Civilian weapons

[assari]

North of there in NY there are cougar and south in the Poconos a buddy of mine spotted bobcat. Some coyotes have turned up in some populated areas of NJ too.

Maybe those poor creatures searching for food?

 

[bobjustbob]

Maybe those poor creatures searching for food?

No, they are searching for tires for their cars. Of course they're looking for food you numb-skull. These are wild ******* and they are getting into populated areas. Are you suggesting that we feed them?

 

[Rey C.]

NW NJ has a serious bear problem. They have a 6 day season and take down nearly 500 of them. North of there in NY there are cougar and south in the Poconos a buddy of mine spotted bobcat. Some coyotes have turned up in some populated areas of NJ too.

I think it was in NY state where a black bear tackled a woman on a bicycle a couple of years ago. Well, it tackled her after she ran into him. I guess that pissed him off. Apparently she got away after she took her car keys and gouged him in the eye.

Something I didn't know about bears: apparently you actually can "play dead" with brown bears and grizzlies. Usually they'll see that as a sign of ********** and they'll often let you be (they're not dumb enough to think you actually kicked the bucket just as they walked up). But if you do that with a black bear, he'll just treat you like I'd treat a steak laying still on my plate. That's what a game warden told me this summer, but he was a complete dumbass, so I don't know how true that is. I'm not testing any bear theories though. I take the Super Blackhawk with me when I go deep into the woods with the dog now. Bears **** noise, so just a warning shot should scare him off... I hope. :eek:

If a cougar jumps us, I'm sure the sight of a giant house cat really will cause my heart to stop... before I can even start to draw the .44. But hopefully the dog will retreat and then tell everybody that I died bravely (******* my pants and screaming like a little girl).

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I think it was in NY state where a black bear tackled a woman on a bicycle a couple of years ago. Well, it tackled her after she ran into him. I guess that pissed him off. Apparently she got away after she took her car keys and gouged him in the eye.

Something I didn't know about bears: apparently you actually can "play dead" with brown bears and grizzlies. Usually they'll see that as a sign of ********** and they'll often let you be (they're not dumb enough to think you actually kicked the bucket just as they walked up). But if you do that with a black bear, he'll just treat you like I'd treat a steak laying still on my plate. That's what a game warden told me this summer, but he was a complete dumbass, so I don't know how true that is. I'm not testing any bear theories though. I take the Super Blackhawk with me when I go deep into the woods with the dog now. Bears **** noise, so just a warning shot should scare him off... I hope. :eek:

If a cougar jumps us, I'm sure the sight of a giant house cat really will cause my heart to stop... before I can even start to draw the .44. But hopefully the dog will retreat and then tell everybody that I died bravely (******* my pants and screaming like a little girl).

I've heard of 30-06 rounds bouncing off of a grizzlies skull....you might need to trade up to a bigger hand canon, if you see them regularly in your area. While I disagree with Georges on it's use for self-defense, a .500 S&W mag. would be my choice for grizzly country. One day, if I can come up with some extra cash, I wouldn't mind getting the shorter barreled, version.

 

[georges]

I've heard of 30-06 rounds bouncing off of a grizzlies skull....you might need to trade up to a bigger hand canon, if you see them regularly in your area. While I disagree with Georges on it's use for self-defense, a .500 S&W mag. would be my choice for grizzly country. One day, if I can come up with some extra cash, I wouldn't mind getting the shorter barreled, version.

The 500 s&w magnum can pierce bullet proof vest with layers II & III kevlar protection. It might not be a caliber for fast shooting but the 500s&w ******** with 6 1/2 barrel and muzzle brake http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...57771_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y would be my choice if I lived in a scummy hood. Corbon and Winchester make enough power bullets to make the 500 s&w a goo scum hunting weapon. Otherwise model 29 in 44 mag with the 6 1/2 barrel http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...57903_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y loaded with 44 special federal, corbon or winchester ammo is enough efficient for fast shooting or putting down a criminal down

 

[Mr. Daystar]

The 500 s&w magnum can pierce bullet proof vest with layers II & III kevlar protection. It might not be a caliber for fast shooting but the 500s&w ******** with 6 1/2 barrel and muzzle brake http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...57771_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y would be my choice if I lived in a scummy hood. Corbon and Winchester make enough power bullets to make the 500 s&w a goo scum hunting weapon. Otherwise model 29 in 44 mag with the 6 1/2 barrel http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...57903_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y loaded with 44 special federal, corbon or winchester ammo is enough efficient for fast shooting or putting down a criminal down

I'm happy with my Sig 229, in .40 S&W. But you carry what you're comfy with buddy.

 

[vodkazvictim]

-I believe that dog is an effective defence because it is not afraid of anything.

-The Brits are hardy people.

If health care does not improve then you need to burn Birmingham.

1: Dogs can be befriended in order for them to allow you to take their owners stuff.
Dogs can be put to ***** with gas or fed poisoned meat.
Dogs can be shot, although the noise of doing so risks waking your victim.

2: The Brits are indeed hardy.

3: How will burning Brum help? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Not really, he's never seen it here...sometimes the picture needs to be painted harshly, so the true image can be seen. I realize no matter what you do, there will always be someone unhappy, someone that can still break the law, someone that will. Many of the shootings that have occurred, almost all in fact, could have been prevented, but instead of looking for a cause, an inanimate object is being persecuted. He does not live under such conditions, I felt he needed to have it told to him, straight from the hip. He has asked a LOT of questions....seems to me, he's very curious about the culture, and state of affairs over here....if I can help him out, or give him my perspective, he can put it with others, and form an opinion.



Did you touch your penis on the count of 3?

Forgive me, I think you misunderstood; I meant that it is a bit harsh on all Finns to compare them to Assari. Every nation has it's idiots.
Assari is the only Finnish guy I know of on FO and undoubtedly an idiot.

I... Touched sombody elses' penis.

We... need to talk.
There's somebody else, but...
Now's not a good time for me.
I just need some space.
I need to concentrate on studies.
It's my time of the month.
A break will make us appreciate each other more.
I need to focus on work.
I have some major stuff going on at the mo.
I blew 3 black guys and changed my name to Zdenka.

I meant that wolves and bears are always dangerous despite their nationality.

"When you encounter a wolf it is better that you have a MG-42 with you"


(assari)


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MG42??!!
I wouldn't know what to choose, but given that Wolves hunt in packs I'd probably plump for the AKM.
Alternatives to be the RPK, Remington 870 or Dragunov SVD.
But as I said; I wouldn't know what to choose.

No, they are searching for tires for their cars. Of course they're looking for food you numb-skull. These are wild ******* and they are getting into populated areas. Are you suggesting that we feed them?

With respect, the amount of readily available food we leave in our rubbish will always attract wild *******. I've seen foxes in Athens, Cambridge, Leeds and Leicester.
But somehow never Moscow :dunno:

I've heard of 30-06 rounds bouncing off of a grizzlies skull....you might need to trade up to a bigger hand canon, if you see them regularly in your area. While I disagree with Georges on it's use for self-defense, a .500 S&W mag. would be my choice for grizzly country. One day, if I can come up with some extra cash, I wouldn't mind getting the shorter barreled, version.

I was under the impression that the 30-06 was a rifle round?
As for Georges, I worry about his obsession with maximum firepower and can't help but wonder exactly when the last time he enjoyed the warmth of a woman's body was.
I can't help but think that the two are not unrelated.
:georges:

 

[Mr. Daystar]

No hard feelings...it was a meaningless, casual fling anyway.

Yes, a 30-06 is a rifle round. It's entirely possible as you hunt for a game ******....Dall sheep, Mountain goat...you are sharing grizzly territory. If they smell *****, and are hungry, or you cross paths with a sow, and her cubs, you have a problem. You wouldn't be hunting those ******* with a large handgun, so you would use your rifle for defense. A 30-06 isn't a big, heavy bullet, typically, as compared to some larger caliber rifles....although it is one of the most versatile rifle rounds available to hunters...and certainly lighter then a .500 S&W mag. slug, and not nearly as likely to be a hollow point.

 

[georges]

I was under the impression that the 30-06 was a rifle round? As for Georges, I worry about his obsession with maximum firepower and can't help but wonder exactly when the last time he enjoyed the warmth of a woman's body was. I can't help but think that the two are not unrelated. :georges:

Don't you never ever worry about my private life. And please enjoy yours. I prefer maxium firepower whether in case of self defense or hunt. I started to shoot with guns at the age of 12 when I was visiting my ****** in the US, I first shot with a bren ten in 10mm auto back in 1990 and the first big game rifle I shot with was 1964 winchester model 70 pre 64 in caliber 458 winchester magnum when I was 16. I prefer the first shot, first **** approach when hunting or when having to defend my home from invaders or robbers especially if I lived in a scummy town. If I lived in the US, I would also opt for a chey tac intervention rifle in cal 408 and a barret xm 107 in cal 50bmg as last resort/extreme cases anti scum weapons. Scum is scum, the bigger the bullet is, the bigger are chances that dead the scum is.

 

[vodkazvictim]

No hard feelings...it was a meaningless, casual fling anyway.

Yes, a 30-06 is a rifle round. It's entirely possible as you hunt for a game ******....Dall sheep, Mountain goat...you are sharing grizzly territory. If they smell *****, and are hungry, or you cross paths with a sow, and her cubs, you have a problem. You wouldn't be hunting those ******* with a large handgun, so you would use your rifle for defense. A 30-06 isn't a big, heavy bullet, typically, as compared to some larger caliber rifles....although it is one of the most versatile rifle rounds available to hunters...and certainly lighter then a .500 S&W mag. slug, and not nearly as likely to be a hollow point.

But it was fun

Sorry, for a minute I thought you were talking about firing 30.06 from a handgun, which I have heard advocated with 5.56, but seems kinda dangerous on the wrists for a real round.

Don't you never ever worry about my private life. And please enjoy yours. I prefer maxium firepower whether in case of self defense or hunt. I started to shoot with guns at the age of 12 when I was visiting my ****** in the US, I first shot with a bren ten in 10mm auto back in 1990 and the first big game rifle I shot with was 1964 winchester model 70 pre 64 in caliber 458 winchester magnum when I was 16. I prefer the first shot, first **** approach when hunting or when having to defend my home from invaders or robbers especially if I lived in a scummy town. If I lived in the US, I would also opt for a chey tac intervention rifle in cal 408 and a barret xm 107 in cal 50bmg as last resort/extreme cases anti scum weapons. Scum is scum, the bigger the bullet is, the bigger are chances that dead the scum is.

Wel finally we agree on something; it is better to **** your prey with a single shot. preferably instantly.
As for your personal life, I'm gonna assume that I was correct :thefinger:

Are you sure you don't want a 20MM anti-material rifle for defending the corridors of your home?
(OK, I admit it; now I'm just having fun with you).

 

[Rey C.]

I've heard of 30-06 rounds bouncing off of a grizzlies skull....you might need to trade up to a bigger hand canon, if you see them regularly in your area. While I disagree with Georges on it's use for self-defense, a .500 S&W mag. would be my choice for grizzly country. One day, if I can come up with some extra cash, I wouldn't mind getting the shorter barreled, version.

I've never seen a grizzly in person (even in the ***)... never hunted out west. I planned on taking a trip to hunt elk several years ago and even bought a rifle for that purpose. But there was a tragedy involving the person I was going with and we never made it (wanna buy a Weatherby Mark V in .338-.378?). I can imagine a grizzly would be a tough customer though.

The only thing I can compare that to is when I went wild boar hunting for the first time, they showed us a video before the hunt, so we'd better understand what we might be facing. In one scene, a guy shot an old, big boar (probably 300+ pounds) with a 12 ga. magnum with "00" buckshot. Have you ever seen someone beat a rug? You know how the dust flies out when they whack it with a broom or whatever? Well, when the guy shot that hog broadside, they ran the video in slow motion and that's all you saw: dust flying off him. The hog didn't even slow down. Old boars develop a heavy shield of cartilage and scar tissue that protects their vitals and it's just like a bullet proof vest. I don't guess bears have that. But I'd say anything that's big and heavily muscled would be tough to take down.

As for calibers, I had an Encore in .308 (a ******, with no muzzle brake or porting, firing a rifle round!) with me and also a .45 Win Mag (semi-auto). I had some hot loads in the Encore and it nearly broke my wrist when I was setting the scope. I haven't shot it since. I've shot some ultra-big bore revolvers that friends of mine have owned. I don't find them to be very enjoyable or pleasant to shoot. Especially if they aren't ported, the recoil is usually downright evil. I've not met that many people who were all that accurate with them. I'm a big believer in worrying more about hitting the target than how big the round is. You can fire a cannon at something, but if you can't hit the target, I think you'd be better off with a smaller caliber that you can control. I don't shoot it that much anymore, but I used to be deadly with that .45 Win Mag. Because it's a semi-auto, the recoil isn't that bad and once you get used to the weight of it, it's very controllable. Took my first hog, crawling on my belly in the leaves, at about 40 yards with open sights (the more years pass, the longer that shot will become... it was probably closer to 35 yards, but next year, I'll claim it was a 50 yard shot). I wouldn't be afraid to face a grizzly with that thing (with the right ammo). I'd zap him with 6 rounds and if he kept coming, I'd take the General Custer way out (use #7 on myself).

For home protection, I'm 100% with you on the .40 S&W. I like the Glock 22 but I'd love to have a Sig P229. Sweet guns! My pal "Trooper Buddy" carries one of those as a duty weapon. That's the round that most of the cops I know choose (or have to use). Unlike some of us, they're going to go with what's most likely to keep them alive rather than just what looks or sounds good. To me, having a hand-howitzer/wrist-twister for home defense is an all show/no go move. But like you said, to each his own. :dunno:

 

[georges]

Wel finally we agree on something; it is better to **** your prey with a single shot. preferably instantly.
As for your personal life, I'm gonna assume that I was correct :thefinger:.

You know nothing of me nor my personal life. So stfu and move on:douchebag:

 

[Mr. Daystar]

But it was fun

Sorry, for a minute I thought you were talking about firing 30.06 from a handgun, which I have heard advocated with 5.56, but seems kinda dangerous on the wrists for a real round.

Well, that is possible. Now some of the .223's you might be talking about, appear to be very short AR15's...they do make those, but some handgun hunters, especially those that hunt larger then deer, *******, will use a *** made by a company named "Thompson". They're pretty popular in the black powder group, making a fine example of a modern black powder rifle, but their first entrance into the *** world, as I remember, was with single shot, break open hunting handguns, in rifle calibers. And I mean BIG FUCKING BORE calibers. We're talking, drop a Moose or Caribou size calibers....and they did fuck your wrists up. I knew a guy that had one in something like .454 Marlin...some ungodly howitzer sized bullet, that would dislocate your shoulder coming out of a rifle!

For home protection, I'm 100% with you on the .40 S&W. I like the Glock 22 but I'd love to have a Sig P229. Sweet guns! My pal "Trooper Buddy" carries one of those as a duty weapon. That's the round that most of the cops I know choose (or have to use). Unlike some of us, they're going to go with what's most likely to keep them alive rather than just what looks or sounds good. To me, having a hand-howitzer/wrist-twister for home defense is an all show/no go move. But like you said, to each his own.

Yeah...I **** Glock's...that little trigger thing drives me nutty. As far a Weatherby go....finest wood working around, equal to the finest furniture. I would be afraid to take it into the woods...if I dropped it, I would cry!

 

[georges]

I've never seen a grizzly in person (even in the ***)... never hunted out west. I planned on taking a trip to hunt elk several years ago and even bought a rifle for that purpose. But there was a tragedy involving the person I was going with and we never made it (wanna buy a Weatherby Mark V in .338-.378?). I can imagine a grizzly would be a tough customer though.

The only thing I can compare that to is when I went wild boar hunting for the first time, they showed us a video before the hunt, so we'd better understand what we might be facing. In one scene, a guy shot an old, big boar (probably 300+ pounds) with a 12 ga. magnum with "00" buckshot. Have you ever seen someone beat a rug? You know how the dust flies out when they whack it with a broom or whatever? Well, when the guy shot that hog broadside, they ran the video in slow motion and that's all you saw: dust flying off him. The hog didn't even slow down. Old boars develop a heavy shield of cartilage and scar tissue that protects their vitals and it's just like a bullet proof vest. I don't guess bears have that. But I'd say anything that's big and heavily muscled would be tough to take down.

As for calibers, I had an Encore in .308 (a ******, with no muzzle brake or porting, firing a rifle round!) with me and also a .45 Win Mag (semi-auto). I had some hot loads in the Encore and it nearly broke my wrist when I was setting the scope. I haven't shot it since. I've shot some ultra-big bore revolvers that friends of mine have owned. I don't find them to be very enjoyable or pleasant to shoot. Especially if they aren't ported, the recoil is usually downright evil. I've not met that many people who were all that accurate with them. I'm a big believer in worrying more about hitting the target than how big the round is. You can fire a cannon at something, but if you can't hit the target, I think you'd be better off with a smaller caliber that you can control. I don't shoot it that much anymore, but I used to be deadly with that .45 Win Mag. Because it's a semi-auto, the recoil isn't that bad and once you get used to the weight of it, it's very controllable. Took my first hog, crawling on my belly in the leaves, at about 40 yards with open sights (the more years pass, the longer that shot will become... it was probably closer to 35 yards, but next year, I'll claim it was a 50 yard shot). I wouldn't be afraid to face a grizzly with that thing (with the right ammo). I'd zap him with 6 rounds and if he kept coming, I'd take the General Custer way out (use #7 on myself).

For home protection, I'm 100% with you on the .40 S&W. I like the Glock 22 but I'd love to have a Sig P229. Sweet guns! My pal "Trooper Buddy" carries one of those as a duty weapon. That's the round that most of the cops I know choose (or have to use). Unlike some of us, they're going to go with what's most likely to keep them alive rather than just what looks or sounds good. To me, having a hand-howitzer/wrist-twister for home defense is an all show/no go move. But like you said, to each his own. :dunno:

You have several types of ammo in caliber 500 s&w, here are some http://www.winchester.com/Products/...ovative/dual-bond-handgun/Pages/S500SWDB.aspx
http://www.winchester.com/Products/...platinum-tip-hollow-point/Pages/S500PTHP.aspx
Same with the 44 mag http://www.winchester.com/Products/.../platinum-tip-hollow-point/Pages/S44PTHP.aspx http://www.winchester.com/Products/...novative/dual-bond-handgun/Pages/S44RMDB.aspx http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/Value/******/Pages/Q4240.aspx http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/Performance/Super-X-handgun/Pages/X44MS.aspx.
The 44 is a far more controlable round than the 500 no disagreements with you on that and it can be accurate in the hands of trained shooter. Of course training is something important when shooting big bores. I however find the 40s&w to be lacking power. I prefered the 10 mm auto which was the original cartridge on which was based the 40s &w. The 45 acp is otherwise a good allround round and if used I prefer to use this round in a para ord p14-45 high cap 1911 with corbon or winchester ammo.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

You have several types of ammo in caliber 500 s&w, here are some http://www.winchester.com/Products/...ovative/dual-bond-handgun/Pages/S500SWDB.aspx
http://www.winchester.com/Products/...platinum-tip-hollow-point/Pages/S500PTHP.aspx
Same with the 44 mag http://www.winchester.com/Products/.../platinum-tip-hollow-point/Pages/S44PTHP.aspx http://www.winchester.com/Products/...novative/dual-bond-handgun/Pages/S44RMDB.aspx http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/Value/******/Pages/Q4240.aspx http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/Performance/Super-X-handgun/Pages/X44MS.aspx.
The 44 is a far more controlable round than the 500 no disagreements with you on that and it can be accurate in the hands of trained shooter. Of course training is something important when shooting big bores. I however find the 40s&w to be lacking power. I prefered the 10 mm auto which was the original cartridge on which was based the 40s &w. The 45 acp is otherwise a good allround round and if used I prefer to use this round in a para ord p14-45 high cap 1911 with corbon or winchester ammo.

Jesus dude...WHO, or WHAT are you trying to ****?!?! I'm tellin ya, a .40 S&W, or a .45ACP are more then enough to **** a man, even with one round. The object isn't to create a hole you can step through, it's to leave a bullet in the guy, so he has to lay on an operating table for a few hours. The civil courts in this country will tear you apart for carrying a hand canon like that. You need to make prudent choices when selecting a CCW firearm. With all due respect to you, and your knowledge....and you know I've always treated you that way, you have to be careful about the advise you give people when it comes to this stuff....prosecutors, and juries tend to ask why you need a .44 magnum, to defend yourself, when the cops carry 40's, and 45's. I'm just sayin bro.

 

[georges]

Jesus dude...WHO, or WHAT are you trying to ****?!?! I'm tellin ya, a .40 S&W, or a .45ACP are more then enough to **** a man, even with one round. The object isn't to create a hole you can step through, it's to leave a bullet in the guy, so he has to lay on an operating table for a few hours. The civil courts in this country will tear you apart for carrying a hand canon like that. You need to make prudent choices when selecting a CCW firearm. With all due respect to you, and your knowledge....and you know I've always treated you that way, you have to be careful about the advise you give people when it comes to this stuff....prosecutors, and juries tend to ask why you need a .44 magnum, to defend yourself, when the cops carry 40's, and 45's. I'm just sayin bro.

Why a 44 magnum? Easy to answer, the felon whether he wears a bulletproof vest or not,he is knowcked down for good and it doesn't live him a single chance of shooting against you a single time. If the felon tries to escape, a bullet of 44 magnum will blow his car engine. One can also use the 357 magnum, the 357 sig, the 10 mm auto or the 41 magnum which are already enough for knocking down scum. The civil courts should tear apart the scumbags who illegally own full automatics, submachineguns and machineguns. A lot of hunters hunt with big bore revolvers in the USA, just saying.

 

[Mayhem]

Well, that is possible. Now some of the .223's you might be talking about, appear to be very short AR15's...they do make those, but some handgun hunters, especially those that hunt larger then deer, *******, will use a *** made by a company named "Thompson". They're pretty popular in the black powder group, making a fine example of a modern black powder rifle, but their first entrance into the *** world, as I remember, was with single shot, break open hunting handguns, in rifle calibers. And I mean BIG FUCKING BORE calibers. We're talking, drop a Moose or Caribou size calibers....and they did fuck your wrists up. I knew a guy that had one in something like .454 Marlin...some ungodly howitzer sized bullet, that would dislocate your shoulder coming out of a rifle!

Thompson/Center.

http://www.tcarms.com/

 

[vodkazvictim]

You know nothing of me nor my personal life. So stfu and move on:douchebag:

I know of you.
I can infer about your personal life. Or lack thereof. :thefinger:

If the felon tries to escape, a bullet of 44 magnum will blow his car engine.

Scary.

 

[assari]

No, they are searching for tires for their cars. Of course they're looking for food you numb-skull. These are wild ******* and they are getting into populated areas. Are you suggesting that we feed them?

I meant that it is sad if the ******* come in search food and then they are ******.

It is ******.

3: How will burning Brum help? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Burning of the city does not make sense, but it is a show of strenght.

Many politicians despise people, but if the people show their strenght then the politicians will be ****** to change their behavior.

If the politicians do not listen to people's opinion then there is a fault in the system.

 

[vodkazvictim]

I meant that it is sad if the ******* come in search food and then they are ******.

It is ******.






Burning of the city does not make sense, but it is a show of strenght.

Many politicians despise people, but if the people show their strenght then the politicians will be ****** to change their behavior.

If the politicians do not listen to people's opinion then there is a fault in the system.

Politicians don't care about Birmingham.
They care about London.
They care about their homes and institutions.
As far as they're concerned Birmingham, a city of poor people, and all her occupants, can suffer and die. They just don't care.