Donald Sterling Story Is Multi-Demographical Awesomeness

[Ace Bandage]

It's my understanding that he asked his daughter not to bring any black people to the game or something like that and it was not a public/working speech. That's a private conversation and does not fit into the KFC scenario you have exposed.

As I posted before, it was Sterling's girlfriend, V. Stiviano (yes, that's her legal name) who allegedly leaked the information to TMZ. And she did that because she's being sued by Sterling's estranged wife to get back property and cars that Sterling bought for Stiviano.

This is also my biggest problem with all of this: she leaked a private conversation as retribution for being sued. Both of them are morally bankrupt. There aren't any good guys in this fight.

Also, being fired is different from being expropriated: for what i know he owns the Clippers because he bought them with his own money and "being forced" to sell sounds pretty much like comunist Russia in the 70's. I'm sorry, but i rest my case.

As an owner, Sterling is bound by the NBA constitution. You don't get to own a team unless you agree to their terms regardless of how much money you have. One of the provisions of that constitution allows the commissioner to ban someone for life if their behavior is deemed detrimental to the league. That has already happened. Sterling is essentially banned from any contact with the team.

They also require three quarters majority to strip him of the team. It is my understanding that this has not happened yet. Owning an NBA franchise is a privilege, not a right. If the other owners deem you unfit of owning a team, they have the right to strip you of ownership. That is likely the next step. I don't think it's right, but once the media starts the fire, everyone else is going to feed it.

I would expect Mr. Obama to take the cause of Mr. Sterling, yet (as i already said) condemning his view. Today it's about black, tomorrow about gays, the day after tomorrow maybe it's just about whoever dislike us as individuals. This is a very very dangerous territory. Another one of those that ppl don't realize how dangerous it is until they one day find themselves personally involved and stripped of their rights. If this is how people fight racism, i don't want to be part of it; in fact i think they are fueling it.

Agree completely.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

As an owner, Sterling is bound by the NBA constitution. You don't get to own a team unless you agree to their terms regardless of how much money you have. One of the provisions of that constitution allows the commissioner to ban someone for life if their behavior is deemed detrimental to the league. That has already happened. Sterling is essentially banned from any contact with the team.

They also require three quarters majority to strip him of the team. It is my understanding that this has not happened yet. Owning an NBA franchise is a privilege, not a right. If the other owners deem you unfit of owning a team, they have the right to strip you of ownership. That is likely the next step. I don't think it's right, but once the media starts the fire, everyone else is going to feed it.

Thank you for the explanation. Si if the 75% of the decides he has to sell: for what price? Can he sell to whom he wants? Is he going to be forced to lose money like with a timed period within he must sell, no matter who comes forward to buy? This really sounds all like from another planet. I thought the US were the country of private property and capitalism, but i obviously was wrong.

 

[BCT]

It's my understanding that he asked his daughter not to bring any black people to the game or something like that and it was not a public/working speech. That's a private conversation and does not fit into the KFC scenario you have exposed. Also, being fired is different from being expropriated: for what i know he owns the Clippers because he bought them with his own money and "being forced" to sell sounds pretty much like comunist Russia in the 70's. I'm sorry, but i rest my case. I would expect Mr. Obama to take the cause of Mr. Sterling, yet (as i already said) condemning his view. Today it's about black, tomorrow about gays, the day after tomorrow maybe it's just about whoever dislike us as individuals. This is a very very dangerous territory. Another one of those that ppl don't realize how dangerous it is until they one day find themselves personally involved and stripped of their rights. If this is how people fight racism, i don't want to be part of it; in fact i think they are fueling it.

Of course they're fueling it, you don't think they're actually trying to solve the problem do you? Divide and Conquer.

 

[Ace Bandage]

Thank you for the explanation. Si if the 75% of the decides he has to sell: for what price? Can he sell to whom he wants? Is he going to be forced to lose money like with a timed period within he must sell, no matter who comes forward to buy? This really sounds all like from another planet. I thought the US were the country of private property and capitalism, but i obviously was wrong.

Realistically, he could sell the team for $2 like you said and be fine financially. He's worth about 2 billion dollars so losing the team isn't going to break him.

He can sell to anyone that the other owners would approve of (assuming they can handle the financial responsibility). I'm interested to see how this turns out. His estranged wife has distanced herself from his comments and might try some litigation or other maneuvering to get control of the team. I'm not sure how that works to be honest. What if he sold controlling stake to her, and then kept himself on as minority owner? I don't know if he can do that or not. He'd still be banned from any contact with the team. And the other owners may want someone new in there.

Regardless, if and when he does sell, I imagine he would recoup most of his investment. And if he didn't... well, he's still a billionaire.

 

[wdoall]

they can't force him to settle for less than the estimated value of the team but you are correct the other owners have to agree up on the new owner

 

[bobjustbob]

Sabrina, the government has nothing to do with this. The government has no say in how this private organization writes it's rules. They are allowed to let in who the want and toss out by their own terms. Let's say that I form a single men's club. The only rules are that you pay $5 per month and be a single man. I'm allowed to do this. If you get married then your 5 bucks don't entitle you to remain a member. I can do this with a blonde haired men's club. Shaved headed single men's club. It doesn't matter. The NBA is just another club.

The NBA won't sell the club for less than what it is worth. They revenue share and want all of the houses on their block to have maximum value.

 

[sean miguel]

“What Donald said was wrong. It was abhorrent. There’s no place for racism in the NBA, any business I’m associated with, and I don’t want to be associated with people who have that position.

“But at the same time, that’s a decision I make. I think you’ve got to be very, very careful when you start making blanket statements about what people say and think, as opposed to what they do. It’s a very, very slippery slope.

“Again, there’s no excuse for his positions. There’s no excuse for what he said. There’s no excuse for anybody to support racism. There’s no place for it in our league, but there’s a very, very, very slippery slope.

“If it’s about racism and we’re ready to kick people out of the league, OK? Then what about homophobia? What about somebody who doesn’t like a particular religion. What about somebody who’s anti-semitic What about a xenophobe?

“In this country, people are allowed to be morons.”

"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...g-clips-owner-article-1.1772540#ixzz30LDnWPfv

Shouldn’t we be equally angered by the fact that his private, intimate conversation was taped and then leaked to the media? Didn’t we just call to task the NSA for intruding into American citizen’s privacy in such an un-American way? Although the impact is similar to Mitt Romney’s comments that were secretly taped, the difference is that Romney was giving a public speech. The making and release of this tape is so sleazy that just listening to it makes me feel like an accomplice to the crime. We didn’t steal the cake but we’re all gorging ourselves on it.

http://time.com/79590/donald-sterling-kareem-abdul-jabbar-racism/


The NBA is a private organization but can they, yes, discriminate against an owner because of their privately held views? How Sterling felt about other minority groups was no big secret but it was this taped conversation that started the fire storm and what made him lose his team. I'd be curious how many other NBA owners have expressed similar views over the dinner table. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence, but speech in the privacy of your own home should be.

 

[Will E Worm]

And probably the most absurd thing in all of this:

Yay, because fuck using this bigot's money to improve humanity. Do you think he just acquired these views last week? No, he's had them for awhile... you know, like back when you initially accepted his money. Who exactly is benefiting from your decision not to accept $425,000 for kidney research?

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Fuck Adam Silver and and his Silver boys. If i was Sterling i'd sell for 2$ to the first walking person and let the Clippers die. It breaks my heart to see America going down like this. Freedom of speech my FUCKING ASS! R.I.P.

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How's this for hypocrisy? Someone complaining about racism while being a racist. Guess you consider the source who is a douchebag.

Wonder what kinda glass jaw Snoop Dogg has in real life. Talk about a face made for a fist.

Donald Sterling is definately not Jewish.

He is one and so is Silver.

Freedom of speech and the first amendment protect you from the United States government. Sterling is not yet involved in any legal entanglements. His right to free speech also has not been infringed upon. He had the right to say whatever he wanted, and goddammit did he ever. And as a result of his remarks, he is now facing consequences.

The NBA can't make rules that trump the Constitution.

Why not just make a rule that they are a tax free organization. :1orglaugh

So you are saying that a private organization can rule over the freedom-of-speech constitutional right ?

They shouldn't be able to.

Sabrina, the government has nothing to do with this. The government has no say in how this private organization writes it's rules. They are allowed to let in who the want and toss out by their own terms. Let's say that I form a single men's club. The only rules are that you pay $5 per month and be a single man. I'm allowed to do this. If you get married then your 5 bucks don't entitle you to remain a member. I can do this with a blonde haired men's club. Shaved headed single men's club. It doesn't matter. The NBA is just another club.

The NBA won't sell the club for less than what it is worth. They revenue share and want all of the houses on their block to have maximum value.

If the government doesn't have anything to do with this, why were they in baseball and steriod controversy?

 

[MustBeGood]

1He is one and so is Silver.

2The NBA can't make rules that trump the Constitution.

1 If you feel that way about Jews, hope you are not a Jada Stevens fan.

2 Yeah they can just like the Augusta National Golf Club can keep out women golfers.

 

[MustBeGood]

Racism exist everywhere. TMZ knows that and to give credence to their GOSSIP style news, they jumped quick to report this.

Problem is in America, we love to over react on race related matters like OJ, Travon and now this.

You have the power to turn the TV off and avoid becoming part of the racial divide by not taking a stand on one side or the other.

 

[Mayhem]

Reports that Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling is something of a racist isn't exactly breaking news for anyone who's followed the NBA team at all closely over the past several decades, so why was it treated as such?

ESPN host Bomani Jones is very familiar with Sterling's history of racism. Back in 2006, the sports writer and pundit wrote a column titled "Sterling's racism should be news" following the Department of Justice suing Sterling for housing discrimination. Sterling allegedly refused to rent apartments he owned to African Americans, Latinos and people with children in the suit and, though he denied the charges, agreed to a settlement of $2.765 million in 2009. A separate housing discrimination lawsuit dates back to 2003.

On the Miami-based Dan Le Batard Show on Monday, Jones launched into an impassioned 10-minute speech addressing why, despite allegations of Sterling's racism being well documented for decades, the story has been so inescapable today.

"This is the only opportunity that a lot of people have where they feel comfortable within their souls, within their psyches to stand against racism," Jones said on the ESPN Radio program. "'Cause it's so easy to do it on this right here and it's so scandalous."

Jones went on to bring up the death of a good friend of his, 32-year-old Leonore Draper, an anti-violence activist who was fatally shot outside her Chicago home on Friday, the same night she attended a charity event she helped organize. And he explained why Sterling's previous displays of racism mattered even more than the shocking words on audiotape.

"We hear all this stuff that goes on in Chicago and all these people who die, who lose their lives," he said. "All that stuff that's happening in Chicago is a byproduct of housing discrimination. … Housing discrimination is the biggest reason that we can point to historically for why we've got all these dead kids in Chicago fighting for turf, fighting for real estate with poor accommodations and facilities and everything that you're supposed to have in a city, poor education, all of this because the tax dollars and everything else decided to move away."

Jones continued:

"When we start looking at all these people in these lists who are dying as an economic byproduct of the people like Donald Sterling and you now have a problem because, oh my God, he said something that intimated that he doesn't respect his players? I'm calling you out as a fraud."

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver announced in a Tuesday press conference that Sterling has been banned from the NBA for life and will be fined $2.5 million.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/29/bomani-jones-donald-sterling_n_5233565.html

 

[Rey C.]

Realistically, he could sell the team for $2 like you said and be fine financially. He's worth about 2 billion dollars so losing the team isn't going to break him.

It wouldn't break him to sell the team for $2 (or some give-away amount), but with the net value of the team representing about 25% of his net worth, he would surely feel it. And with many of his investments being in real estate, his ability to finance future deals could be impaired by this.

He can sell to anyone that the other owners would approve of (assuming they can handle the financial responsibility). I'm interested to see how this turns out. His estranged wife has distanced herself from his comments and might try some litigation or other maneuvering to get control of the team. I'm not sure how that works to be honest. What if he sold controlling stake to her, and then kept himself on as minority owner? I don't know if he can do that or not. He'd still be banned from any contact with the team. And the other owners may want someone new in there.

Regardless, if and when he does sell, I imagine he would recoup most of his investment. And if he didn't... well, he's still a billionaire.

I doubt the owners would allow a deal that involved him at any level. But I don't know. Why would any future owner (his wife or anyone else) want him involved, when that alone would keep sponsors and fans ($) away?

 

[wdoall]

lol some of you need to learn constitutional law there is no First Amendment violation here. you are allowed to say what you wish but there can be repercussions for that speech

 

[Rey C.]

lol some of you need to learn constitutional law there is no First Amendment violation here. you are allowed to say what you wish but there can be repercussions for that speech

It always cracks me up when people start quoting the 1st Amendment in situations like this. If he wanted to, Donnie Sterling could start a blog or a newspaper tomorrow and repeat exactly what he said on that tape. Life would get even shittier for him than it is right now, but the government wouldn't/couldn't stop him.

Something else I just read (don't know whether it's true or not), but he apparently knew that his gal-pal was taping that conversation. I guess the old boy thought he was a big pimp or something. "Tape me, beyotch! I'm The Man! I don't care!!!" You try to take a girl's Ferrari away from her and you can expect some foul shit to go down. Especially if she's had to give it up to some dried up old prune twice her age to get it. Donnie shoulda known that. :nono:

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

If he screened his girlfriends like his tenants he probably wouldn't have had this trouble. A person's inconsistency can eat them alive.

 

[Rey C.]

If you're married and you have girlfriends, your (potential) troubles started long before your need to screen them.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

I think the only people I have any sympathy or concern for are Doc Rivers and the Clippers Players.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

If you're married and you have girlfriends, your (potential) troubles started long before your need to screen them.

That too. Good point.

 

[Ace Bandage]

The NBA can't make rules that trump the Constitution.

Why not just make a rule that they are a tax free organization. :1orglaugh

They're not making rules that trump the constitution. They're a business just like anyone else. And like other businesses, they have a code of conduct. Part of that code of conduct says that you can't go around making an ass out of yourself in public (i.e. making statements about not liking Black people). When Sterling bought the Clippers, he agreed to be bound by the league constitution. Now, that he has violated provisions in said constitution, they're rightfully taking action against him. Owning an NBA team is a privilege, not a right.

Also, as I explained before, this is not a first amendment issue. The United States government is not banning him from the league. The United States government will not be holding a vote with the other owners to determine if he has to sell the team. The NBA can police itself in matters like this. The only way the government would get involved would be if some of this went to court. Right now, everything is being handled by the NBA.

And the NBA, like other pro sports leagues, does not pay taxes. They are considered non-profit organizations. All profits go to employees and owners, and they pay taxes. The league itself, however, does not pay any taxes. So there would be no need to declare themselves tax free... they already are.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

If Donald Sterling was any more foolish his name would be Mickey Rooney.