they're in it(the biz) for the sex as well, not just for the money. I have seen the way some girls act you can tell they aren't just putting it on, because you've seen girls putting it on and there's a difference. Compare the performances of Hillary Scott who acts with someone like Flower Tucci. The ability to be totally '******' particularly in orgasmic moments can't just be simulated. No-one's that good.

You’d be surprised. I’ve seen girls that you’d swear were in that ****** orgasmic state as you put it, and as soon as the scene cut it was like another day at the park for them. Some of these girls really are incredible performers.

I’m not saying that there aren’t some girls that really do get into their scenes so much that they have to do very little acting, but even those girls are still performing for the camera (even if it’s less than others). Have you ever seen a typical homemade porn video? Before these chicks were pornstars, they were just like any other regular girl. And if they made any home videos before they became “stars” I bet you’d see a difference in their performance. You think it’s because they enjoyed the sex less with their chosen partners or bf’s in a comfortable atmosphere as opposed to being on the set with a male pornstar they barely know?? Not hardly. It’s because they were coached and learned how to perform for the camera.

Besides, if a pornstar wanted to get laid, why would she travel down to the studio of a company that won't pay her to fuck a stranger? She could enjoy the same thing by calling a male friend over, someone she likes and knows for sure is healthy, and fuck him in the privacy of her own bedroom.

Yes, but then you’re not doing it for the love of the job… because if you were, you’d be doing it on camera for the company that can’t pay you; because that’s how much you love making porn.

And do you really think she's fucking that male friend she brings home the same exact way she fucks the pornstars when the lights and camera are on her?? I wouldn't bet on it. But I'm sure there are some similarities, cause we all know that subconscious mindset of being coached on how to act in front of the camera can spill over into a persons regular activities

 

[georges]

Fake sluts are actrices like Jenna Heart aka Softie or JennaJameson who often fake their orgasm and who never did anal or any throat fucking or rough hardcore acts in front of the camera. They express on their face that they like rough sex but in fact they are scared when it comes to make rough sex scenes.

Real sluts can do everything like Bridgette Kerkove who invited many people to fuck her and jizz on her face at one of her birthdays. I can also quote shyla cumguzzling slut stylez who is never reluctant to get pounded in the ass and eat cum as a thank you sign. Real sluts show strong sexuality and pleasure in front of the camera and in real life too. Some pornstars are swingers or escorts and love to fuck and suck a big fat cock.

Just my opinion.

regards

georges

 

[DreamSparrow]

Really **** Jenna, don't you, georges? :1orglaugh Sorry, but I don't think there's anything wrong with her for declining to perform anal or throatfucking or whatever else is becoming the norm right now. You're effectively trying to make her ilk sound less than sexual for abstaining from engaging in acts they're not comfortable with. That's a nasty expectation for women, isn't it?

It makes more sense to me to applaud her for knowing what she likes and dislikes doing on camera and having the strength of character to enforce her own limits without succumbing to all the pressures to break them.

Back on topic! I do think slut can be used as a compliment, but people ought to realise that it's usually a term for demeaning women. Plenty of women are hurt by it, so I don't think it's a good idea for it to become a norm the way it has.

I don't really watch any of these girls (don't know who a couple of them are!), but Flower Tucci does seem to genuinely enjoy her job.

 

[poggy]

someone like you who thinks that no-one likes their job

And at what point did I say no one likes their job?

I did say it's their job. Which isn't the same :o

What you have to remember is. When they are shooting a porn scene there is often at least 4 or more people in the room or area. Plus there is a lot of stopping and starting in them. Only a very little percentage is shot straight through. Which is usually a gonzo scene for the internet. These are very cheap to make and they can churn out a lot of them in a week. So can you really get into some sexual higher place when you have to keep stopping and posing for someone to take still pictures?

Oho, that's rich! You obviously don't read the posts here.Here's one by blueballs on the same thread. 'I say real sluts fake sluts they all turn out the same colour in the end' How respectful and adoring! One thing I've noticed about sluts is that they're very life-affirming. Someone like Eva Angelina(read her interviews), girls I know myself. They are proud of what they're like and have a rich human side. Spend half an hour with them not necessarily having sex and you'd feel great somehow. Someone like you wouldn't get that, the human side. I feel really sorry for you Someone like me could get the human side of anything, get an actually non-sexual pleasure out of a slut's sexuality, talk to them and delight in their humanity, adore them and feel at one with them. Someone like you could only 'respect' them impersonally as nobody in particular, like you 'respect' the mailman who brings you your mail. Anyway I've learnt my lesson posting a 'discussion' on a porn forum. From now on, I'll stick to trading links and leads to pornstars which is why I joined in the first place. And don't bother posting on my threads,I'll just ignore you.
P.S Sorry about ignoring board rules and posting a bunch of posts at once. I haven't logged on for a while and I needed closure on this thread. Won't happen again.

When did I say all members?

I said a lot of members.

Oh and by the way you broke a rule again. As you post three times within a few minutes without anyone posting in between or there been about 24 hours between them, if no one else posted. Which I told you about before. The name of this is spamming.

 

[jinhyun]

And at what point did I say no one likes their job?..

You've implied throughout that pornstars are just in it for the money, no because they like it, that because a girl prefers women means she can't possibly sincerely enjoy jerking guys off, she's doing it just for the money, that everythings just a utilitarian cycle,a job like being a postman is a job. Everything's fake and there's no human or real element to anything, just cold skill. I don't even think that that's true in regular movies.

When did I say all members?

I said a lot of members..

I think I know that type of guy. He's never been with a woman, in fact, never had a conversation with a girl. He doesn't think girls are human at all, just phenomena with breasts. He'll leer at Lannie's plastic breasts, jerk off to her (actually just a plastic blowup doll that looks like her will do, the human element's overrated, in fact it doesn't exist) and spend the rest of the day respecting and adoring her. Sometimes it's half and half, other times 60% adoration, 40% respect, other times it's hard -- 56.725% adoration, 43.275% respect best as the meter will give; sometimes he'll stay up nights respecting and adoring her. He doesn't know squat about her, never read an interview, never wondered what she's like for real, whether she likes it when it rains, or what her favorite movies are, but he ceaselessly respects and adores her. Great catchwords, those -- 'respect' and 'adore' -- America's contribution to civilization.

Oh and by the way you broke a rule again. As you post three times within a few minutes without anyone posting in between or there been about 24 hours between them, if no one else posted. Which I told you about before. The name of this is spamming.

I've already explained. Read the P.S in my last post. Won't happen again.

 

[jinhyun]

You’d be surprised. I’ve seen girls that you’d swear were in that ****** orgasmic state as you put it, and as soon as the scene cut it was like another day at the park for them. Some of these girls really are incredible performers.

I’m not saying that there aren’t some girls that really do get into their scenes so much that they have to do very little acting, but even those girls are still performing for the camera (even if it’s less than others). Have you ever seen a typical homemade porn video? Before these chicks were pornstars, they were just like any other regular girl. And if they made any home videos before they became “stars” I bet you’d see a difference in their performance. You think it’s because they enjoyed the sex less with their chosen partners or bf’s in a comfortable atmosphere as opposed to being on the set with a male pornstar they barely know?? Not hardly. It’s because they were coached and learned how to perform for the camera.

In most cases, I'm sure you're right. Tory Lane would be a great example of that. To me, she's the greatest performer in porn, the most complete and probably the greatest pornstar of all time. But subtle things convince me she's only performing. As for homemade porn you're right about that too; the same girls are much less 'into it' in those. But the possibility you need to consider which I think does happen in a small percentage of cases is that the girl is really a raging slut. If so, why doesn't she act that way when she's herself? Answers abound. First and most obvious is social mores. We know how people think in general that a girl who's a slut is somehow contemptible. A girl who slips off her shyness and acts like the slut she is, she'd run the genuine risk of losing her boyfriend's/husband's rspect. Many girls don't even want to initiate sex in marriage or with a boyfriend for that reason. I recently looked up 'nymphomaniac' in a dictionary and they called it sex addiction in a woman linked with low self-esteem. That's how deeply entrenched is the idea that girls who like sex are lacking in self-esteem and generally sick. Put the same girl in front of a camera with an anonymous stranger and tell her to act slutty and she thinks 'Great, finally I get to be myself for once and no-one will judge me because they'll think I'm acting.' That would be rare certainly, but I think it does happen and that some girls really get into pornto act out their fantasies which they wouldn't feel comfortable doing as themselves. Shyness is another. Many regular movie stars are so shy and retiring in 'real life' that they seem like non-persons; but the same people are sparkling and vivacious in their roles. In that case, I think that the person is more real onscreen when because they're playing a character they are less conscious of being judged than when when they are being themselves when they just build walls because of shyness. There might be a few girls in the biz who're just like that.

Yes, but then you’re not doing it for the love of the job… because if you were, you’d be doing it on camera for the company that can’t pay you; because that’s how much you love making porn.

And do you really think she's fucking that male friend she brings home the same exact way she fucks the pornstars when the lights and camera are on her?? I wouldn't bet on it. But I'm sure there are some similarities, cause we all know that subconscious mindset of being coached on how to act in front of the camera can spill over into a persons regular activities

For me, it's more about loving the main part of your job, not necessarily the whole job with all the hassles. You gotta love the sex, not necessarily making porn unless you're also directing. Besides there are practical considerations. You work for free once and it sets a bad precedent. Your phone's ringing off the hook with more moochers calling. Besides, if the company's that ****-poor they can't pay her, lots of stuff isn't guaranteed -- that the guys are going to behave, that they've been tested etc. She might not fuck that male friend like she does in porn, but the same reasons may apply which I've talked about -- she's just not comfortable exposing a certain side of her character when she's being herself and liable to be judged.

 

[Caitnop]

To give this whole "fake vs real sluts" a new turn, I acually like those that seem to fake it the most, crazy but true. Those are the "biggest sluts" for me.

 

[xxaru]

She might not fuck that male friend like she does in porn, but the same reasons may apply which I've talked about -- she's just not comfortable exposing a certain side of her character when she's being herself and liable to be judged.

So your theory is that there are girls out there who want to act like they do on camera, but don’t in their private life because of how society may judge them? See, I can’t buy that either… and the main reason is because once a girl chooses to become a hardcore pornstar, she’s gonna get all the negative judgement that society dishes out on girls in the industry. Even girls that just do softcore porn get judged negatively by society. Look at the threads people make around here about “would you ever date a pornstar/stripper/prostitute, etc.” That’s society dishing out negativity right here on a porn appreciation forum! So why would a girl do hardcore porn, and then be afraid to act “normal” in real life? That doesn’t make sense. If they cared that much about what society thought, then they wouldn’t be doing porn to begin with.

Many regular movie stars are so shy and retiring in 'real life' that they seem like non-persons; but the same people are sparkling and vivacious in their roles. In that case, I think that the person is more real onscreen when because they're playing a character they are less conscious of being judged than when when they are being themselves when they just build walls because of shyness. There might be a few girls in the biz who're just like that.

I think you hit the nail right on the head here. They are playing a “character”. It’s a role and a performance for them. Sure they may love it and really get into it (maybe even let loose as you say), but they still have to act and perform a bit for the camera. You know what happens when a girl doesn’t perform at all for the camera (regardless of how into it she is)? You either get a bad scene, or something that turns out like the home videos amateurs make. Even the guys have to act and perform for the camera. Ever seen a porn video with a guy that can’t act? It definitely shows.

I think we’re going around in circles here. Yes, I believe you’re right in that there are some girls that really do love making porn, and it probably does show compared to the girls that don’t really like it and are only in it for the money. It’s much harder to act a character that is further away from your normal self, then one that isn’t. So if you’re a slut or a pimp (for example) in real life, then it’d be much easier for you to play that role/character in a movie as opposed to someone who is the total opposite. However, that’s when great acting comes into play. The best actors can play a role that is the complete opposite of their real selves and make you believe that they weren’t acting at all. So the point is, that without knowing the stars personally, how can you know for sure who’s a great actor as opposed to who really doesn’t have to act much at all to fit the part? I’m saying that you can’t, and your assessment is just an educated guess based on your analysis of the scenes they’ve done.

 

[poggy]

You've implied throughout that pornstars are just in it for the money, no because they like it, that because a girl prefers women means she can't possibly sincerely enjoy jerking guys off, she's doing it just for the money, that everythings just a utilitarian cycle,a job like being a postman is a job. Everything's fake and there's no human or real element to anything, just cold skill. I don't even think that that's true in regular movies.

I never once said that all pornstars are in it for the money. You really should be reading my posts. I did say it's a job. Because that is what it is. They get paid for it, which makes it a job. Just like modelling, prostitution, delivering the mail, digging holes in the road, etc. Actually too you'll find that there are people who love to deliver the mail.

Not all pornstars do it because they like it. Some actually do as they see it as easy money. Some enjoy it at the time but **** the fallout from it both during and after.

I could do you a long list of stars that said they loved it while doing it and then said they hated it after. Another of them who'd thought it would be great then found out what could happen with ******, friends and even strangers. Of which not all of it went the way they planned. So hated it from that moment on. Even another list of the ones who enjoyed doing it before and after. Then even a final one of the ones who said they did it just for the easy money.

But as I said before I'm trying to keep names out of it.

I think I know that type of guy. He's never been with a woman, in fact, never had a conversation with a girl. He doesn't think girls are human at all, just phenomena with breasts. He'll leer at Lannie's plastic breasts, jerk off to her (actually just a plastic blowup doll that looks like her will do, the human element's overrated, in fact it doesn't exist) and spend the rest of the day respecting and adoring her. Sometimes it's half and half, other times 60% adoration, 40% respect, other times it's hard -- 56.725% adoration, 43.275% respect best as the meter will give; sometimes he'll stay up nights respecting and adoring her. He doesn't know squat about her, never read an interview, never wondered what she's like for real, whether she likes it when it rains, or what her favorite movies are, but he ceaselessly respects and adores her. Great catchwords, those -- 'respect' and 'adore' -- America's contribution to civilization.

Whoops!

Really must research here. See the woman on my sig. There is a reason I respect and adore her so much. I've met her more than once now and everytime she impresses me more and more as a person. The fact that she is drop dead gorgeous is just a added bonus.

I don't get hooked up to much on fantasy. As that is why quite a few members here don't like me. I'm realistic, as I live in the real world and post on here the same. I don't bring fantasy to this or any other board. Only bits and bobs now and again.

I've already explained. Read the P.S in my last post. Won't happen again.

So why did you do it more than once?

As I'd already pointed it out to you!

 

[jinhyun]

I never once said that all pornstars are in it for the money. You really should be reading my posts. I did say it's a job. Because that is what it is. They get paid for it, which makes it a job. Just like modelling, prostitution, delivering the mail, digging holes in the road, etc. Actually too you'll find that there are people who love to deliver the mail.

Not all pornstars do it because they like it. Some actually do as they see it as easy money. Some enjoy it at the time but **** the fallout from it both during and after.

I could do you a long list of stars that said they loved it while doing it and then said they hated it after. Another of them who'd thought it would be great then found out what could happen with ******, friends and even strangers. Of which not all of it went the way they planned. So hated it from that moment on. Even another list of the ones who enjoyed doing it before and after. Then even a final one of the ones who said they did it just for the easy money.

But as I said before I'm trying to keep names out of it.!

Almost all pornstars don't like it which I've never denied, in fact constantly asserted from the second sentence of my opening thread; in most cases, their performances are correspondingly terrible, and I have no use for them. In a few cases, what pornstars find terrible is not so much the sex but all that starting and stopping owing to the incompetence of the male pornstars. I've heard a few girls say that with a lot of guys you wonder what they're doing in porn at all, that it was very hard to keep up the sexual intensity because the guys' cocks kept getting soft again and again. But if you're in porn and you don't like sex or take pride in your job, I'd say you're a lazy person just trying to make a living out of your good looks without having to work too hard for money; that is not an admirable person in any sense of the word; in a few cases where the girl started out wretchedly poor, her career move to porn may be understandable, but if she doesn't even like sex and take pride in her job, it is not laudable. People who aren't passionate about their work are not beautiful, however good-looking they may be; in fact, they're very ugly. The point of this thread is to look for the rare few admirable pornstars, either great performers who take pride in their work whether or not they enjoy it physically(which is not to say they don't sincerely enjoy jerking people off for its own sake)(fake sluts) or people who's passion is genuine(real sluts) and shows itself in their performances.

Whoops!

Really must research here. See the woman on my sig. There is a reason I respect and adore her so much. I've met her more than once now and everytime she impresses me more and more as a person. The fact that she is drop dead gorgeous is just a added bonus.

I don't get hooked up to much on fantasy. As that is why quite a few members here don't like me. I'm realistic, as I live in the real world and post on here the same. I don't bring fantasy to this or any other board. Only bits and bobs now and again.!

To me, that is quite the last word in shameless hypocrisy. A person who really likes women would be quite arbitrary in where he's seeking out interesting women. There are interesting women everywhere -- mathematicians, nuclear physicists, social workers, champion housewives who take great care of their families et al. Good-looking women who don't even like sex or pride in their work,but get into porn just to make a fast buck are quite the last place I'd try to look for interesting women. By the number of your posts, I'd say that that's the only place you've ever looked, along, perhaps, with regular showbiz which is for the most part very little better,
which tells me you like good-looking women even if they're not really interesting or admirable but won't admit it being a hypocrite. Your 'reality' is actually a sad myth. There are all these people who're ceaselessly connected to physical reality but completely miss what's really important, they won't know that their own wives are deply unhappy, they miss what makes life a living, throbbing, sensual, spiritual adventure. The human side of it is completely lost on them, they tend to take everything at face value and cannot read between the lines. They'll never see the really interesting side of life, and because it's lost on them, they will insist it doesn't exist. You should read Kenneth Grahame's 'The Golden Age', but that will be lost on you as well.

So why did you do it more than once?

As I'd already pointed it out to you!

I live in a different time-zone from most of the others. In the interim when I've logged out, a lot of replies will have appeared to my posts. When I log on again, no-one else is online, so I've choice but to post several times in reply to what various others are saying. In most cases, this problem won't crop up because it isn't a discusssion thread. Morally, it isn't spamming at all though it may be technically against board rules. On the other hand, I'd say that what you're doing is certainly spamming. If you cannot see a certain point of view, the ethical thing is to do is to avoid posting on a thread where it is being expressed by members posting there. Your deeply misguided sanctimonious airs must be unwelcome on most threads here; yet look at the number of your posts! That tells me you've been spamming ceaselessly since 2005.
This is also quite the last post of yours I'll be replying to. The next time you address me, I'll ignore it unless it's something technical and connected with board rules etc. So save your time. If we stay out of each others' hair, there's less chances of either of us doing something that causes us to get ******; so it's best for both of us. Let us part then on a good note. I wish you a good life

 

[poggy]

I live in a different time-zone from most of the others. In the interim when I've logged out, a lot of replies will have appeared to my posts. When I log on again, no-one else is online, so I've choice but to post several times in reply to what various others are saying. In most cases, this problem won't crop up because it isn't a discusssion thread. Morally, it isn't spamming at all though it may be technically against board rules. On the other hand, I'd say that what you're doing is certainly spamming. If you cannot see a certain point of view, the ethical thing is to do is to avoid posting on a thread where it is being expressed by members posting there. Your deeply misguided sanctimonious airs must be unwelcome on most threads here; yet look at the number of your posts! That tells me you've been spamming ceaselessly since 2005.
This is also quite the last post of yours I'll be replying to. The next time you address me, I'll ignore it unless it's something technical and connected with board rules etc. So save your time. If we stay out of each others' hair, there's less chances of either of us doing something that causes us to get ******; so it's best for both of us. Let us part then on a good note. I wish you a good life

First it was over 12 hours before me informing you about double and triple posting. Till you did it again. So if you had read my post from the first time you'd have known before you did it again. I know you saw it as you tried to defend yourself after insulting another member on the same post.

There is a multi quote option on here so you've no excuses. It's right next to the quote button so isn't hard to see. As for you been in a different time zone. There are always members on here. In fact in my morning your on the same time as me.

You really don't know me or my past history here to try and talk about my post count. For the first year I was here I posted everywhere on this board. I mean in every section everyday. In the babes section alone I was putting up 10 links a day. So that was on top of any other posting I was doing. My average post count back then was 18 a day. The post count that shows now is under 10, but I actually only post about 5 times a day on most days. Plus in my over two years here I've only double posted within hours and not minutes three times. Plus I'm well down on a lot of members here on posting if you bothered to check. A lot of them have been here less time than me. So you calling all them members spammers? :eek:

I only got at this thread for two reasons. One the word slut is as pointed out by not only me, is still and most likely always will be seen as a insult. Second you want everyone to conform to your view of it. Which you wasn't happy about when they didn't. I will only speak out at a thread if their is a very good reason. Which in this one there was. As you was trying to make out that a insult should be glorified in some way. Most I just don't bother with.

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You only get ****** if you insult members or show no respect in the talk section. Something I always try to do. But as shown something you don't always do. As you've already insulted one member to my knowledge.

 

[jinhyun]

So your theory is that there are girls out there who want to act like they do on camera, but don’t in their private life because of how society may judge them? See, I can’t buy that either… and the main reason is because once a girl chooses to become a hardcore pornstar, she’s gonna get all the negative judgement that society dishes out on girls in the industry. Even girls that just do softcore porn get judged negatively by society. Look at the threads people make around here about “would you ever date a pornstar/stripper/prostitute, etc.” That’s society dishing out negativity right here on a porn appreciation forum! So why would a girl do hardcore porn, and then be afraid to act “normal” in real life? That doesn’t make sense. If they cared that much about what society thought, then they wouldn’t be doing porn to begin with..

No, pornstars would almost never hang out with the sort of people who're judgemental etc, indeed zealously avoid them, so that they are for the most part oblivious to society's reaction to them generally. You don't have to live with society. But you do have to live with some people who're close to you, your friends, your boyfriend etc and can't not care about how they react to you. You do care. It is often the case with some almost demonaic criminals that when they are caught, they're not concerned what society thinks of them but what their wives think. Before they are executed, what they ask for is a letter of forgiveness from their wives; and it's their wives's gaze they are anxious to avoid in court, quite content to stare brazenly at everyone else. Pornstars may lead relatively isolated lives, but no-one can live alone and everyone is anxious that the people they hang out with respect them. And as for people hating you, and I mean, positively hating you personally, that also happens to regular ***********, indeed more certainly to them. I read somewhere that there are more 'I **** Britney' sites out there than for Saddam or Osama or anyone. Do you think Britney cares or is even aware of it most of the time? Not likely. But she would care what her friends, her **** etc think of her. As for people not wanting to get into porn to avoid being judged, like I said, anyone in more conventional showbiz is hated by more than half the people who know her and the more that know her the more that **** her. That doesn't stop thousands of people aspiring to get into show-businesss all the time. Like I said, you don't have to live with society, but you do have to live with someone. Pornstars may disappoint their parents but they don't have to live with them and most pornstars don't. But you can't not care what the pople you live with think and that's all that matters if they like and respect you. A small number of people out there may have relationships where they can really be themselves in front of that other person, but for most of us, we can only expose certain sides of ourselves to anyone, even people we're intimate with. Like I said, many women won't even initiate sex with their husbands, boyfriends etc because of what they'll think. And quite right too -- they are right that they will be judged. None of my closest friends know I like porn and would respect me less if they found out and wouldn't get it. I am quite intimate with them but this is a side of me I'd keep a secret. On the other hand I can post here and talk to strangers because they don't know me in any other context.

I think you hit the nail right on the head here. They are playing a “character”. It’s a role and a performance for them. Sure they may love it and really get into it (maybe even let loose as you say), but they still have to act and perform a bit for the camera. You know what happens when a girl doesn’t perform at all for the camera (regardless of how into it she is)? You either get a bad scene, or something that turns out like the home videos amateurs make. Even the guys have to act and perform for the camera. Ever seen a porn video with a guy that can’t act? It definitely shows.

I think we’re going around in circles here. Yes, I believe you’re right in that there are some girls that really do love making porn, and it probably does show compared to the girls that don’t really like it and are only in it for the money. It’s much harder to act a character that is further away from your normal self, then one that isn’t. So if you’re a slut or a pimp (for example) in real life, then it’d be much easier for you to play that role/character in a movie as opposed to someone who is the total opposite. However, that’s when great acting comes into play. The best actors can play a role that is the complete opposite of their real selves and make you believe that they weren’t acting at all. So the point is, that without knowing the stars personally, how can you know for sure who’s a great actor as opposed to who really doesn’t have to act much at all to fit the part? I’m saying that you can’t, and your assessment is just an educated guess based on your analysis of the scenes they’ve done.

Of course! You're saying it would only be an educated guess if you didn't know the star personally. But for reasons I've explained, it would still be only an educated guess even if you did know them personally. That's what the thread is about, trying to make these guesses and discussing these reasons for supposing that a certain star really liked it. Notice that in the poll, I say, 'Who's the biggest chance to be a slut for real. That means we don't know, but it's fun to guess based on performances, interviews etc.
As far as great acting is concerned, ever notice that when a great actor gives a great performance in a role unlike his real life character, it really is the complete opposite of his real-life self? I think that's because there's a yin and a yang to some aspects of your personality. You assume one side in your regular self but there's an other side which is dying to break out once in a while. People who knew Lewis Carroll in real life saw a dry and serious academic, and indeed that was one aspect of his personality; but a very different, almost antithetical, side shows itself in his Alice in Wonderland which no-one who knew him personally would have thought him capable of writing. Sometimes when someone gives a great performance, what you're actually seeing is a repressed side of that person coming out for real. You're quite right that scenes come off badly when people don't perform; but you'd know that something actually worse happens when people just act without getting into it, girls acting too girlie or just generally palpably fake, those palpably fake conversations; real extempore conversations on the other hand come off much better. There are these scenes where the girl starts performing as soon as the camera's on her and it's easy to see that it's fake. In other cases, however the girl comes off shy and quite real at first and obviously isn't faking. It's when the scene starts that the girl slips herself and it's hard to describe, but there's this je ne sais qoui that you don't get in a fake scene. It's guesswork in the end but considering that there are so many sluts(again, no negative connotations) I'd be amazed if there was no one like that in porn.

 

[georges]

Jinhyun, I know Poggy ont that board for quite a long time. He is on that board since 2 years and I since almost 4 years and 5 months. I can tell you that Poggy is courteous and respectful with other members. He is also a contributor on the board. I will also add one thing that besides the fact I am not a mod or a supermod, my words have always impact on people. Some people tried to put stickers on my name, I put them at their place. It is not a good start to insult members who are way longer than you on this board.
Instead of triple posting, you should have sumed up all your ideas and made one big post.

just my two cents

 

[jinhyun]

Jinhyun, I know Poggy ont that board for quite a long time. He is on that board since 2 years and I since almost 4 years and 5 months. I can tell you that Poggy is courteous and respectful with other members. He is also a contributor on the board. I will also add one thing that besides the fact I am not a mod or a supermod, my words have always impact on people. Some people tried to put stickers on my name, I put them at their place. It is not a good start to insult members who are way longer than you on this board.
Instead of triple posting, you should have sumed up all your ideas and made one big post.

just my two cents

It's the last time I respond to anything poggy says or post a discussion thread. So, it won't happen again. As Poggy's signature says, one set of rules for him, another for other people. He doesn't know squat about me but can tell me I don't respect women but cautions me when I retaliate. I didn't see him caution the other member when he wrote something nasty, but made a point of telling me when I retaliated. Like I said, I'm just going to ignore him from now on.

 

[poggy]

Jinhyun, I know Poggy ont that board for quite a long time. He is on that board since 2 years and I since almost 4 years and 5 months. I can tell you that Poggy is courteous and respectful with other members. He is also a contributor on the board. I will also add one thing that besides the fact I am not a mod or a supermod, my words have always impact on people. Some people tried to put stickers on my name, I put them at their place. It is not a good start to insult members who are way longer than you on this board.
Instead of triple posting, you should have sumed up all your ideas and made one big post.

just my two cents

Thanks Georges :thumbsup:


I never said he didn't respect women if you read my posts. As like on most things he said off me he's misquoted me. I did say that quite a few people here as you yourself know think that the word slut is a insult. That a lot of the members here respect women.

The other member he talks of didn't insult him the way he did back. As his ****** was very personal. Here is he reply to the member he said insulted him, as you can see the so called insult too...

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Maybe a little bit of a very ***** insult, but never deserved the reply he gave.

But as with another member I took time out and tried to stop them from getting ****** recently. With the reaction I got back it will be the last time. I'll just let them get ****** next time.