Cancel Christmas. Jesus Christ was born on June 17

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Cancel Christmas - Jesus was born June 17, say scientists

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:57 AM on 09th December 2008

It may not be too late to send the presents back, as astronomers have calculated that Christmas should not be celebrated on December 25 - but on June 17 instead.

Researchers tracked the appearance of the 'Christmas star', which the Bible states three wise men followed to find Jesus.

Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.

He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago - but pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17, and not December 25.

Scientists claim the Christmas star was most likely a magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single 'beacon of light' which appeared suddenly.

Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.

Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere between 3BC and 1AD.

Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.

Mr Reneke, who is editor of Sky and Space magazine, said: 'We have software that can recreate the night sky exactly as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.

'Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.

'We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.

'Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas star. There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we have from the time.

'This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.'

He added: 'December is an arbitrary date we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.

'This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at the right time.

'Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce people's faith.'

Previous theories have speculated that the star was a supernova (exploding star) or even a comet.

But Mr Reneke says that by narrowing the date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation yet.

A leading theory behind why December 25 was chosen as the date to celebrate Christ's birth, was that it was selected by the church as it aligned closely with a major pagan festival, which allowed the church to claim a new celebration for Christianity.

However, if the findings are correct, it would mean a change from Christmas cards featuring traditional snowy scenes to sunny beach views in June.
 

Elektra Knight

Official Checked Star Member
Well I huess who ever decided to make christmas in july came pretty close. :wave2:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...stmas--Jesus-born-June-17-say-scientists.html

Cancel Christmas - Jesus was born June 17, say scientists

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:57 AM on 09th December 2008

It may not be too late to send the presents back, as astronomers have calculated that Christmas should not be celebrated on December 25 - but on June 17 instead.

Researchers tracked the appearance of the 'Christmas star', which the Bible states three wise men followed to find Jesus.

Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.

He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago - but pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17, and not December 25.

Scientists claim the Christmas star was most likely a magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single 'beacon of light' which appeared suddenly.

Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.

Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere between 3BC and 1AD.

Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.

Mr Reneke, who is editor of Sky and Space magazine, said: 'We have software that can recreate the night sky exactly as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.

'Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.

'We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.

'Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas star. There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we have from the time.

'This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.'

He added: 'December is an arbitrary date we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.

'This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at the right time.

'Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce people's faith.'

Previous theories have speculated that the star was a supernova (exploding star) or even a comet.

But Mr Reneke says that by narrowing the date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation yet.

A leading theory behind why December 25 was chosen as the date to celebrate Christ's birth, was that it was selected by the church as it aligned closely with a major pagan festival, which allowed the church to claim a new celebration for Christianity.

However, if the findings are correct, it would mean a change from Christmas cards featuring traditional snowy scenes to sunny beach views in June.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Maybe for 2012 they can move Christmas to June 17th? That way we are guarenteed a Christmas and we finally have an excuse for stuffing our faces with turkey in the middle of summer.
 

maildude

Postal Paranoiac
Okay, HR...NOW you're instigating!! :nono:
 
^ How is posting historical and scientific facts instigating?
 

Wainkerr99

Closed Account
Finally. They have been speculating on that for the longest time. So, either Gemini or Cancer huh? Either way, my body clock is completely wound down this time of year. I am exhausted.
 
^ now the question science has yet to answer, was Mary really a virgin when she gave birth to baby Jesus Christ?
 

Philbert

Banned
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...stmas--Jesus-born-June-17-say-scientists.html

Cancel Christmas - Jesus was born June 17, say scientists

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:57 AM on 09th December 2008

It may not be too late to send the presents back, as astronomers have calculated that Christmas should not be celebrated on December 25 - but on June 17 instead.

Researchers tracked the appearance of the 'Christmas star', which the Bible states three wise men followed to find Jesus.

Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.

He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago - but pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17, and not December 25.

Scientists claim the Christmas star was most likely a magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single 'beacon of light' which appeared suddenly.

Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.

Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere between 3BC and 1AD.

Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.

Mr Reneke, who is editor of Sky and Space magazine, said: 'We have software that can recreate the night sky exactly as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.

'Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.

'We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.

'Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas star. There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we have from the time.

'This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.'

He added: 'December is an arbitrary date we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.

'This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at the right time.

'Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce people's faith.'

Previous theories have speculated that the star was a supernova (exploding star) or even a comet.

But Mr Reneke says that by narrowing the date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation yet.

A leading theory behind why December 25 was chosen as the date to celebrate Christ's birth, was that it was selected by the church as it aligned closely with a major pagan festival, which allowed the church to claim a new celebration for Christianity.

However, if the findings are correct, it would mean a change from Christmas cards featuring traditional snowy scenes to sunny beach views in June.

Once again, you go from just plain crazy to dishonest...now, try to understand...
In the very words you posted the sci-guy states clearly that this isn't FACT, but a good theory. He uses words like probably, might, etc...you have changed a good possible theory to sci-fact.
Stick to ca-raaazy...it's much more fun for those who read your Neo-Paranoid ravings than this alarmist, skewed infoposting.
:sleep:
 
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Then again, Christmas is a tradition, whether Jesus was born in December or June, I guess that was pretty much irrelevant for those who decided to celebrate his birth in December. Maybe it was more convenient for them back at that time to take time off during the winter than during the summer, harvest season, in order to celebrate.
 
The word "scientist" gets rather over worked these days. Now come on everybody, since when has a star been so local that you can walk along till you're under it? Not to mention that things move all the time.
Christmas Day was never intended to be considered the actual birthday of Christ - we don't do round singing "Happy birthday dear Jesus" do we?
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Jesus was born June 17, say scientists

Well, now I believe him. :rolleyes: Many different theories have been concocted to pinpoint the actual date.

The actual date isn't in the Bible. So, stop looking, you're wasting your time.


Okay, HR...NOW you're instigating!! :nono:

Yeah! :nono:

The word "scientist" gets rather over worked these days. Now come on everybody, since when has a star been so local that you can walk along till you're under it? Not to mention that things move all the time.
Christmas Day was never intended to be considered the actual birthday of Christ - we don't do round singing "Happy birthday dear Jesus" do we?

You're correct.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
hel raiser is a product of society.
he hates what they trained him to hate.
I'm guessing he's between 15 and 22 years old, never had a real job and his life experience and social interactions are only from public school and his computer.
he hates conservatism , he hates christians.
why all the hate? It fills a void. it feels good.

hey man , instead of hating christians and capitalism so much, why not go to a middle eastern muslim country for a while, see how they treat a white, U.S citizen , and assumed christian over there.
you can go around telling them how christians suck.
Iran, Iraq, syria, ect.
Go check it out, let us know how it goes.

Christmas is december 25th.
people like you, trying to push your trained pov on everybody are just annoying.
 
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