Catholic Church Brings Back Indulgences

[Facial_King]

Pretty interesting article. Served as another reminder to myself why I choose to steer clear of organized religion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/nyregion/10indulgence.html?_r=2&hp

"According to church teaching, even after sinners are absolved in the confessional and say their Our Fathers or Hail Marys as penance, they still face punishment after death, in Purgatory, before they can enter heaven. In exchange for certain prayers, devotions or pilgrimages in special years, a Catholic can receive an indulgence, which reduces or erases that punishment instantly, with no formal ceremony or sacrament.

There are partial indulgences, which reduce purgatorial time by a certain number of days or years, and plenary indulgences, which eliminate all of it, until another sin is committed. You can get one for yourself, or for someone who is dead. You cannot buy one — the church outlawed the sale of indulgences in 1567 — but charitable contributions, combined with other acts, can help you earn one. There is a limit of one plenary indulgence per sinner per day."

Sorry, but it all just sounds so kooky to me.
:dunno:

 

[Embryoyo]

I don't even know how to feel about this, aside from knowing it doesn't make me feel good, haha. Another reason to make me question why people as gullible enough to follow religion.

 

[D-rock]

Selling indulgences is one of the ways the Catholic Church funded much of their enormous building in the Vatican all those years ago. Even a lot of people in the church think it's one of their lower moments.

There is a limit of one plenary indulgence per sinner per day.

I found that part to be especially hilarious. They word like like a store that’s having some sort of sale.

I also find it funny that any monotheistic religion would think anybody other than God would decide what ultimately happens to a person after death. I'm sure he's not going to care what somebody else thinks or if some person that isn't repentant and didn't care about atonement tried to buy his way out of what he did. From what I understand he's supposedly pretty hard to fool to.

 

[hillhopper]

I thought it sounded like the church was still accepting "payments" but now they call it donations................WTF?
Don't really know enough to weigh in except that I know I don't like other people telling me what to believe ultimately.

 

[BlueBalls]

Didnt they get rid of the idea of purgatory anyway?

So why bring these back if there isnt any purgatory, if your going to hell no matter how many indulgences you buy/pray for or however the fuck you get them, you are not getting out.


Me, Am I going to get some?
Nah, I'm a non believer, al this kneeling and prayer and heaven and hell isnt for me. I'm looking forward to the eternal nothingness when I'm dead. I'm gonna get some serious rest done. :thumbsup:

 

[pikachar]

So why bring these back if there isnt any purgatory, if your going to hell no matter how many indulgences you buy/pray for or however the fuck you get them, you are not getting out.

I thought that living on earth was purgatory enough, you mean it can get worse?:rofl:

 

[Elwood70]

You cannot buy one — the church outlawed the sale of indulgences in 1567 — but charitable contributions, combined with other acts, can help you earn one. :

Isn't that pretty much the same thing?


Maybe this is what Robert Plant meant......

 

[D-rock]

I also find it pretty sad that you can not only get one, but that you can get one for somebody else. I didn't know you could have somebody else atone for you. :1orglaugh

 

[jamrak]

when I saw the title my thoughts were like "WTF?! this shit can not be real!"

and after I read the article my thoughts are like "they are fucking assholes".

 

[Red Spyder]

Why not? The environmental movement has its own indulgences called carbon credits anyway.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

It is good news for me. That means that I still have a Chance to get into heaven.........if I hit the lottery

 

[Werewolf]

They don't even know, what they did a few Years ago... There is no purgatory anymore...

 

[Dean Wormer]

What are they trying to do? Create another Martin Luther and have another Reformation? They got pissed off enough about that the first time. (1517)

 

[Petra]

What are they trying to do? Create another Martin Luther and have another Reformation? They got pissed off enough about that the first time. (1517)

You know, my thought is almost the same except Martin Luther must be rolling in his grave. And of course, this is one of the many reasons I dislike the Catholic church.

 

[Gordar]

Pretty interesting article. Served as another reminder to myself why I choose to steer clear of organized religion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/nyregion/10indulgence.html?_r=2&hp

"According to church teaching, even after sinners are absolved in the confessional and say their Our Fathers or Hail Marys as penance, they still face punishment after death, in Purgatory, before they can enter heaven. In exchange for certain prayers, devotions or pilgrimages in special years, a Catholic can receive an indulgence, which reduces or erases that punishment instantly, with no formal ceremony or sacrament.

There are partial indulgences, which reduce purgatorial time by a certain number of days or years, and plenary indulgences, which eliminate all of it, until another sin is committed. You can get one for yourself, or for someone who is dead. You cannot buy one — the church outlawed the sale of indulgences in 1567 — but charitable contributions, combined with other acts, can help you earn one. There is a limit of one plenary indulgence per sinner per day."

Sorry, but it all just sounds so kooky to me.
:dunno:

Why take all the trouble of getting rid of your sins, so that you can go straight to heaven & can stare in awe at god all day long (Dante's la Divina Commedia) when, if you sin a bit more, you can go straight to hell, where all the excitement is?

 

[Nester6]

I think this is a vain attempt at "getting people back to church and confession." The irrelevance of religion,lack of new priests and nuns,the sexual scandal, has turned off many people about church, period.
Maybe they'll offer a free fill up on each Mass attended next.