Denied chemotherapy drug, offered death...
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Will E Worm
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Will E you are lost again. You believe nothing but the voices you hear. But nobody else hears them.
Let the fireworks began.
Believe what you want to, but you are the one who is blind.
When the government is given too much power they become despotic.
They will try to run every aspect of your life.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
This article is poorly written and this lady is a stupid moron. Dr. Saha is absolutely right - nowhere does it say anything about assisted suicide. "Physician aid in dying" is a terribly misinterpreted phrase that this lady chose to get all worked up over. She is an idiot and everyone who thinks that she is right is also an idiot.
When somebody receives "physician aid in dying", they are basically getting painkillers and sedatives which are given in order to help make the process of dying easier to physically deal with. It has nothing to do with HELPING you die - it just makes it more comfortable.
3 key points.
1.) Healthcare reform is about stopping the current system from bankrupting everyone including the country AND attempting to cover the uncovered.
2.) Reform would likely bring the costs down on all medications...maybe not necessarily one off, experimental types like Tarceva as they are in equivalent pricing terms what you'd pay for anything exotic, new and in limited production. But prices would come down for everyday, proven medications that deliver tangible, long term results in the day-to-day lives of people.
3.) Wouldn't a private insurance company have denied coverage for this treatment as well?? Something that isn't cost effective for the g'ment CERTAINLY wouldn't be deemed cost effective by a private company. This drug's primary customer at this point is the person who can afford it out of his or her own pocket. No someone under an insurance plan of any type.
Sadly this is just another story where the shrillness and hyperbole will be used to spin the practical reality the story actually reflects. As if everyday private insurance companies don't do the EXACT same things and people are left to die from cancer. I mean, you do know at some point people diagnosed with terminal cancer are not treated any longer and they eventually die right??
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Apparently there are people who don't realize that this is already the norm. If you have private insurance, and you want care or a drug that's not covered, either YOU pay or you don't get that drug or treatment.
I received treatment for my back several years ago and the drug used wasn't covered by my employer sponsored plan (it was considered "experimental"). Guess who paid for that? Me! The doctor recommended it and I believed him, so my pockets got lightened by over $1K - my insurance didn't cover the first dollar of the charges. On another occasion, my back went out after a plane trip (yep, that experimental treatment didn't work) and I had to be taken to a hospital in the city where I landed. The problem was, even though they took me to the nearest hospital, it wasn't one that my plan had as a preferred treatment center. So they only covered 60% of the cost instead of the regular coverage (should have been close to 100% in this case). That one cost me almost $2 grand. And it's kinda hard to negotiate or give directions when you're about to pass out from the pain.
Do people need to get their heads out of the sand? IMO, yes, apparently do. While the (various) proposals in Congress may not be the answer, anyone who thinks that the current system has none of the issues that the reforms are claimed to have... that person needs to learn more about the reality of the here & now.
I received treatment for my back several years ago and the drug used wasn't covered by my employer sponsored plan (it was considered "experimental"). Guess who paid for that? Me! The doctor recommended it and I believed him, so my pockets got lightened by over $1K - my insurance didn't cover the first dollar of the charges. On another occasion, my back went out after a plane trip (yep, that experimental treatment didn't work) and I had to be taken to a hospital in the city where I landed. The problem was, even though they took me to the nearest hospital, it wasn't one that my plan had as a preferred treatment center. So they only covered 60% of the cost instead of the regular coverage (should have been close to 100% in this case). That one cost me almost $2 grand. And it's kinda hard to negotiate or give directions when you're about to pass out from the pain.
Do people need to get their heads out of the sand? IMO, yes, apparently do. While the (various) proposals in Congress may not be the answer, anyone who thinks that the current system has none of the issues that the reforms are claimed to have... that person needs to learn more about the reality of the here & now.
the same Oregon health plan paid all of her cancer treatment expenses when she was initially stricken back in 2005.
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In this case the drug company donated the expensive meds to her but she still passed away in a predictably short time.
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In this case the drug company donated the expensive meds to her but she still passed away in a predictably short time.
Just so you know how wonderful private health care plans are there is a woman I work with who has a terrible case of psoriasis. I mean it's bad. Blisters all over her arms. I can see some on the back of her neck and she says it's all over her back, too. She says some days it just burns and the itching is overwhelming.
The private insurance company says it won't pay for her medication because it's "cosmetic".
Now I'm not a proponent of government funded health care (costs too much) but you really gotta stop parroting this deluded right wing paranoia about "death squads". All that is is just rhetoric designed to scare the morons who listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc and foster an "us vs. them" mentality. All of this because their candidates didn't get elected.
Facetious
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I thought that private costs too much (?)
I reject the notion that it's always creepy conspiracy freaks who oppose the progressive new order of the day.
A poster recently typed "nothing surprises me anymore" and quite frankly, I agree w/ him.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
I'm not for socialized health care. (Socialism)
The same things liberals said when Bush was elected.
Their candidate wasn't elected.
They both work together because all they care about is re-election.
I didn't vote for either.
I thought that private costs too much (?)
I reject the notion that it's always creepy conspiracy freaks who oppose the progressive new order of the day.
A poster recently typed "nothing surprises me anymore" and quite frankly, I agree w/ him.
Let me put it another way. Our federal government is essentially bankrupt right now. How is adding another entitlement going to make the situation any better?
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It makes it better because it is something that people actually want AND need in their day-to-day lives.
Private healthcare is too expensive and made moreso when people show up to a hospital and see marble floors, granite countertops, flatscreens, etc. All of this "high end spa" asthetics costs $$$ which the patient pays for.
Healthcare reform can be afforded by a combination of: halting all middle east warmongering, overturning Bush tax cuts, cutting the defense department budget in half, closing corporate tax loopholes, ending all corporate subsidies...
It makes it better because it is something that people actually want AND need in their day-to-day lives.
Private healthcare is too expensive and made moreso when people show up to a hospital and see marble floors, granite countertops, flatscreens, etc. All of this "high end spa" asthetics costs $$$ which the patient pays for.
Healthcare reform can be afforded by a combination of: halting all middle east warmongering, overturning Bush tax cuts, cutting the defense department budget in half, closing corporate tax loopholes, ending all corporate subsidies...
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
And, you call "us" stupid. :nono: :tongue:
It doesn't matter what they say they said.
She shouldn't have been denied and doctors don't have the right to "help someone die."
They are in place to make people better.
Not to call you "stupid" but you're making a damned good case for whomever is with this post...:o
I don't know what you're implying by saying she shouldn't have been denied but she wouldn't have been covered for this treatment by virtually any other insurance provider I know of. Maybe if she had something similar to Lloyds of London for health care or something but people with that kind of money don't need health insurance per se and she would have been paying for it out of her own pocket anyway.
What planet do you live on? What do you think doctors do in terminal cases where there is nothing else they can do to treat an illness? Often times is the case they spare the individual the agony of their last days being in unbearable pain by sedating them. That is in practical terms...helping them to die.
In case you haven't realized, human beings don't last forever and there are times when certain conditions make the shelf life for us even shorter. I learned as I should have at a relatively early age that doctors can't "make people better" in all cases. As tragic as that may seem, it's the truth.
When they can no longer "make people better", what else is there left for them to do but help make their last days as free from suffering as possible?
The only thing that makes this case different from every other similar case is that it's a public health care provider denying a treatment that most other private providers would have denied as well.
With posts like this how can you reasonably defend yourself against the accusation of being "stupid"??
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