L3ggy
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Daisy Ridley was awesome, so was the one whom controlled BB-8.
Discussion for those of us that have seen The Force Awakens already.
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It was basically a re-do of the first film, but that's ok because it was really well done. And it was needed to remove the stink of the crappy prequels. I thought it was a home run. I have some minor quibbles with parts of it (how does Rey go from not even knowing the Force to being able to use it so well?), but overall, it was pretty awesome. It had the feel of the first 3 films, and unlike the prequels, had no crap/bad acting/bad story/bad characters. It was everything that the prequels weren't.
At some point someone will explain Rey picking up the Jedi tricks. They'll probably say she skimmed Kylo Ren's mind in the interrogation chamber, or since she seems to be a bit of a rebellion groupie, she read or heard about them somewhere.
LeyaFalcon
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My thoughts exactly! Fuck the prequels! !!
Explain? Fuck that. You try to hard to explain something like The Force, you end up with garbage like "midi-chlorians." The Force is a magical combination of luck, fate, power, clairvoyance, all that good shit. It guides and uses you just as much as you use it. How did Rey know how to do a Jedi mind trick? The same reason she just knew to go down into the depths and find Luke's lightsabre. She just knew. Because The Force. Trying to explain away or understand too deeply just sucks the fun out of the mystique of it all and is one of the (myriad) reasons the prequels went awry. Well, that and the fact it tried to marry science with a "prophecy."
You know how the answer to everything in fantasy is "a wizard did it"? In Star Wars, it's The Force. Sith and Jedi butting heads on Naboo where the "chosen one," Anakin just happens to live? The Force. R2 and C3PO just happening to crash on Tattooine where Anakin's progeny and former mentor just happen to live? The Force. Poe/Finn happening to crash on Jakku where BB8 was, Rey/Finn just happening to bump into Han Solo, Solo just happening to take Rey right to where Uncle Luke's lightsabre was stowed? The Force.
I guess I would've liked to have seen her be trained. I mean, it took Luke like, two movies to be able to use the force with much effectiveness and he had Kenobi and Yoda showing him shit. Rey just up and battles a Sith lord? I agree that midichlorians and crap like that are stupid, but maybe we'll get a backstory where she knew the force to begin with or something.
In The Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon explained how Anakin's pod-racing skills, despite his very young age : unconsciously he was using the Force, he sees thing before they happen.
When the Force is strong enough with one, he doesn't need to be trained in the Force to be able to use it. Anakin trained himself in a very specifivc aspect of that and that's what makes him a great pod-driver.
And that's what happens to Rey when Ren is interrogating her. She decided not to talk, not to give him what he want from her. She decided to resist, by all means possible to her. She's focused on herself, on not allowing him to read her., she's dwelling in everything she has, gathering all what she can use against him. and that's how she, unconsciously, used the Force.
I highly doubt she can now use the Force whenever she wants. That would require a proprer jedi training only a real jedi master can provide.
Best cliff hanger ever!!!
You do realise that C and X are next to each other on a keyboard right? Its a typo not a spelling mistake. All it means is the force isn't strong enough in me to have picked it up at the time
LeyaFalcon
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! stop the prequels references! those films dont exist, they just dont!! (I am traumatized)
(1) Ren is not a Sith Lord, not yet. Snoke made reference to his training being incomplete. His jagged lightsabre blade is evidence that his skills aren't complete and that he's a diamond in the rough. He can use The Force to an extend and is clearly influenced by the dark side, but it doesn't make him a Sith Lord, just as Luke could use the force to make his lightsabre fly into his hand at the start of Empire, but he wasn't a Jedi Knight yet. Rey and Ren are both the incomplete articles, arguably at the same points in growing into the powerful warriors they will become, but on opposite sides of the spectrum. Mirrors for each other, if you like (cough) because they're twins (cough).
(2) In terms of matching Ren in a fight, we know she's handy in a fight from the way she was wielding her Donatello stick earlier in the film. I don't mind assuming those skills translate. Even Finn was able to use a lightsabre to a degree as though it were just a sword. But mastery therein.... that's different. Rey will be shit hot when (Uncle) Luke trains her. She'll need to be when
I thought the movie so-so. It was what the original Star Wars movie would've been like if it was made in this century with better special effects, more diversity, and a strong female characters. With this new movie, I assume J.J. Abrams was trying to get more younger people (kids born this century don't really watch stuff from the 70s, 80s, or 90s) into the franchise like he did with Star Trek. I wished the movie lived up to its hype. I hope the next movie will be better.
What did you like the most about it, Leya?
What did you like the most about it, Leya?
Finally watched it this morning. Now I don't have to avoid this thread like the Plagueis.:yoda:
LeyaFalcon
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I actually liked the fact that it was so similar to the original prequels!!
I liked the movie but I couldn't help running my own theories about who certain people were while watching it. It didn't help having Expanded Universe knowledge in my head. I kept thinking JJ Abrams or Disney/Lucasfilms used certain story points and incorporated them into this film and subsequent films going forward. I think Snoke is Darth Plagueis. I think Kylo Ren (or as I like to call him Darth Caedus-Revan) and Rey are the movie versions of Jacen and Jaina Solo. It also looks like I'm not the only one to have these theories.
You mean the original trilogy (Episodes IV, V, VI), right Leya? I also noticed Expanded Universe(EU)/Legends elements within the movies which it made more predictable to me. It seems JJ Abrams & Disney were playing it safe with the movie by using EU materials along Episode IV story structure so that they could please new fans and try not to get totally bash my hardcore Star Wars fans. This shows how Hollywood is truly running out of ideas. I also heard this theory about Snoke being Plagueis. There's another theory I heard about Snoke actually being a Force ghost like Obi-Wan was in Episode V & VI and instead of a hologram of him that Ren & Hux were communicating with. Though it seems unlikely since Hux isn't a Force sensitive from what we seen of him so far. Still it's an interesting theory.