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Communism

We are not born equal, we are all different. We are not here to be all the same because we were not all created the same.

You may be right, but if the majority decide that we are equal then you just have to adapt to the situation.

Let me ask you, Who knows better about what's best for you? You yourself or Barack Obama?

Show me a scenario were one poor soul born into this world (at least in the US) has more or less opportunity than another.
maybe then we can answer youre query more accurately.

I'm not an American.

Are all Americans in the same position?

The same opportunities to education and healt care.
 
I fixed it for you. I don't get how people don't chalk up Nazi killings to democracy but do chalk up the Soviet killings to communism. A despotic regime is just as bad regardless of who owns the railroads.

Dictatorships = 75.000.000 death
Dictatorships = 100.000.000 death

Those numbers are pale in comparison if you want to include America's genocide of Native Americans and The African Slave Trade.
 

meesterperfect

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Colin Powell was born in the ghetto and he turned out to be a very intelligent man in America.
Another good one. But successful is a better term than intelligent . A lot of very intelligent people wind up nowhere through bad decisions.
And it doesn't exactly have to be a non white, it could be anybody born poor, or simply just not with a silver spoon.
I guess my point was that I see a lotta victim mentality promotion and disdain encouragement coming from the schools, media, politicians too.
And not enough positive encouragement. Instead of wasting energy concentrating on who's fault it supposedly is there should be more emphasis put on cramming into their heads that they can achieve a lot, especially when theyre 18.

MLK wanted what? Equal opportunity, right!
It's here, it's been here. Show it to them, encourage them, everybody.
I think I'll stop preaching now.
 
i still say communism is a excellent theory, but it was abused in practise and people don't have the highest level to understand and respect others if there's not someone over them.
communism is just a state with less government (by the theory).
you guys are confusing true communism with the dictatorships in europe.
capitalism is worse than communism, you can see it from the crisis we have nowadays, it's an artificial crisis, they fire workers, why? because the owner got rid from his lambo and wants a ferrari, they claim to have loss, but when they are checked they have good earnings. is this better for you? capitalism is about property, and it makes property more important than the humans life, while communism balanced that, so people wont kill each other for property.
don't know if i am enough understandable, but what you're saying for communism is totally wrong, can tell that from what's going on with my country.
 
it's not an excellent theory; it's flawed at it's core because it discounts human nature and common sense. what incentive is there to work hard when it doesn't benefit you anymore than the person who is working less?
 
i still say communism is a excellent theory, but it was abused in practise and people don't have the highest level to understand and respect others if there's not someone over them.
communism is just a state with less government (by the theory).
you guys are confusing true communism with the dictatorships in europe.
capitalism is worse than communism, you can see it from the crisis we have nowadays, it's an artificial crisis, they fire workers, why? because the owner got rid from his lambo and wants a ferrari, they claim to have loss, but when they are checked they have good earnings. is this better for you? capitalism is about property, and it makes property more important than the humans life, while communism balanced that, so people wont kill each other for property.
don't know if i am enough understandable, but what you're saying for communism is totally wrong, can tell that from what's going on with my country.
If you like commnism so much, why don't you move to Cuba or North Korea ?
 
If you like commnism so much, why don't you move to Cuba or North Korea ?

cuba sounds good to me.
ever wondered why castro made out so long?
read better what said, i like the theory, not the way it was practised, and when judge something, make sure to know it before u do that.
 
If you like commnism so much, why don't you move to Cuba or North Korea ?

That's another thing. Throughout human history walls and fences have been erected to keep people out. Communism has erected walls, fences and shot people in the back to stop them from LEAVING.
 
sounds to me you are all victims of propaghanda.
how many of you readed the books from karl marx?
 
The first attempt to establish a communist society failed.

But nowdays people are much more civilized and humane so the second attemp can be success.

The first step is that people refuse vote anymore. and then the power goes to the people.

The revolution could be so simple at the theoretical level. :hammer:
 
That's another thing. Throughout human history walls and fences have been erected to keep people out. Communism has erected walls, fences and shot people in the back to stop them from LEAVING.

To be fair, capitalist nations have done the same thing; if a nation is tyrannical and communist it doesn't mean all its tyrannical acts happen because of communism. Has Cyprus ever shot emigrants? How often did James Connolly advocate labour camps? And on the other hand--how often have the Saudis or the Israelis shat over human rights; and when they do, is it because of capitalism? When America was lynching blacks, conducting mass uninformed medical experiments like Tuskegee or drugging its own citizens as part of MKULTRA, was that because of capitalism? I can't take the political opinion of anyone who cannot differentiate theory and action seriously.
 
To be fair, capitalist nations have done the same thing; if a nation is tyrannical and communist it doesn't mean all its tyrannical acts happen because of communism.

But it can't be a coincidence that the greatest episodes of democide (murder by government) in the 20th century have all occured under communist governments. Between the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia et al. an estimated 110 million people were murdered by the state which absolutely dwarfs anything Hitler did in sheer scale if not ruthlessness and can't even be compared to the atrocities commited by the U.S. government, as it were. Mass murder and tyranny seem to go hand in hand with communism as it's been practiced.


"The point was not that Stalin is evil, but that Communism is more evil, and that, acting through his person, it found its supremely logical manifestations. The important point was not the character of Stalin, but the character of Communism, which, with an intuitive grasp that was at once the source of his strength and his mandate to power, Stalin was carrying to its inevitable development as the greatest of fascist forms."

- Whittaker Chambers, former member Communist Party USA, Communist Underground and Soviet GRU.
 
But it can't be a coincidence that the greatest episodes of democide (murder by government) in the 20th century have all occured under communist governments. Between the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia et al. an estimated 110 million people were murdered by the state which absolutely dwarfs anything Hitler did in sheer scale if not ruthlessness and can't even be compared to the atrocities commited by the U.S. government, as it were. Mass murder and tyranny seem to go hand in hand with communism as it's been practiced.


"The point was not that Stalin is evil, but that Communism is more evil, and that, acting through his person, it found its supremely logical manifestations. The important point was not the character of Stalin, but the character of Communism, which, with an intuitive grasp that was at once the source of his strength and his mandate to power, Stalin was carrying to its inevitable development as the greatest of fascist forms."

- Whittaker Chambers, former member Communist Party USA, Communist Underground and Soviet GRU.

Communism as it has been practised has, in most case, been by imposition than choice--there have been places where socialist and communist parties have been peacefully elected but most times a minority movement has seized power by revolution. In that case, it's hard not to see that a minority imposing a view upon society would grow to use increasingly despotic methods to control their population. That's how it happens in places like Syria, Pinochet's Chile, apartheid South Africa or white-ruled Rhodesia, etc etc etc, where brutal totalitarianism is the tool used to retain power. You'll see it with a lot of communist states because the movement to shift to a whole new economic model has initially required the exertion of a lot of power, and all power corrupts--create any one-party system with no checks and balances with a secret police and a huge army to back it up and it'll end up with gross human rights violations. The actual ideology behind communism neither requires nor condones the things done in its name, but we continue to blame a belief for the actions of its believers (think of it this way: every Christian nation has committed atrocities, is the bible responsible?).
 
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