Cancel Christmas. Jesus Christ was born on June 17

[HELLRAISER]

I thought everybody knew Jesus wasn't born on December 25.:dunno:

NeoCons don't know nor they want to know becoz NeoCons and intellectual honesty are like oil and water; they don't mix

 

[JacknCoke]

NeoCons don't know nor they want to know becoz NeoCons and intellectual honesty are like oil and water; they don't mix

^ Worst post/poster of the year award right here.:crash:

It's funny how you do nothing but flame Neocon's and label everyone opposed to you as a neocon. I don't like bleeding heart liberals but I think you are the only person on this board that I have given that title too.

 

[HELLRAISER]

^ actually that title goes to you NeoCons every single year

 

[whoremaker]

Come one HELLDOUCHER, you know you'd be disappointed if Christmas were to be canceled; then you'd have to find something else to get all worked up into a moronic, slobbering lather about. Christmas gives you the perfect excuse to post your inane, idiotic threads attacking and insulting people and their beliefs. Why would you want to give that up?

 

[HELLRAISER]

Come one HELLDOUCHER, you know you'd be disappointed if Christmas were to be canceled; then you'd have to find something else to get all worked up into a moronic, slobbering lather about. Christmas gives you the perfect excuse to post your inane, idiotic threads attacking and insulting people and their beliefs. Why would you want to give that up?

I wouldn't be disappointed at all. I find it ironic for so-called Christians who celebrate Christmas are actually celebrating a holiday that in essence is filled with heathen symbolism and pagan practices which Jesus Christ was against.

 

[whoremaker]

practices which Jesus Christ was against.

Really? Wow, which Jesus are you talking about? Because it's certainly not Christ. I thought you were Mr Expert On Everything? Guess not. Still just an obviously hysterical assclown.

Move along, everyone. Nothing to see here! HELLDOUCHER is just making a fool of himself again! Nothing new to see!

 

[HELLRAISER]

Really? Wow, which Jesus are you talking about? Because it's certainly not Christ. I thought you were Mr Expert On Everything? Guess not. Still just an obviously hysterical assclown.

Move along, everyone. Nothing to see here! HELLDOUCHER is just making a fool of himself again! Nothing new to see!

Once again this NeoCon & Co. have nothing insightful nor intelligent to add to the discussion about Christs actual birthdate

 

[whoremaker]

:hatsoff:

 

[Crazy4theBrat]

Strange how a guy who calls himself Hellraiser claims to be such an expert on Jesus.

 

[JacknCoke]

^ actually that title goes to you NeoCons every single year

lol you are so entertaining...

Hope Santa shits in your stalking:thumbsup:

 

[power-san]

How in the fuck is Santa Supposed to land his sled on the roof without snow, huh? Let's see them there scientists come up with a solution for that!

Wait a second... how does Santa land his sleigh in Florida or Cali?

 

[JacknCoke]

Strange how a guy who calls himself Hellraiser claims to be such an expert on Jesus.

hahaha, Jesus speaks to him. They have story time every other Tuesday:nanner:

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...stmas--Jesus-born-June-17-say-scientists.html

Cancel Christmas - Jesus was born June 17, say scientists

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:57 AM on 09th December 2008

It may not be too late to send the presents back, as astronomers have calculated that Christmas should not be celebrated on December 25 - but on June 17 instead.

Researchers tracked the appearance of the 'Christmas star', which the Bible states three wise men followed to find Jesus.

Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.

He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago - but pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17, and not December 25.

Scientists claim the Christmas star was most likely a magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single 'beacon of light' which appeared suddenly.

Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.

Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere between 3BC and 1AD.

Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.

Mr Reneke, who is editor of Sky and Space magazine, said: 'We have software that can recreate the night sky exactly as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.

'Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.

'We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.

'Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas star. There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we have from the time.

'This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.'

He added: 'December is an arbitrary date we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.

'This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at the right time.

'Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce people's faith.'

Previous theories have speculated that the star was a supernova (exploding star) or even a comet.

But Mr Reneke says that by narrowing the date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation yet.

A leading theory behind why December 25 was chosen as the date to celebrate Christ's birth, was that it was selected by the church as it aligned closely with a major pagan festival, which allowed the church to claim a new celebration for Christianity.

However, if the findings are correct, it would mean a change from Christmas cards featuring traditional snowy scenes to sunny beach views in June.

HELL RAISER,
You are so backdated on this I had no idea. Not only this was proved in 1920s, it was also known to the knowledgeable; why and how "Birth Day of Jesus Christ" got associated with 25th December.

Normally I don't react this way, but your sig is offensive to religiously minded people. Though I'm not a Christian I felt abused.

I advise you to delete your flaming signature immediately. Else I will do it and do it with consequences.

THIS IS A WARNING, please DO NOT ignore. You have 24 hours.

 

[D-rock]

Ummm...people do realize that we have know that he wasn't born in December of where our modern calendar places it for about 2,000 years now. This isn't a new concept.

 

[jasonk282]

Ummm...people do realize that we have know that he wasn't born in December of our modern calendar for about 2,000 years now. This isn't a new concept.

unless your trying to bait people like Hellraiser does, it is new to him.

 

[Montrealman]

Happy Holidays!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[D-rock]

unless your trying to bait people like Hellraiser does, it is new to him.

I'm not trying to bait anybody.

I just honestly believed that it was a commonly known fact to most people a little knowledgeable on the subject, and at the very least wasn't a secret or anything like that.

 

[marquis2]

We should change it to June. Up here in Canada having Christmas parties in December sucks as it's just so damn cold.

December without Christmas would be rather cheerless though.

 

[jasonk282]

I'm not trying to bait anybody.

I just honestly believed that it was a commonly known fact to most people a little knowledgeable on the subject, and at the very least wasn't a secret or anything like that.

I was not saying your baiting anyone. I was saying Hellraiser is trying to bait people. it is VERY common knowledge that Jesus was not born in Dec 25th.

 

[Ravenholm]

It has been said before that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December. People who say it is though also think the world is flat and that we will fall off the edge if we head to the horizon.