Does it bother you that some porn stars REFUSE to work with black guys?

[Vanessa_Blue]

This is has been an interesting thread to read and I felt a desire to comment on it. So.....

What isn't told to the end consumer is that there are a myriad of reasons why white girls won't work with black guys and it's usually not due to racism or prejudice. I will list a few of the reasons I've heard as a female talent and director in adult for the last 12 years:

1. The models Family will really be mad at her and possibly disown her altogether. (because fucking on camera isn't as bad as a black dick in your mouth! LOL)

2. The models boyfriend really hates black guys and can't stomach the idea of her in an IR scene. (However, once they breakup she becomes the biggest black dick jumper on earth- example:Kelly MF Wells- I Luv this woman! )

3. The models agent/agency believes that they can charge more for the model who hasn't performed any IR so they forbid it until the model has been shot-out and then when the work is scarce they revamp her career by letting her fuck Mr. Marcus.

4. The model has been told by people in the biz that banging brothers will hurt her fanbase and the white fans will hate her and not come to her feature dance gigs down south if she does any IR whatsoever.
5. The model enters adult and doesn't get a chance to meet Mr. Marcus but instead sees the thug ethnic talent and decides she'd rather not engage in gangbang-style sex on video....until the work runs out, then she'll proudly grace the cover of "Gangland Stomp #952" Mind you this same model in private sees more black dick than the urinal at The Apollo Theatre...

6. My personal favorite reason: the pretty white girl who's knows she can make just as much money if not more by skipping that genre altogether and holding out for a big contract. If she doesn't get snapped up by her 30's and the work runs out she will then do all the IR her vagina can handle.

I find all of those reasons crazy but it IS her body and her decision. I will admit that it pains me that as a black female if I chose to only work with brothers no one would know my name. I had to push hard to work with white males in order to be seen and was called a sell-out by alot of the black talent for doing so. People do what's profitable for them and as time and situations change for the model so may her perceptions of working with other races.

Even though I don't really do boy/girl scenes anymore i find it's still hard to find white women who will simply do girl/girl or fetish scenes with me without trying to charge me their "Black Rate". (yes, there is actually a black rate! Some girls charge more for working with blacks).
It's painfully insulting but a reality that cannot be avoided if you choose to work in the adult biz.

The last scene I tried the book the "STAR" wanted $2500 to do a softcore catfight scene with me when the standard pay was $700! Needless to say she was easily replaced with a model who was better and happy to do the scene with me.

 

[meesterperfect]

Nice post Ms Blue.
It seems to be that its really all about the money.
Business tends to be that way.
IR obviously sells well, therefore more money will be made, therefore the actresses ask for more also.

I had to push hard to work with white males in order to be seen and was called a sell-out by alot of the black talent for doing so.

So there is racism after all.

 

[Spleen]

Nope. I don't like watching porn with a black guys in.


I suppose that makes me a racist?

 

[excitedlybored]

yea , sort of racist if you ask me

 

[jimmymardikian]

not Kim Kardashian

 

[Gregggy]

It is a turn off

 

[cartman24]

No, if someone isn't attracted to someone thats fine with me. Just because someone doesn't want to have sexual relations with someone else doesn't always imply racism, just different taste.

 

[iv6789]

When your job is sex, it's a little different. You have to admit that.

 

[Hot Mega]

This is has been an interesting thread to read and I felt a desire to comment on it. So.....

What isn't told to the end consumer is that there are a myriad of reasons why white girls won't work with black guys and it's usually not due to racism or prejudice. I will list a few of the reasons I've heard as a female talent and director in adult for the last 12 years:

1. The models Family will really be mad at her and possibly disown her altogether. (because fucking on camera isn't as bad as a black dick in your mouth! LOL)

2. The models boyfriend really hates black guys and can't stomach the idea of her in an IR scene. (However, once they breakup she becomes the biggest black dick jumper on earth- example:Kelly MF Wells- I Luv this woman! )

3. The models agent/agency believes that they can charge more for the model who hasn't performed any IR so they forbid it until the model has been shot-out and then when the work is scarce they revamp her career by letting her fuck Mr. Marcus.

4. The model has been told by people in the biz that banging brothers will hurt her fanbase and the white fans will hate her and not come to her feature dance gigs down south if she does any IR whatsoever.
5. The model enters adult and doesn't get a chance to meet Mr. Marcus but instead sees the thug ethnic talent and decides she'd rather not engage in gangbang-style sex on video....until the work runs out, then she'll proudly grace the cover of "Gangland Stomp #952" Mind you this same model in private sees more black dick than the urinal at The Apollo Theatre...

6. My personal favorite reason: the pretty white girl who's knows she can make just as much money if not more by skipping that genre altogether and holding out for a big contract. If she doesn't get snapped up by her 30's and the work runs out she will then do all the IR her vagina can handle.

I find all of those reasons crazy but it IS her body and her decision. I will admit that it pains me that as a black female if I chose to only work with brothers no one would know my name. I had to push hard to work with white males in order to be seen and was called a sell-out by alot of the black talent for doing so. People do what's profitable for them and as time and situations change for the model so may her perceptions of working with other races.

Even though I don't really do boy/girl scenes anymore i find it's still hard to find white women who will simply do girl/girl or fetish scenes with me without trying to charge me their "Black Rate". (yes, there is actually a black rate! Some girls charge more for working with blacks).
It's painfully insulting but a reality that cannot be avoided if you choose to work in the adult biz.

The last scene I tried the book the "STAR" wanted $2500 to do a softcore catfight scene with me when the standard pay was $700! Needless to say she was easily replaced with a model who was better and happy to do the scene with me.

Pretty interesting VB....but actually most of the reasons you cite here are a product of racism. It's been my thinking that if the "model" isn't a racist herself, the other 9 times out of the ten she won't do I/R is because the racism of people associated with her which you've pretty much pointed out in your post.

It's funny when I read people continue to trot out the not being attracted excuse. Don't get me wrong, you're free to fuck who you want to fuck but when you're being paid to fuck that's a different ball game than who you prefer to fuck in your personal life IMO.

People of all races don't have one singular or monolithic look. Therefore the notion that a person who's being paid to fuck can find someone unattractive in any event just based on race is pretty absurd IMO and only a practical reality to a person who is simply racist.

 

[sexdog121]

Whether you want to admit it or not, it's racist. Especially considering they'll work with people other than white people, just not blacks.
I don't see how that's not racist.
Same goes for black girls who only fuck black men. It's still racist.

So is it sexist to only want to do lesbo scenes?

 

[TrueTranssexual]

Nobody likes rejection, and unfortunately some of the guys upset over some porno star who refuses to have sex with men of their race are experiencing some form of it at some level. You are giving way too much importance to this women, when there are plenty willing to have sex with black men. That says more about you, than about them, I think.

Being paid to fuck doesn't have to mean you have to fuck anything that moves and is legal, especially when it completely turns you off. Obviously this women are still making money without having to fuck who they don't want.

Sexual attraction and selection is completely biased, we all have different taste on what we find sexually desirable or not. That doesn't mean we hate people who don't fit our "type." Didn't you guys learn this in school?

 

[meesterperfect]

Pretty interesting VB....but actually most of the reasons you cite here are a product of racism. It's been my thinking that if the "model" isn't a racist herself, the other 9 times out of the ten she won't do I/R is because the racism of people associated with her which you've pretty much pointed out in your post.

It's funny when I read people continue to trot out the not being attracted excuse. Don't get me wrong, you're free to fuck who you want to fuck but when you're being paid to fuck that's a different ball game than who you prefer to fuck in your personal life IMO.

People of all races don't have one singular or monolithic look. Therefore the notion that a person who's being paid to fuck can find someone unattractive in any event just based on race is pretty absurd IMO and only a practical reality to a person who is simply racist.

I had to push hard to work with white males in order to be seen and was called a sell-out by alot of the black talent for doing so

the only direct proof of actual racism as oppossed to personal preference in her post......i see you openly didnt address that.

what happened mega? why do you pick and choose to create a view you feel good about?

I live in colombia, i get rejected all the time, why, 2 reasons: one because i am a gringo, but mostly because I am pretty muscular, i lift heavy every day for years.
most colombian girls like colombian guys that are basically anerexic, skinny as hell with the bone structure of a 10 year old, not to mention just plain ugly. they (the men) ALL live with their mommys too.

I dont get angry or cry racism, its their personal preference based on their narrowminded culture

 

[Hot Mega]

I had to push hard to work with white males in order to be seen and was called a sell-out by alot of the black talent for doing so

the only direct proof of actual racism as oppossed to personal preference in her post......i see you openly didnt address that.

what happened mega? why do you pick and choose to create a view you feel good about?

Didn't feel the need to....I don't know what she or they meant by "sell out" and maybe you've been out of the States too long. But usually the term "sell out" refers to one who compromises some principle to get something others feel of less intangible value than the principle you're compromising.

She said she had to "push hard"...I don't know what that entailed and maybe some of the people who called her a "sell out" did so because of what she thought she had to do in order to work with whites...seems pretty simple to me. Hard to imagine guys in porn calling her a "sell out" for merely doing I/R porn when most of them are doing I/R porn.:dunno:

If they did somehow mean it simply because she did I/R....hard to take serious a racist in the first place not to mention a hypocritical racist to boot.:thumbsup:

She also said, some "STAR" wanted to be paid nearly 4 times the going rate to do a scene with her just because it was I/R....Maybe VB thinks people who would pay that hurt her cause and are a "sell out" too....I would.

I live in colombia, i get rejected all the time, why, 2 reasons: one because i am a gringo, but mostly because I am pretty muscular, i lift heavy every day for years.
most colombian girls like colombian guys that are basically anerexic, skinny as hell with the bone structure of a 10 year old, not to mention just plain ugly. they (the men) ALL live with their mommys too.

I dont get angry or cry racism, its their personal preference based on their narrowminded culture

I'm not sure where to begin with this....well, first...aren't many Colombians racially caucasian anyway??? Since that's the case it's probably a certainty that you are simply not physically attractive to them. However, IF you went and paid some chick who gets paid to fuck in Colombia the only color they're going to worry about is the color of the money you're paying them with. That would be the analogy to porn....not regular relationships.

 

[meesterperfect]

Didn't feel the need to....I don't know what she or they meant by "sell out" and maybe you've been out of the States too long. But usually the term "sell out" refers to one who compromises some principle to get something others feel of less intangible value than the principle you're compromising.

She said she had to "push hard"...I don't know what that entailed and maybe some of the people who called her a "sell out" did so because of what she thought she had to do in order to work with whites...seems pretty simple to me. Hard to imagine guys in porn calling her a "sell out" for merely doing I/R porn when most of them are doing I/R porn.:dunno:

If they did somehow mean it simply because she did I/R....hard to take serious a racist in the first place not to mention a hypocritical racist to boot.:thumbsup:

She also said, some "STAR" wanted to be paid nearly 4 times the going rate to do a scene with her just because it was I/R....Maybe VB thinks people who would pay that hurt her cause and are a "sell out" too....I would.

Ok, no more beating the zebra, its already dead.
we just see things differntly on this.

I'm not sure where to begin with this....well, first...aren't many Colombians racially caucasian anyway??? Since that's the case it's probably a certainty that you are simply not physically attractive to them. However, IF you went and paid some chick who gets paid to fuck in Colombia your the only color they're going to worry about is the color of the money you're paying them with.

ok, clarification time. yes they are mostly caucasion, but i am also caucasion (italian/german).
I do hook up with many, but many do reject me, mainly cause they like skinny flaciitos instead of developed men.
my point is its not racist, its only that to many, dudes that weigh more than 130lbs arent theyre type,
just as to many black dudes arent their type.


funny, asian dudes probably have it the worst, i never hear anyone crying racism for them.
I guess thats a sociological white guilt thing

 

[Hot Mega]

ok, clarification time. yes they are mostly caucasion, but i am also caucasion (italian/german).
I do hook up with many, but many do reject me, mainly cause they like skinny flaciitos instead of developed men.
my point is its not racist, its only that to many, dudes that weigh more than 130lbs arent theyre type,
just as to many black dudes arent their type.


funny, asian dudes probably have it the worst, i never hear anyone crying racism for them.
I guess thats a sociological white guilt thing

Again you haven't said anything. Is it a revelation that most chicks for example identify with men they culturally identify with??? Not to me....there are chicks here in the states who identify with men more that are from their city than guys for other cities....just from a culture, style of dress etc. No biggie...

And still, we're not talking about who you're trying to be in a relationship with...If you can't see that difference you're blinder than a bat.

I don't see it as people bitching but but it's silly not to expect people to reject or object to the notion of apparent racism no matter where it's found.

I personally don't care who does what....there are enough hot chicks who do I/R so if a person is into that specifically...they have enough to chose from that worrying about who doesn't is a waste of time IMO.

Asian dudes in mainstream/American porn....:1orglaugh Uh, I suppose we'll never know since there aren't any/enough to take serious the notion.

 

[girk1]

This is has been an interesting thread to read and I felt a desire to comment on it. So.....

What isn't told to the end consumer is that there are a myriad of reasons why white girls won't work with black guys and it's usually not due to racism or prejudice. I will list a few of the reasons I've heard as a female talent and director in adult for the last 12 years:

1. The models Family will really be mad at her and possibly disown her altogether. (because fucking on camera isn't as bad as a black dick in your mouth! LOL)

2. The models boyfriend really hates black guys and can't stomach the idea of her in an IR scene. (However, once they breakup she becomes the biggest black dick jumper on earth- example:Kelly MF Wells- I Luv this woman! )

3. The models agent/agency believes that they can charge more for the model who hasn't performed any IR so they forbid it until the model has been shot-out and then when the work is scarce they revamp her career by letting her fuck Mr. Marcus.

4. The model has been told by people in the biz that banging brothers will hurt her fanbase and the white fans will hate her and not come to her feature dance gigs down south if she does any IR whatsoever.
5. The model enters adult and doesn't get a chance to meet Mr. Marcus but instead sees the thug ethnic talent and decides she'd rather not engage in gangbang-style sex on video....until the work runs out, then she'll proudly grace the cover of "Gangland Stomp #952" Mind you this same model in private sees more black dick than the urinal at The Apollo Theatre...

6. My personal favorite reason: the pretty white girl who's knows she can make just as much money if not more by skipping that genre altogether and holding out for a big contract. If she doesn't get snapped up by her 30's and the work runs out she will then do all the IR her vagina can handle.

I find all of those reasons crazy but it IS her body and her decision. I will admit that it pains me that as a black female if I chose to only work with brothers no one would know my name. I had to push hard to work with white males in order to be seen and was called a sell-out by alot of the black talent for doing so. People do what's profitable for them and as time and situations change for the model so may her perceptions of working with other races.

Even though I don't really do boy/girl scenes anymore i find it's still hard to find white women who will simply do girl/girl or fetish scenes with me without trying to charge me their "Black Rate". (yes, there is actually a black rate! Some girls charge more for working with blacks).
It's painfully insulting but a reality that cannot be avoided if you choose to work in the adult biz.

Interesting post.

I have mentioned this elsewhere that the Model may not be racist/prejudice herself , but there is the legacy of White supremacy/racism that they succumb to. So it IS RACISM that is at the ROOT of most White womens' refusal to do IR. They have succumbed to the pressure of this society that says having sex with a 'black guy' is beneath them ,but getting pissed on, spit in her face,ten man gang bangs,bukkake,etc..... is okay:dunno:

Most models(who refuse IR) may have the attitude that 'a dick is dick' ,but there is so much pressure around her not to do IR & that's why I REALLY like girls who are strong enough to withstand the constant pressure on her not to do it.


Ms BLUE? Do you know any active Black girls who refuse to do a scene with White/Asian men? I have asked this question before(to complete silence) & it is virtually unheard of.

I know you (& most Black models) aren't personally attracted to EVERY White guy you work with ,but I have never heard of a Black girl who refuses IR just because of that guys race.
Some of it may be financial ,but most of it is because Black women haven't been raised in a society that professes/instills Black female superiorty(like it does with privileged/entitled White women ).

 

[girk1]

Again you haven't said anything. Is it a revelation that most chicks for example identify with men they culturally identify with??? Not to me....there are chicks here in the states who identify with men more that are from their city than guys for other cities....just from a culture, style of dress etc. No biggie...

And still, we're not talking about who you're trying to be in a relationship with...If you can't see that difference you're blinder than a bat.

I don't see it as people bitching but but it's silly not to expect people to reject or object to the notion of apparent racism no matter where it's found.

I personally don't care who does what....there are enough hot chicks who do I/R.....

MesterPerfect hardly ever says 'anything' of substance. I still stand by my statement that 'Friday on my mind' & 'Hot Mega' are the two most thoughtful/intelligent posters on this site, but I may have to think again if you keep seriously engaging Meesterperfect

Back to the topic:

NO it doesn't bother me that there are some who refuse IR since there are so many gorgeous women who do.:dunno:

IR is only my 3rd favorite fetish behind (1) Phat Booty's/Bubble Butts & (2) Milf's/Cougars so I can survive if someone refuses it.


But when someone like Vanessa Blue comes here & admits there is a 'BLACK RATE'(for starlets who perform with Blacks who they feel are 'beneath' them) in the porn industry it should be no question about RACISM in porn.

 

[Friday on my mind]

MesterPerfect hardly ever says 'anything' of substance. I still stand by my statement that 'Friday on my mind' & 'Hot Mega' are the two most thoughtful/intelligent posters on this site, but I may have to think again if you keep seriously engaging Meesterperfect

Back to the topic:

NO it doesn't bother me that there are some who refuse IR since there are so many gorgeous women who do.:dunno:

IR is only my 3rd favorite fetish behind (1) Phat Booty's/Bubble Butts & (2) Milf's/Cougars so I can survive if someone refuses it.


But when someone like Vanessa Blue comes here & admits there is a 'BLACK RATE'(for starlets who perform with Blacks who they feel are 'beneath' them) in the porn industry it should be no question about RACISM in porn.

Thanks Girk, much appreciated and you also get the truth of things IMO as well.:thumbsup:

I read Vanessa's post and Mr P's response but as you say resisted comment.We go round and round here on such things and it doesn't get us really anywhere.

IMO Hotmega hit it dead on.Vanessa was just being non confrontational when she said she didn't see the refusals as being racism based.She is probably a nice person not wanting to say such about people.But as Mega pointed out most of the reasons she listed for their refusal are clearly coming from a place of racism on someones part be it family, boyfriend,the industry,the girl herself, etc.

Mr P just picked out the part that in his opinion showed black racism as though their is some sort of parity.He see's what he wants to see and ignores the rest.It would be a break through if he would be willing to see and not deny the truth of how racism is ingrained in amerca.As I have often said we have made progress but still have long way to go but progress cannot be made with the people denying the reality of it.

We really can't take such a complex issue as racial bias and boil it down to such a simplistic you are or you aren't answers based on any behavior from people.

Just take Vanessa's example of their being a "Black rate",white girls want more money to perform with her.Now when those girls perform with her does that make them bias free? I think the answer is clearly no.Just having sex with someone doesn't mean you neccesarily see them as your equal in society.Masters had lots of sex with their female slaves as well,but sure didn't see them now as their equals did they.And that kind of history might explain why some in the black community would call blacks having sex with whites in porn sell outs.A regrettable legacy of our history in america of racial oppression and exploitation of blacks that will hopefully be erradicated at some point in the future.

 

[SaraMc]

I like a little black dick once in a wile haha..

 

[jasonk282]

I like a little black dick once in a wile haha..

Oxymoron, no such thing as a little black dick. LOL