Donald Trump is a "Birther" (and he's going to run for President)

[Bloodshot Scott]

Just to put the whole damn thing to rest, and to support this concept of "transparency" he keeps talking about, why not just show the thing already so we can talk about real problems?? :dunno:

Because that would be racist. :nono:

i didnt say trump was in the Klan

he is too "Jew influenced" according to those jackasses

i was makin a refrence to all the other birther loons

not trump

:nono:

DT is gully with it, son:

 

[Red Spyder]

Obama was born in America, period. That said, he's shown a "certificate of live birth" but not a birth certificate. Now, maybe factcheck has seen it but who else? If he wants to really shut up birthers go ahead and show it, or as Trump said in an interview, maybe there's something on it he doesn't like or feel comfortable about.

Of course, down here in S. Texas, I've heard of cases where people from Mexico who have recently had a kid born in Mexico, have paid for American birth certificates from corrupt officials authorized to issue them on this side of the border, especially the parteras or midwives, so you never know.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

BORN IN THE USA?

Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate
Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent

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Posted: January 24, 2011
8:48 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WorldNetDaily


Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.


Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.

His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama's birth-certificate records.

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"During the course of my employment," Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), "I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate."

As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.

"Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health," Adams' affidavit reads, "and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government."


Tim Adams, former senior elections clerk for Honolulu

In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health.

"My supervisor came and told me, 'Of course, there's no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'" Adams said. "She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn't know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady."

Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi'olani Medical Center had any records of Obama's birth at their medical facilities: "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama's birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961."

"We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi'olani," Adams stressed. "Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there."

In 2009, WND documented that Obama and his supporters had first claimed he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, before the story changed to Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu.

After WND's report on the two conflicting hospitals, online news sites including the United Press International and Snopes.com scrubbed their websites to eliminate any reference to Queens Medical Center, substituting instead that Obama was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center without explaining the discrepancy or the correction.


Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie


In 2010, then-candidate for governor Neil Abercrombie was involved in an Obama birth controversy when he read a letter at a Kapi'olani Medical Center centennial dinner in Honolulu that supposedly was authored by President Obama, claiming Kapi'olani as his birth hospital.

As WND reported, the letter read by Abercrombie and initially displayed on the Kapi'olani website turned out to be a computer-created likeness of a letter using HTML code, the building blocks of Internet websites, not an actual paper letter.

The White House has still not confirmed it wrote or sent the letter.

Moreover, Adams claims, the Hawaii government was engaged in a cover-up designed to tell the American public through the Obama-supporting mainstream media that Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama could be found on record in the Hawaii Department of Health.

In the affidavit Adams swears, "During the course of my employment, I came to understand that for political reasons, various officials in the government of Hawaii, including then-Governor Linda Lingle and various officials of the Hawaii Department of Health, including Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of the Hawaii Department of Health, were making representations that Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no government official in Hawaii could find a long-form birth certificate for Senator Obama that had been issued by a Hawaii hospital at the time of his birth."

Adams further swears his supervisors told him to quit asking about Obama's birth records.

"During the course of my employment," Adams states in the affidavit, "I was told by senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division to stop inquiring about Senator Obama's Hawaii birth records, even though it was common knowledge among my fellow employees that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama."

"I can go get my long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate," Adams told WND. "And so I don't understand, this whole controversy should have been settled three or four years ago in about five minutes."

Nor does Adams feel the short-form Certification of Live Birth is authoritative documentation proving that Obama was born in Hawaii.

"My basic assumption is that he wasn't born there," Adams said. "Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands. If his parents were U.S. citizens, or if one parent was a U.S. citizen, as was the case with Obama, the family would apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate when the parents came back from overseas. That's normally how you would have gotten on [a Certification of Live Birth] in the 1960s."

WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person request at the Hawaii Department of Health for a registration of a Hawaii birth, even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

In the past few days, Abercrombie has represented that there is a registration of Obama's birth in the state archives.

But the state registration of birth in 1961 theoretically could prove only that the grandparents had registered Obama's birth, even if Obama was not born in Hawaii.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of baby Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since the newspaper announcements could have been triggered by the grandparents appearing in-person to register baby Obama as a Hawaiian birth, even if the baby was born elsewhere.

WND has documented that the address reported in the birth announcements published in the Hawaii newspapers at the time, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, was the address where the grandparents lived.

WND has also reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu at an 11th Avenue address, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Ann Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

It's possible the yet-undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering baby Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form record exists.

WND has confirmed with Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu, that Adams was indeed working in their elections offices during the last presidential election.

"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," Takahashi told WND.

Adams told WND he supported Hillary Clinton during the 2008 presidential election campaign.

He described himself as a libertarian who wants less government spending, fewer laws that restrict personal freedoms, more adherences to the Constitution and an end to foreign wars.

"I'm interested in individual liberty and upholding the Constitution," he said. "I want to get American troops out from foreign countries, and I want to see the federal budget balanced."

He said he might be inclined to support former-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee or former-Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney in 2012 to run against President Obama, but he has not yet made up his mind.

"It depends on how fiscally conservative Huckabee and Romney turn out to be on economics," he said. "But from what I know right now, they would probably be better than Obama."



Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1Ihw9kbRN

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401

:shocked:

:elaugh:

 

[Jon S.]

And the Governor says that it does exist. Whom am I supposed to believe? Hmmmm.....A FORMER elections official (who does not even deal with birth certificates and/or vital statistics), from a story from a non-reputable "news" source no less, or the sitting Governor of the State (Neil Abercrombie). Oh I get it, Obama's parents knew that he was to be the messiah, so they started this whole conspiracy at birth (as the birth was even announced, hospital and all, in the local newspaper at the time)! Who are they going to get to say that it doesn't exists next time...the former head of the Honolulu Department of Sanitation? Ha ha ha!

 

[Hot Mega]

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401

:shocked:

:elaugh:

Did you actually read this??

Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.


Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.

His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama's birth-certificate records.

So an election clerk (translation?) swears that someone told him that "no long-form, hospital generated birth cert. existed for ...Obama.." He's a fucking election clerk....why the fuck was it important to tell him of all people??

There is a WHOLE lot of wiggle room in that....IOW, more smoke than fire.

Again, a "Sr. Elections Clerk" swears that someone told him something???...:1orglaugh Question: Where the fuck is this guy (who allegedly told him this) and why isn't he coming forward with evidence so we can check his credibility.

Just enough wordsmithing and allot of double-speak, actually saying nothing to keep idiots peddling a suspicion.

This story is so full of trap-door innuendo and double-speak it is virtual comedy. The only tragedy is how many idiots will read this and actually think it's saying something.

There is no evidence this guy is anything more than some paper pusher discussing water cooler talk with Obama haters.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not being dismissive but this story doesn't say anything when you read it and the strains it goes through to elevate otherwise insignificant events of questionable relevance to appear important is something a majority of people with any sense couldn't stop laughing at. :1orglaugh Oh...:2 cents:

 

[ace.venturer]

Corrected for accuracy!

In all fairness, nothing that Obama could have produced would have been sufficient to the "Birthers" because it's not really about where he was born...it's because he is BLACK, and it is their worst nightmare realized! They can't even be honest about it. The Clinton's are about as dirty as they come...does anyone really think they wouldn't have forced him out of the election during the Democratic Primary had he been ineligible based on his place of birth? I mean come on!

I know I was born in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania and at Polyclinic Hospital on March 18, 1972. However, I can't actually prove that other than by providing documents from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (birth certificate, etc.), which only support the report from the hospital. I mean the Commonwealth doesn't even REALLY know where and when I was born when you seriously think about it. However, if someone wanted to doubt the validity of the documents, they could. I mean, come on, none of us can actually prove where and when we were born beyond ALL doubt. I'll give a million dollars to anyone who can prove to me where they were born beyond ALL doubt (not a REASONABLE doubt)...it can't be done! I mean what standard of proof would ever be sufficient to satisfy EVERYBODY? It can't be done either! Seeing that the "birthers" are such a small, yet annoying minority, you would never get them to come around and act rationally...like I said, it's not REALLY about where he was born anyway!

So, what is the point in all of this bs? I mean one schmuck in Congress was ignorant enough to think that the "collectable" Birth Certificate that you get from the hospital with the baby's foot prints and all, was an "official birth certificate," which...DUHHHH, it is not! The whole thing is beyond ludicrous!

At the end of the day, I would respect people if they would just come clean and admit that they can't stand the fact that we have a black President. And I have no respect for anyone in Washington who would sit silent to pander to a bunch of irrational retards (and racists), when they are smart enough to know the truth! In Trump's case, he is just a tool trying to get free press for his inevitable failed run for the White House!

:clap:

I've never heard anyone asking/demanding to see any other POTUS birth certificate. Why this one? The answer is obvious. :2 cents:

 

[Supafly]

Donald Trump is neitehr an idiot, a birther or whatever.

He is milking the media for what its worth, and they eat all of his bullshit

As long as the word 'TRUMP' is on a cover story, any story is good news to the Don :2 cents:

 

[Facetious]

"We're a nation of foolish people run by foolish and stupid people.''

- The Donald

 

[Jagger69]

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401

:shocked:

:elaugh:

You've got to be kidding, Scott. You are actually using World Net Daily as a factual reference? :surprise:

Check out their home page....looks like something you'd see in the check out line at the grocery store. Embarrassing.

http://www.wnd.com/

Anyone can choose to believe whatever they want about Obama's place of birth. The fact of the matter is that had it been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he indeed hadn't been born an American citizen his election would have been invalidated by now (or more likely, would have never taken place to begin with). The fact that it hasn't should provide an answer to any who have any question about the issue. I am of the opinion that those who continue to have doubts about it do so solely because they want it to be true.

 

[Hot Mega]

"We're a nation of foolish people run by foolish and stupid people.''

- The Donald

Closer Look: Are BP, Donald Trump, and Alan Greenspan telling the truth?

(excerpt)

Trump v. Obama: Flirting with a potential run for the Republican presidential nomination, Donald Trump has lately appeared to come out as a "birther," questioning whether President Obama was born in the United States. "The reason I have a little doubt, just a little, is because he grew up and nobody knew him," the New York developer and reality TV star said recently in an interview. "Nobody knows who he is until later in his life."

Really? Hawaii's governor, Neil Abercrombie, was a friend of Obama's parents, and says he remembers when Obama was born. Obama left Hawaii for several years when he was six, but two of his kindergarten teachers in Honolulu remember him, with one describing him as a "cute, likable, heavy-build child." As for later, here's a picture--one of many--of Obama with his high-school basketball team, released by the high school.

So this claim, too--that "nobody knew" Obama when he was growing up--gets the lowest rank on our gauge: "bogus."

:horse: at link.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110405/ts_yblog_thelookout/closer-look-are-bp-donald-trump-and-alan-greenspan-telling-the-truth

 

[Ulysses31]

You've got to be kidding, Scott. You are actually using World Net Daily as a factual reference? :surprise:

Check out their home page....looks like something you'd see in the check out line at the grocery store. Embarrassing.

http://www.wnd.com/

Anyone can choose to believe whatever they want about Obama's place of birth. The fact of the matter is that had it been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he indeed hadn't been born an American citizen his election would have been invalidated by now (or more likely, would have never taken place to begin with). The fact that it hasn't should provide an answer to any who have any question about the issue. I am of the opinion that those who continue to have doubts about it do so solely because they want it to be true.

Him not producing his birth certificate is the last thing we should be worried about :surprise:

http://www.anorak.co.uk/274651/poli...ast-muslims-to-united-states-source-says.html

 

[Hot Mega]

Him not producing his birth certificate is the last thing we should be worried about :surprise:

http://www.anorak.co.uk/274651/poli...ast-muslims-to-united-states-source-says.html

What I want to know is why 'the media' kept from us the picture in your link of Obama bearded and in a turban before I voted for him?? :cussing:

Forgot...they were all in O's pocket.

 

[ace.venturer]

You've got to be kidding, Scott. You are actually using World Net Daily as a factual reference? :surprise:

Check out their home page....looks like something you'd see in the check out line at the grocery store. Embarrassing.

http://www.wnd.com/

Anyone can choose to believe whatever they want about Obama's place of birth. The fact of the matter is that had it been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he indeed hadn't been born an American citizen his election would have been invalidated by now (or more likely, would have never taken place to begin with). The fact that it hasn't should provide an answer to any who have any question about the issue. I am of the opinion that those who continue to have doubts about it do so solely because they want it to be true.

Slam duck. :clap:

 

[TheDiamondStudd]

It seems it's true - liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[Jon S.]

One important thing that many fail to realize is the fact that, even the President of the United States has the same basic rights to privacy as does any member of this country. Granted, as he is a public figure, and in the public eye, that expectation is not a great as someone such as the people on this board, but he has privacy rights just the same.

To many, producing your birth certificate does not seem like that big a deal, and on the surface that belief would be correct. However, upon a more in depth examination, one realizes that something else would arise from it...setting a precedence! In short, if President Obama were to cave in this incidence, he would be opening the door to stranger and more intrusive requests for himself, and future Presidents. Once you open the door, even slightly, it's hard if not impossible to ever shut it again.

Finally, the fact still remains that President Obama is in a no-win situation regarding the whole birth certificate matter anyway, because those who claim they "don't believe" will never be convinced regardless of what President Obama were to produce. They would claim it was a forgery or something like that. Thus, nothing he could do will put the matter to rest.....in large part due to the fact that the whole driving force behind the "birther" movement isn't where President Obama was born to begin with! So what is the point again exactly?

 

[ace.venturer]

You've got to be kidding, Scott. You are actually using World Net Daily as a factual reference? :surprise:

Check out their home page....looks like something you'd see in the check out line at the grocery store. Embarrassing.

http://www.wnd.com/

Anyone can choose to believe whatever they want about Obama's place of birth. The fact of the matter is that had it been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he indeed hadn't been born an American citizen his election would have been invalidated by now (or more likely, would have never taken place to begin with). The fact that it hasn't should provide an answer to any who have any question about the issue. I am of the opinion that those who continue to have doubts about it do so solely because they want it to be true.

Slam duck. :clap:

I meant to say slam dunk. :clap: :clap:

 

[Ike Stain]

As crazy as it may sound, he does make some sense.

Republican Lawyers beat out the Dem Lawyers to get Bush II into office. You really think those same guys would not have completely shut down Obama from day one if he wasn't born in the U.S.?

Come one, man. You can't be that naive. This is purely the attention whore Trump grabbing headlines.

Good scoop though. I hadn't heard about this previously.

 

[Ulysses31]

He said 'they're taking our jobs!', classic South Park :1orglaugh





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[Bloodshot Scott]

You've got to be kidding, Scott. You are actually using World Net Daily as a factual reference? .

Eh, just throwing it out there. I don't necesarily doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii (I'm not a "birther") but the more you look into the allegations you obviously give it some thought.

 

[Hot Mega]

Eh, just throwing it out there. I don't necesarily doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii (I'm not a "birther") but the more I read from and listen to idiots the more I give it some thought.

Psst...BS Scott, that's the game. What you posted was a classic example. Say a bunch of nothing dressed up like something then sit back and see how far those who either don't know any better or feign ignorance can spread it.

If one didn't read closely what was actually being said, they would probably 'give it some thought'.:2 cents: