Dutch Jews Harassed and Attacked
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Just gets to me sometimes.
I most definitely hear that.
75 years and 6 million souls later, and so much of the rhetoric is the same.
The one thing I always hoped was that my relations did not die in vain.
That their death, while incredibly tragic, would prove a deterrent to future generations repeating the same insanity.
But as time passes I'm less and less sure that will be the case.
Their deaths were not in vain. Israel was born out of that Holocaust and the motto "Never Again".
meesterperfect
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I'm gonna speak frankly.
To me thats bullshit.
Number one you are over estimating by about 5,700,000.
[I]The World Almanac for 1947, in quoting figures supplies by the American Jewish Committee states that the world Jewish population in 1939 was 15,688,259. The New York Times of February 22, 1948, stated that the world Jewish population ranged from 15,600,000 to 18,700,000, excluding some 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine. How could the Jewish population have increased so rapidly after losing six million during World War II? Walter Sanning, the author of Dissolution of European Jewry, says that no less than 2,200,000 Jews had emigrated out of Europe leaving 2,847,000 Jews residing there at the height of the German occupation in June 1941. After the war, 3,375,000 Jews, according to the Red Cross, applied for holocaust reparations. This figure included many of the emigrants. Thus, the actual number of those who died at the camps from all causes ranges between 150,000 and 300,000.[/I]
number 2 I think thats fucked up, saying that Israel was born out of it.
Out of what? Millions of non Jews going to 2 world wars, millions getting maimed, millions of family's ruined, millions getting killed?
the whole world affected?
And since then because of the non stop bullshit because of them "having to return to their homeland" millions more dead all over the world, millions more affected, plus trillions of non jewish dollars spent, given to them.
I hope the fuck it was worth it.
I'll save my pity for the 10's of millions of Chinese and other Asians that slaughtered by the Japanese in the first half of the 20th, at least they ain't constantly reminding me of it or bullshitting about the numbers.
You must not go to Asia a lot then because the Koreans and Chinese never shut the fuck up about it. Now to be fair, this is due in large part of the Japanese believing if they deny the accusations viamately enough they will eventually go away. It is a tactic that hasn't really gotten them anywhere over the past 60 years or so, but they seem prepared to stick with it for the long haul. I suppose I can give them credit for sticking to their guns.
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
I don't think Will is going to be coming back...
meesterperfect
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i dont go to isreal a lot either.
and ive seen many interviews of japanese soldiers laughing about the stuff they did.
I wasn't aware the japanese denied anything that they did.
it doesn't matter here anyway.
Yeah, the Japanese are notorious for their denial or at least underplaying their role in mainland genocide.
But really, you do bring up a really important fact. I can't speak for Europe, but in America, both WWII and The Holocaust ultimately get boiled down to one thing and that's the extermination of 6 million Jews. I'm not going to argue numbers with you, but if you'd accept the conventional, mainstream estimation, the conservative death toll of what we collectively call the Holocaust was over a 11 million people. And that's only counting those killed in a systemic and controlled fashion. During the invasion of the Eastern Front, the Nazis killed ten million Soviet civilians alone. 20-25 million Soviets in total.
I remember seeing Spielberg win the Oscar for Schindler's List and he dedicated the award to the 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust. That didn't feel right to me. I don't understand why the "others" were excluded so casually. Five+ million Poles, Slavs, Romani, Soviet civilians and POWs, gays, mentally retarded, German Communists and Jehovah's Witnesses seems pretty significant to me. They suffered the same fate. The same agony, misery and cruelty.
I think something like 8 million Chinese civilians were killed by the Japanese. I forget how many Koreans. Incidents like Nanking were a drop in the bucket for the Imperial Army. And it could be said that the Bhutan March was a mobile genocide machine, but we never hear about that in the States. Hell, I guarantee most Americans would think that Nanking is a dead singer.
Some of most widely accepted estimate is that over 50 million civilians were killed in the second World War. Nearly 100 million people were killed when civilian and military forces are combined. I defy anybody to try to visualize that number of people in their head.
I'm not trying to downplay the significance of The Final Solution by any means. It's a horrific tragedy that should never be forgotten. But it's weird to see the horror of WWII summed up by a single group's suffering and plight. When I hear people go on and on about how they have a grandparent or relative who survived the Holocaust, I want to remind them that both of my grandpas were barely 18 years old when they were given a pair of boots and a rifle, herded into a boat and ordered to go march through Hell itself. I'd kill to have had them tell me what they underwent and saw in that damned war, but neither of them ever would no matter how many times they were asked. They couldn't.
Bear in mind other than the Jews the Germans also killed 3 million Soviet soldiers, 5-8 million Soviet civilians and close to 2 million non Jewish Poles as well as Gypsies, the disabled and an untold number of Black people (who were also subjected to horrific racial experiments) who no one seems to give a shit about. And how is giving Jews the state of Israel on land dominated be Arabs (very few Jews lived in the middle east at the outbreak of war) a just compensation for crimes carried out by the Nazis and their sympathisers all over Europe :dunno: And what about all the Nazi scientits that the US secretly rounded up and incorporated into their own research and development teams who never faced justice for the crimes they may have committed against the Jews and other victims of the Nazis?
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
Its just what its evolved into in 2010.
And the civil war was fought to free the slaves too.
And theres nothing predjudice in saying that jews have power and influence in the world, especially the US.
The deaths of jews during WWII which I will not give a title too is obviously not forgotten, and shouldnt be.
Then again teaching it, hearing about to such extreme and more as time goes by yeah, seems selfish to me considering all the other groups that were murdered by the germans, russians and to a much higher degree the japanese.
So why is it always 6 million 6 million 6 million?
(a number which in my mind is made up and unrealistic)
Its because of the power and influence of Jews in government and media.
Sorry about what happened , but I can't give too much sympathy to a group who I've never heard acknowledge or give sympathy to the uncountable other millions who sacrificed, suffered and died in a war that basically started over them.
The jewish leaders could have prevented a lot of what happened.
They chose not to.
Why do we hear so much about the jews but nothing about the chinese today for example?
Is the value of Jewish lives more valuable?
So 70 years later you hear more than ever nazi this nazi that.
The japanese however get sympathy and even an apology from serial groper Bill.
I guess I just like my history fair and most of all accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAp8bSdE5MQ&playnext_from=TL&videos=wjtk3SpWeR0
And the civil war was fought to free the slaves too.
And theres nothing predjudice in saying that jews have power and influence in the world, especially the US.
The deaths of jews during WWII which I will not give a title too is obviously not forgotten, and shouldnt be.
Then again teaching it, hearing about to such extreme and more as time goes by yeah, seems selfish to me considering all the other groups that were murdered by the germans, russians and to a much higher degree the japanese.
So why is it always 6 million 6 million 6 million?
(a number which in my mind is made up and unrealistic)
Its because of the power and influence of Jews in government and media.
Sorry about what happened , but I can't give too much sympathy to a group who I've never heard acknowledge or give sympathy to the uncountable other millions who sacrificed, suffered and died in a war that basically started over them.
The jewish leaders could have prevented a lot of what happened.
They chose not to.
Why do we hear so much about the jews but nothing about the chinese today for example?
Is the value of Jewish lives more valuable?
So 70 years later you hear more than ever nazi this nazi that.
The japanese however get sympathy and even an apology from serial groper Bill.
I guess I just like my history fair and most of all accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAp8bSdE5MQ&playnext_from=TL&videos=wjtk3SpWeR0
emceeemcee
Banned
how could you know that from your ivory tower in America?
You are giving unquestioning, blanket support to a country who happens to be one of the world's worst human rights abusers, simply because they happen to be of the same ethnicity as those your grandma helped. THAT is why you are pro-Israel. Nothing to do with compassion or willingness to help.
emceeemcee
Banned
The involvment of German Jewish leaders in the holocaust is pretty disturbing and would never get any run in the MSM
Yes including over 650,000 Serbs which include my Maternal grandmother who was sent to Jasenovac, and two of my father's relatives who fought and died fighting the Germans and Croats.
My post revolved around the Jewish victims not victims of the Japanese or Serbian victims or Roma etc.
Yeah my grandparents have ill will towards the Japanese considering they are Korean and what they did to them. Pretty much to the point where them or any of my relatives refuse to visit there even though the Japanese government has made apologizes to ROK...Anyway it's just sad how one group takes all their inadiqices (sorry spelt it wrong) out on the other...Someday we'll learn...
My brother's wife is a Korean American who's parents fled to Japan during the Korean War. Her parents left Japan for America when she was about 8...which was about 17 years ago. She really doesn't have many bad memories since she was a child when she left, but the stories her parents told me were horrific.
Basically, they weren't accepted by most of the Japanese they knew. Despite them both being well educated in Korea, they had to work at a slaughter house on the lowest rung. Basically they mopped and swept the blood off the floors. Still, they were grateful for the chance...until both were fired to make room for workers without gaijin blood. They told me that, even before the economic bubble burst over there, they were still treated like shit just because it was the thing to do.
So, the alternative was for the father to either resort to joining one of the Inagawa-Kai offshoot gangs or apply for visas and head to America. Thankfully they chose the latter and all four ended up becoming citizens.
The Zionist invasion of Palestine was well underway before the Holocaust.
You must be one these pro arab leftist anti semitic Israel haters.
emceeemcee
Banned
it's comments like that which convince me that Israel is headed for collapse
:rofl:
Right. And the cow jumped over the moon.
On March 27,1942, Hitler's propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels confided to his diary "Not many of the Jews will be left over. Roughly speaking, one can be sure that 60% of them will be liquidated, while we will be able to put only 40% into labor detachments."
On December 1, 1942, Hitler received Report no. 51 from Himmler, which reported that the Einsatzgruppen in Soviet territory for the period of September 1- December 1, 1942, executed 363, 211 Jews.
That three month localized execution total exceeds idiot holocaust revisionist Walter Sanning's estimate of murders for THE ENTIRE WAR :1orglaugh
Here's more on Mr Sanning and his numbers http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2007/08/crazy-world-of-walter-sanning-part-1.html
And surprise surprise, the very first site that comes up on Google when you search the paragraph MeesterPerfect posted is the notorious anti-semitic, neo-nazi site stormfront.org
:1orglaugh
:1orglaugh
Yes, I'm sure we're all terribly impressed by your Youtube clip/neo nazi blog history degree :1orglaugh
wow, your ignorance is only exceeded by your lack of humanity.
That's ok, he's got MeesterJewHater here to deputize for him.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
fuck off is all i have to say to you with your cheap shots
on that first thing, we don't know if he was talking about all jews, jews in a camp, jews in a city, or what.
And i didnt get any info from stormfront, ive only been on that page once to see what it was and didnt like most of the stuff i read.
see not all people who dont agree with or support jews 100% are neo nazi racists.
so you believe what you believe , i believe what i believe.
And i don't believe the number for one minute which was my point, the number.
I don't hate jews, i just don't believe the number. the unsubstantiated number.
plus i've never heard a jew express any pity or appreciation for all the people who sacrificed so much for them,
so why should i have pity for them as a group?
your a jew, good for you. i don't care.
I'm italian, and italy was attacked and people slaughtered many times, by many groups.
but its so typical , not stereotypical but typical for a jew to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them about them a hater.
tell me, am i wrong about that too?
on that first thing, we don't know if he was talking about all jews, jews in a camp, jews in a city, or what.
And i didnt get any info from stormfront, ive only been on that page once to see what it was and didnt like most of the stuff i read.
see not all people who dont agree with or support jews 100% are neo nazi racists.
so you believe what you believe , i believe what i believe.
And i don't believe the number for one minute which was my point, the number.
I don't hate jews, i just don't believe the number. the unsubstantiated number.
plus i've never heard a jew express any pity or appreciation for all the people who sacrificed so much for them,
so why should i have pity for them as a group?
your a jew, good for you. i don't care.
I'm italian, and italy was attacked and people slaughtered many times, by many groups.
but its so typical , not stereotypical but typical for a jew to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them about them a hater.
tell me, am i wrong about that too?
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