Do you really think it matters who you vote for?

[Will E Worm]

Please don't vote. This is a complete waste of your vote and mocks the American democratic process. Perhaps you should instead write in Scooby Doo for President. He has the same chance to get elected as Chuck Baldwin does.

Either vote for one of the legitimate candidates from our two-party system or stay home. All you'll be left with at the end of the day is a meaningless story for a cocktail party someday in the future, "Do you know who I voted for back in the '08 election...."

This is America, he can write in anyone he wants to.
Anyone running and is on the ballet are legitimate candidates to vote for.

The two party system mocks us. The "two" parties are basically the same.
They are puppets, that's why they always lie and people are too dumbed down to look into anything.
So, they continue to vote for the same party even though they were lied to over and over again.

I haven't looked into what Chuck Baldwin stands for. But, he is from the Constitution party, the party
that is supposed to stand for the Constitution the Supreme law of America.

More than the Democrats and Republicans have been doing.

 

[CADDYMAN]

VOTE

the more Mccain signs i see the more i wish i could clone myself

And Chef please come back down to reality

Nothing Bush did ,did anything to the US's reputation in the world and what the rest of the world thinks about us does matter no matter what you think.

There is no reason that we have not killed BinLaden the technology is there to find anyone

 

[Member2019]

Please don't vote. This is a complete waste of your vote and mocks the American democratic process. Perhaps you should instead write in Scooby Doo for President. He has the same chance to get elected as Chuck Baldwin does.

Either vote for one of the legitimate candidates from our two-party system or stay home. All you'll be left with at the end of the day is a meaningless story for a cocktail party someday in the future, "Do you know who I voted for back in the '08 election...."

This is the absolute worst post I've ever seen.

You say he "mocks" the Democratic process?
He is displaying the best about the process!

Even Ross Perot got 22% of the popular vote in 1992, which kept Clinton from taking a majority (only 44%).

If people would vote their conscience, things would change.
Instead, we have people like yourself, that keep it the 2-party system.

Sigh, I won't even dive into our own, American history on the matter.

 

[Facial_King]

Of course it matters. If John Kerry would've won the last election, someone who seemed like a huge pansy, do you think we would've attacked Afghanistan after 9/11? Fuck no...we probably would've sat around and done nothing about it. But, since we elected George Bush, someone who was willing to take a stand and fuck shit up, we invaded and sent a pretty loud message to the world.

So...yes, it matters.

Chef, I trust you were joking with that one, right????

:1orglaugh

 

[Facial_King]

It doesn't matter, your point was still valid.
And if kerry was elected in 2004 the U.S. under the leadership of kerry, pelosi and reid would have abandoned afghanistan long ago and simply let taliban regroup and reclaim the country......the consequences, not good.

No, not really.... Dubya invaded Afghanistan, that's true enough, but it's not like he captured Bin Laden or eliminated the threats from the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or really made the world (or even the U.S.) any bit safer by doing so.

As for your pics and attempt to scare by noting that the Dems will lead in DC, well, you've found at least 2 unflattering pics of some politicians (I'm not a fan of smoking, but I can't deny that Obama looks pretty good in that pic, actually) - this is not a difficult task, and further, it proves nothing.

 

[girk1]

It doesn't matter, your point was still valid.
And if kerry was elected in 2004 the U.S. under the leadership of kerry, pelosi and reid would have abandoned afghanistan long ago and simply let taliban regroup and reclaim the country......the consequences, not good.

Let's see :
A Democratic leader (Woodrow Wilson )declared war on Germany & lead us into WWI
A Dem (FDR) turned the tide by leading us to war WWII
A Dem (Truman) used the atomic bomb on Japan to end WWII
A Dem JFK punked out Russia(krucshev?) in the Cuban missile crisis
Dems (JFK/LBJ)unfortunately escalated the war in Vietnam.

Most every single important military conflict fought in the 20th century were led by democratic Presidents,but the willful ignorance of the GOP & it's blind followers would have some believe that Dems would sit idly by & see this country over run by it's enemies.

It's obvious by the ignorance of such followers why jokes like Dan Quayle,G W Bush & Sara Palin have been so sucessful in the GOP. Dems would prefer to fight smart /necessary wars unlike the complete & utter nonsense that is Iraq. Why not deal in facts & not propaganda & woefully ignorant suppositions? :dunno:The modern GOP for you.

 

[AFA]

That's true, but our government, with the way that it is set up now, will never let a "third" party win. Or fourth party, fifth party, sixth party, etc.

If our government gave every candidate a fair chance at winning and gave every candidate a fair chance at getting their opinion heard on a national level, then the Presidential Debate(s) wouldn't consist of only the Democratic and Republican candidates. They would include every candidate, no matter how "popular" they are.

Back in 1987, the CPD (Commission on Presidential Debates) was created to help structuralize the Presidential Debates. The problem is that the CPD makes it mandatory for any Presidential candidate to have at least 15% of the popular vote in at least 5 different national polls in order for them to appear at a Presidential Debate. I think that's stupid. It should be fair to everyone...not just the candidates who have already been popularized by the US media.

I agree, and it's the huge amount of money spent behind the problem. Bob Barr was asking McCain supporters on CNN to vote for him, simply to make the point that a true three party system is needed. Ralph Nader has been saying the same thing for years.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Chef, I trust you were joking with that one, right????

:1orglaugh

As I've stated, twice before, I screwed up by saying "John Kerry", as Bush ran against Gore in the last election.

But, no...I wasn't joking.

 

[AnonIlluzion]

I actually remember reading a science fiction book where they worked out it only boiled down to one Man that influenced one street that influenced one state that invariably decided the vote. So they just asked that one person and who he wanted to be president.

 

[AFA]

The irony here is that 9/11 was their way of telling us not to fuck with them.

This isn't isn't necessarily directed to you, CCT, but to all who continuously throw out the idea that there are terrorists out there who, no matter what we do, are out to get us, therefore we can't be at all lax in defense (or defense spending).

Research shows this to be wrong. Terrorists are out there out to get us because we keep fucking with them. For decades. This is why I hate the fact that no one will touch defense spending - not only could we solve most if not all of our domestic issues (or, rather, we'd at least have the money to) with just a chunk of our defense budget, but pulling our myriad of bases from places where people view us as occupiers would largely solve our terrorist problem as well.

See:
Leaderless Jihad by Marc Sageman
Dying to Win by Robert Pape

And a quote from Osama Bin Laden himself, found here:

I made this point recently elsewhere regarding Bin Laden stating the US support of Israel was one of his reasons for the attack. That attack is why Bin Laden was a hero to the middle east. At least some of the world is very tired of hardass and covert US foreign policy which wastes resources, assasinates leaders, lies, cheats and steals in effect and exploits other peoples to get what it wants while avoiding humanitarian action or it's own global responsibilities.

Another reason it matters who you vote for, is I remain open minded, but don't like people thinking for me. Bush 1 and 2, the possiblity of Cheney taking charge, McCain racing into fiscal destruction concern me. Palin, Dan Quayle are just joke candidates as far as I can see, and Kerry was the lesser of two evils by far. Not someone I thought had anything to say from his own initiative. Rarely does someone like Obama come along who says what I've been saying for years, on energy, military spending, taxes, and stale relations with say Cuba to name a few and not as some modification to his original campaign, but from the beginning. As a long time observer of world affairs, I know Obama takes what I feel is my own logical approach to US problems and talks about them on TV. Wow. He happens to be "my agent" for change, bringing my ideas into the larger world, not the other way around.

 

[meesterperfect]

No, not really.... Dubya invaded Afghanistan, that's true enough, but it's not like he captured Bin Laden or eliminated the threats from the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or really made the world (or even the U.S.) any bit safer by doing so.

As for your pics and attempt to scare by noting that the Dems will lead in DC, well, you've found at least 2 unflattering pics of some politicians (I'm not a fan of smoking, but I can't deny that Obama looks pretty good in that pic, actually) - this is not a difficult task, and further, it proves nothing.

whether the pics are bad or not, what I said was true, they will be the three most powerful politicians in the country

Let's see :
A Democratic leader (Woodrow Wilson )declared war on Germany & lead us into WWI
A Dem (FDR) turned the tide by leading us to war WWII
A Dem (Truman) used the atomic bomb on Japan to end WWII
A Dem JFK punked out Russia(krucshev?) in the Cuban missile crisis
Dems (JFK/LBJ)unfortunately escalated the war in Vietnam.

Most every single important military conflict fought in the 20th century were led by democratic Presidents,but the willful ignorance of the GOP & it's blind followers would have some believe that Dems would sit idly by & see this country over run by it's enemies.

It's obvious by the ignorance of such followers why jokes like Dan Quayle,G W Bush & Sara Palin have been so sucessful in the GOP. Dems would prefer to fight smart /necessary wars unlike the complete & utter nonsense that is Iraq. Why not deal in facts & not propaganda & woefully ignorant suppositions? :dunno:The modern GOP for you.

That was then this is now. I wasn't talking about Wilson, fdr or truman.
Talking about Obama, Pelosi and Ried who in my opinion are not even close to those past presidents in any significant way.
As far as jokes against republicans being successful,humor is in the eye of the beholder.
I don't find quayle is stupid, bush is an idiot and palin is a whore to be all that funny.
but thats just me, I'm ignorant.

 

[biomech]

Absolutely it matters, as a member and Vice President of a Local union the sitting President directly affects my job.
The sitting President appoints the majority vote to the NLRB( National Labor Relations Board), under W we have had the most anti-worker board in ages.
Just look at the Oakwood decision, with this case they changed the definition of a supervisor; effectiively removing a large percentage of workers from being able to join unions.
It is important who you vote for, we need to get ourselves out of these unfair trade agreements, Free trade is inevitable; so it atleast should be fair trade.
Biomech

 

[Funkwerkz]

It matters.

However, those who can really do the good things for society, keep themselves away from any election.

 

[girk1]

whether the pics are bad or not, what I said was true, they will be the three most powerful politicians in the country



That was then this is now. I wasn't talking about Wilson, fdr or truman.
Talking about Obama, Pelosi and Ried who in my opinion are not even close to those past presidents in any significant way.
As far as jokes against republicans being successful,humor is in the eye of the beholder.
I don't find quayle is stupid, bush is an idiot and palin is a whore to be all that funny.
but thats just me, I'm ignorant.

Pelosi ,Reid ,Kerry, Gore nor Obama have been President so to assume what they would do in an unforseen crisis is ignorant supposition & indicative of the fearmongering the GOP has engaged in . Because of the Southern Strategy & complete GOP dominance in the South employed since 1968 only 12 of the last 40 years had Dem leadership in the White House.
I can only judge them by the record in the White House & lately that has been rare & by listening to many GOP voters I can now see why. The Gop caters to the most base of its supporters fears/emotions instead of reasoned political discourse.Challenging their opponents patriotism(as you have mine ) ,especially on foreign policy issues,seems to have gone over well these past few decades.

Palin is absolutely clueless on National & Foreign Policy issues & anyone who disputes that is:dunno: Heaven help him. It's a sad indictment of politics in this country that so many still attempt to defend her woeful lack of knowledge & I wouldn't be totally shocked if they actually won. But no doubt that Changing demographics in some Southern States(like the growing N.C, Virginia & Georgia) will eventually end this GOP dominance we have been under for four decades .

 

[KingBeat]

its all staged
they make mccain look bad so everybody vote for obama
so even if u was to vote for mccain obama would still get in office
how do u think bush got in office twice ??

as a matter of fact
it is possible for bush to stay in office
IF there is another terrorist attack which could happy at any moment
because we all know bush the real terrorist

 

[AFA]

Pelosi ,Reid ,Kerry, Gore nor Obama have been President so to assume what they would do in an unforseen crisis is ignorant supposition & indicative of the fearmongering the GOP has engaged in . Because of the Southern Strategy & complete GOP dominance in the South employed since 1968 only 12 of the last 40 years had Dem leadership in the White House.
I can only judge them by the record in the White House & lately that has been rare & by listening to many GOP voters I can now see why. The Gop caters to the most base of its supporters fears/emotions instead of reasoned political discourse.Challenging their opponents patriotism(as you have mine ) ,especially on foreign policy issues,seems to have gone over well these past few decades.

Palin is absolutely clueless on National & Foreign Policy issues & anyone who disputes that is:dunno: Heaven help him. It's a sad indictment of politics in this country that so many still attempt to defend her woeful lack of knowledge & I wouldn't be totally shocked if they actually won. But no doubt that Changing demographics in some Southern States(like the growing N.C, Virginia & Georgia) will eventually end this GOP dominance we have been under for four decades .

Palin's lack of knowledge is a barometer of the lack of knowledge of her supporters. They only want to hear the words, country, freedom, victory, america and believe they know enough to know what they want. Aggression toward the black candidate pumps them all up a little more. I don't think either republican is an intellectual match for Obama or Biden. That's why a few months ago all the McCain ads talked about was how smooth Obama was, an elitist? That was nuts, and that they were "straight talkers" applealing to the Joe the Plumber who would continue to pay tax to support the very wealthy by tax breaks to corporations.

 

[girk1]

Palin's lack of knowledge is a barometer of the lack of knowledge of her supporters. They only want to hear the words, country, freedom, victory, america and believe they know enough to know what they want. Aggression toward the black candidate pumps them all up a little more. I don't think either republican is an intellectual match for Obama or Biden. That's why a few months ago all the McCain ads talked about was how smooth Obama was, an elitist? That was nuts, and that they were "straight talkers" applealing to the Joe the Plumber who would continue to pay tax to support the very wealthy by tax breaks to corporations.

Because the Dems normally pick more thoughtful cosmopolitan statesmen like Clinton/Gore/Kerry/Obama they trash them for being elitest:dunno: when many come from the humblest backgrounds like Obama/Clinton.Yes I want thoughful intelligent people leading me & not uninformed Jokes like Palin or simple cowboys like Bush.

The Gop has somehow been successful in painting the Pro union, pro working class/poor Dems elitest who look down on them.
McCain even brought up Obama's 'smoothness' in that last debate on a couple occasions also & seemed to be frustrated by Barack's intellectual prowess.

Someone has even called me out here for my lack of patriotism because I dare question anything our country does or has done in the past.

The GOP has been usurped by the christian right/uninformed to the dismay of many in the GOP intellgentsia like the late Goldwater(who despised the religious right) & William Buckley. Hopefully more conservatives like Peggy Noonan,Chris Buckley,George Will,Colin Powell,(the 2000 McCain who agreed with Obama on tax breaks for the wealhty ,but now calls him a Socialist:dunnoetc... can reel in this GOP nonsense & help elevate political discourse once again. The religious right/uninformed bigots will probably not vote for Obama anyhow so why keep catering to them:dunno: Fundraising/enthusiasm I guess.

 

[calpoon]

its all staged
they make mccain look bad so everybody vote for obama
so even if u was to vote for mccain obama would still get in office
how do u think bush got in office twice ??

It's true. the fed's meat puppet (bush) fucked up so now they want to throw him to the wolves and put in the "change" politician that is going to do nothing. Which works fine for me, that's what we need right now and they know it. once everything cools down, and we can get back to business as usual of being robbed blind by big business, then maybe in 8 years they can bring in another "maverick" to shake things up. Maybe Sarah Palin, McCain will probably be dead by then.

 

[jibbijib]

Isn't it funny how we all vote on puppets?


Politicians don't do anything. Bankers do.

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

 

[METAL HEAD]

based on last time and this time no not really.