Thanks for the recommendation that I educate myself,since I am so ignorant.Evidently I am not the only one on this board that is.I shall look into that book You spoke of,however.By the way,I did take biology at USC and I honestly found that my professors in college (in most of My education)..have a strong anti God agenda.That is what they do.Attempt to train young minds to accept their way of thinking and reject all others.No different from the religious freak show preachers on TV.I distrust arrogant professors that think they know everything and discourage free thinking.If You believe that I am some uneducated hick from Florida or Alabama;You are wrong,Sir.I do not believe every word of the Bible any more than I believe every word from some self proclaimed expert college professor.Don't try to insult My intelligence.Most others have been polite in this discussion,and You were not!--I am no "idiot" as (someone else) called Me.I just did not take My education as "Gospel" from Men with an agenda.--I suggest We all question authority,question the Bible,question the old Men that teach us in college and then,form our own opinions.That is what I have done.I do NOT believe that Jonah was swallowed by a great fish as the Bible states,and I do NOT believe that Elephants,Sharks,and sparrows evolved from the same micro-organism.---Don't forget that professors and teachers are there to "mold young minds" to their way of thinking.Many times they are succesful,but not wih Me.No hard feelings tubuler,but please,no more attempts to be My guidance counselor.The books,I am cool with,but teachers telling Me what to think,I am not.I went through that for four years at USC and I am done.Thank You.
Do you believe in God?
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I do not believe.
More like the other way around, everyone knows God exists
I guess in your mind if you keep repeating that it will somehow make it true.If you haven't noticed many of us do not think he exists at all and see zero proof.There is as much "proof" of god as there is "proof" of the existence of unicorns IMO.You may beleive differently but don't say we all know or beleive what you do.
Dude, don't do that. Both sides of this debate, not necessarily in this thread, are guilty of insisting that the other side doesn't really believe what they say they do. I think it reveals a lot of intellectual cowardice to say that another person could not have honestly arrived at a conclusion that differs from your own. Let's avoid that.
And, to answer the thread's question, no I don't believe in God.
There is a reason that religion is one of the things not to be brought up in polite conversation. Everyone sees and experiences it differently- some not at all, others with undying, unwavering faith. As such, these discussions usually degenerate into hostile, unpleasant arguments.
Friday on my mi- it's not too difficult to imagine believing in (a) god without religion. Religions simply use gods to illustrate their points, impose their will, and do various other tasks for them. Religion- ORGANIZED religion- needs a god to glue their rules and orders together.
Conversely- no god needs any more than faith in him/her/it. You can have faith in something without singing the right songs, putting money on a gold plate, eating a cracker, and on and on.
I'm realistic enough to call myself agnostic. There could be one, but I don't know.
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Friday on my mi- it's not too difficult to imagine believing in (a) god without religion. Religions simply use gods to illustrate their points, impose their will, and do various other tasks for them. Religion- ORGANIZED religion- needs a god to glue their rules and orders together.
Conversely- no god needs any more than faith in him/her/it. You can have faith in something without singing the right songs, putting money on a gold plate, eating a cracker, and on and on.
I'm realistic enough to call myself agnostic. There could be one, but I don't know.
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I fully realize as you say no one is going to be convinced by eithier side really to see things any differently then they do.And will admit there could be a god(as in it is possible) but that IMO is different than probable.There could be unicorns too.
To be an atheist apparently you have to be able to prove God does not exist. In other words, prove a negative. I can think of nothing else that must be proved not to exist before you can say you don't believe it. Kinda like the earth sits upon a big invisible turtle unless you can prove otherwise. I don't believe there is God looking down on us and judging our character. But who knows whats out there. If you think you know God then you don't know God.
BTW, friday again it's only a few Christians sects that believe the earth is 10,000 years old. It not the norm for Christians. But really I don't care what they believe just don't impose it on others by trying to convert them.
BTW, friday again it's only a few Christians sects that believe the earth is 10,000 years old. It not the norm for Christians. But really I don't care what they believe just don't impose it on others by trying to convert them.
I have been having a HARD time with this very subject lately. I THINK I still believe but anymore I am not so sure. My faith has been beaten up so bad over the past several years, it has left me with real questions and real quandaries in my life.
All you ever hear from people proclaiming to be Christians is that God is in control and he has a master plan. THEN when something truly bad happens, I have had friends who claim to be Christians say "When something like this happens, you can't blame God."
OK Which way IS IT?
They say "God doesn't put you through things you can't handle" OK IF he is in control, I am PERSONALLY SURE he WILL put things on you that you can't handle.
I used to be a strong believer, now I am not sure WHAT I believe anymore.
All you ever hear from people proclaiming to be Christians is that God is in control and he has a master plan. THEN when something truly bad happens, I have had friends who claim to be Christians say "When something like this happens, you can't blame God."
OK Which way IS IT?
They say "God doesn't put you through things you can't handle" OK IF he is in control, I am PERSONALLY SURE he WILL put things on you that you can't handle.
I used to be a strong believer, now I am not sure WHAT I believe anymore.
You cannot be both sane and well educated and disbelieve in evolution. The evidence is so strong that any sane, educated person has got to believe in evolution.
Just because you believe your professors had an "agenda" is not enough reason to deny facts.
Do you honestly think the religious people who indoctrinated you as a child didn't have an "agenda"? Of course they did.
And as far as you accusing me of being rude to you, I will leave you with this... "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." - H. L. Mencken
This has absolutely nothing to do with what "I" believe or what "someone" else believes. God tells us in HIS book that every human being by nature knows that God exists because we were all created in the image of God.
The book of Pslams 14:1 tells us
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."
Also in Romans 1:19-20
"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
This has nothing to do with any beliefs or religion.
But it has plenty to do with religion that you take the Bible as the "word of God".
The Bible is NOT a religious book, there are many man made religions out there that use the Bible, such as the Roman Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc.. but just because the Bible is affiliated with these religions doesn't make it religious. The Bible is God's lawbook to the human race, laws in which every human, (whether we would like to believe it or not) is under.
Everybody has God's laws written on their hearts to some degree, every human intuitively knows there is a God. We can call him Christ or Buddha, or Krishna, or whatever, we know there is a higher being with whom they have to answer to. It's so because mankind was made in the image and likeness of God and therefore there is a dynamic relationship that exists between man and God that will not go away. Even though we are spiritually dead, we still know that we are in trouble with God so we identify ourselves with some religion. It can be a religion that has something to do with the Bible or a religion that has nothing to do with the Bible. The problem is No religion has any solution as to how we're going to get back to God, even those who use the Bible have a wrong solution, they think we can do this or do that and then we can get right with God, they apply their own ideas as to how we can get right with God.
We are either condemned by this book or saved by it. Religion is nothing more than an attempt by mankind to reconcile with God. And finally there is No true or dominant religion. We just have to pray that God finally opens our spiritual eyes and ears to the truth.
What are you taking about? The Bible is a man made book from the get go. You have to be kidding me.
II Timothy 3:16
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" Even though it is true that God did use holy men of old to scribe his words into the Bible, God is still the author of the Bible. We would know this if we actually read and studied and compared scripture with scripture.
So, if you believe something that's written in the Bible itself, then the Bible is the word of God. But if you don't necessarily believe in the Bible's self-promoting, then the Bible is just a man-made book.
No, I don't believe in God, Yaweh, Budda, Jesus, Zeus, Osiris, Shiva, etc. I believe in Crystal Light......'cause I believe in me!
I just saw too many people died in my life, no one came back.
Tell me where is GOD and heaven !
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