Does plagiarism or borrowing ideas diminish your opinion of books, movies, etc?
BNF
Ex-SuperMod
The Coen brothers did a movie about writer's block and art in Hollywood called Barton Fink.
Barton writes a great, sucessful play and goes to write a movie in Hollywood. He stumbles and can't get any inspiration. Eventually, the studio boss barks that quote above at him. (It implies that once someone has a good idea, that it is then reproduced and rehashed - and in this case he's telling the guy that wrote the original.)
Barton writes a great, sucessful play and goes to write a movie in Hollywood. He stumbles and can't get any inspiration. Eventually, the studio boss barks that quote above at him. (It implies that once someone has a good idea, that it is then reproduced and rehashed - and in this case he's telling the guy that wrote the original.)
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
In a sense, plagiarism is almost unavoidable now-a-days. Pretty much everything has already been written about and every style has already been used somewhere.
Yes, I'd be mad if someone copied something I "created", but chances are, my "creation" has probably already been made by someone else years before I even thought of it.
Yes, I'd be mad if someone copied something I "created", but chances are, my "creation" has probably already been made by someone else years before I even thought of it.
I think those who really plagiarize deserve no credit for what they do. I've never cheated in my writing and have refused to let others copy mine.
A promenent member here wrote an impressive article in a post, that was curiously found word for word at other internet sites. Maybe it was a pen name?
A promenent member here wrote an impressive article in a post, that was curiously found word for word at other internet sites. Maybe it was a pen name?
Both JK Rowling and, for example, Terry Pratchett have written stories set in a boarding school where the new pupils arrive and have to adjust to life, lessons and each other. And JK Rowling did not steal from Terry Pratchett and Terry Pratchett did not steal from JK Rowling - they both stole from Thomas Hughes and his book Tom Brown's School Days published in 1857.
Tom Brown's School Days @ Project Guttenburg
Now Hughes' book was set at Rugby Public School and not Hogwarts (or the Assassin's Guild School) and there was absolutely no witchcraft or wizardry taught (or inhuming) and only the occasional game of Quidditch and no Edificing at all! Okay, no Quidditch, either.
So Rowling and Prattchet both stole from the same source but manage to write completely different stories from each other. And stories completely different from the original as well.
So it doesn't matter where writers steal from - because they all do - but what they manage to do with what they've stolen. Do they actually add anything? Can they take a story or a situation that is centuries old and make it relevant to the readers of today. The best can.
Many of the plays of William Shakespeare were based on earlier works but he altered the stories and added concepts that his society at that time was interested in - political themes as well as social and gender issues that were relevant to the people paying to see his plays.
And the tradition continues with the best film adaptations of his plays. Baz Lurhman's Romeo + Juliet and Akira Kurosawa's Throne of Blood to name just two. Both completely different from each other and also completely different from the original plays they are based on. But both very original and exciting and engaging and relevant. Both expertly express the attitudes of the societies that they are set in as well as the personalities of the directors who made them.
The best artists are the most selfish artists. Everything to them is autobiography. So no matter what the steal and from whom once they get hold of it it becomes their own. They put themselves into everything they do and that's what make their work unique and original no matter how derivative and "stolen" it actually is.
Movie remakes: David Cronenberg's remake of "The Fly" - Brilliant! Ditto John Carpenter's remake of "The Thing". Michael Bay remake of "Parts: The Clonus Horror" as "The Island" - I don't know because I've never seen it.
Tom Brown's School Days @ Project Guttenburg
Now Hughes' book was set at Rugby Public School and not Hogwarts (or the Assassin's Guild School) and there was absolutely no witchcraft or wizardry taught (or inhuming) and only the occasional game of Quidditch and no Edificing at all! Okay, no Quidditch, either.
So Rowling and Prattchet both stole from the same source but manage to write completely different stories from each other. And stories completely different from the original as well.
So it doesn't matter where writers steal from - because they all do - but what they manage to do with what they've stolen. Do they actually add anything? Can they take a story or a situation that is centuries old and make it relevant to the readers of today. The best can.
Many of the plays of William Shakespeare were based on earlier works but he altered the stories and added concepts that his society at that time was interested in - political themes as well as social and gender issues that were relevant to the people paying to see his plays.
And the tradition continues with the best film adaptations of his plays. Baz Lurhman's Romeo + Juliet and Akira Kurosawa's Throne of Blood to name just two. Both completely different from each other and also completely different from the original plays they are based on. But both very original and exciting and engaging and relevant. Both expertly express the attitudes of the societies that they are set in as well as the personalities of the directors who made them.
The best artists are the most selfish artists. Everything to them is autobiography. So no matter what the steal and from whom once they get hold of it it becomes their own. They put themselves into everything they do and that's what make their work unique and original no matter how derivative and "stolen" it actually is.
Movie remakes: David Cronenberg's remake of "The Fly" - Brilliant! Ditto John Carpenter's remake of "The Thing". Michael Bay remake of "Parts: The Clonus Horror" as "The Island" - I don't know because I've never seen it.
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
I think those who really plagiarize deserve no credit for what they do. I've never cheated in my writing and have refused to let others copy mine.
A promenent member here wrote an impressive article in a post, that was curiously found word for word at other internet sites. Maybe it was a pen name?
-squallumz
A promenent member here wrote an impressive article in a post, that was curiously found word for word at other internet sites. Maybe it was a pen name?
-squallumz
dave_rhino
Closed Account
Sometimes yes, sometimes no...
Is there an echo in here?:nanner:
depends on two things: how I felt about the original and whether the rip off was good or not.
if I loved the original, then I will most likely take offense and condemn the rip off.
If I don't really care about the original, then I'll probably at least give the rip off a chance.
If it is badly done, then I will critisize it for being a rip off and a waste of time.
if it is good, then honestly, I'll probably like it and not care that it was a rip off.
if I loved the original, then I will most likely take offense and condemn the rip off.
If I don't really care about the original, then I'll probably at least give the rip off a chance.
If it is badly done, then I will critisize it for being a rip off and a waste of time.
if it is good, then honestly, I'll probably like it and not care that it was a rip off.
Squallumz, these original works are brimming with sheer brilliance! Perhaps I can interest you in a book deal?
Why pay him?Just steal it!:thumbsup:
dick van cock
Closed Account
Stardust Memories: (1980)
audience member: "Is the scene in the laboratory a tribute to House of Wax, Mr. Roberts"?
Eric Roberts: "I wouldn't call it a tribute. We just stole the idea!"
:1orglaugh
audience member: "Is the scene in the laboratory a tribute to House of Wax, Mr. Roberts"?
Eric Roberts: "I wouldn't call it a tribute. We just stole the idea!"
:1orglaugh
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
sure! but ill go under my pen name, dave_rhino.
