Business and the making of American gun culture

[BCsSecretAlias]

I can't do anything other than speculate about your anecdotal experience. But I can say that in 2005, in contrast, I was openly sharing with both my liberal and conservative friends and acquaintances my opinion that Clinton would definitely be running for president, and that Obama was very likely to be her opponent. This was not some darkly held secret among clannish liberals. On the contrary the dems I knew were, like me, discussing it very openly with all comers.

Maybe you just happened on some folks who, knowing or sensing your disdain for liberals, decided to try to mess with you :dunno:
It's a quantum leap from that simple, logical possibility to the (false) contention that "liberals never spell out their agenda".

Hmmm.. interesting. I believe you however. They could have been purposely yanking my chain.

 

[Johan]

Ok, so let's assume Obama wants your guns. He knows tht, even if it wasn't for the NRA and SCOTUS, the feds wouldn't be able t collect people's guns peacefully, that would in into a civil war. So, don't worry, he is not coming for your guns. He did not came for them yesterday, he's not coming today, he won't come tomorrow.
But Wayne Lapierre wants you to think he's coming for them, because it would make you buy guns that you wouldn't have bought otherwise.

....Shall not be infringed.

...Well regulated...

 

[sean miguel]

...Well regulated...

... prefatory clause.

 

[Johan]

... prefatory clause.

Sine qua none

 

[BCsSecretAlias]

... prefatory clause.

^^^^^^^^^ This

 

[Mayhem]

Ok, so let's assume Obama wants your guns. He knows tht, even if it wasn't for the NRA and SCOTUS, the feds wouldn't be able t collect people's guns peacefully, that would in into a civil war. So, don't worry, he is not coming for your guns. He did not came for them yesterday, he's not coming today, he won't come tomorrow.
But Wayne Lapierre wants you to think he's coming for them, because it would make you buy guns that you wouldn't have bought otherwise.

...Well regulated...

The Right of the People...

 

[Luxman]

Every time there is a mass shooting, pro gun fans get all paranoid because of all the BS the NRA starts spreading that their guns will be taken away.
The only reason America has so many guns is because of a corporate campaign started 100 years ago to make more profits.
The corporate funded NRA's sole purpose is to protect corporate profits !!!!
It's always about the money.

No one is going to take your guns, you can buy as many guns as you want, 100 should be enough to protect you from the mostly imaginary threats, and sure an AR-15 is more fun to use when you're hunting.
The only thing the liberals are asking for is for stricter gun laws when purchasing guns.
One week waiting period for a background check, and a mandatory gun safety class, before you can buy the gun.

 

[Johan]

The Right of the People...

Ok since we've covered nearly every word of that sentence, lets review it as a whole.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State
So, ther militia is necessary to the security of a free state. Then, where's the militia ? Some of you might say that the militia is the people. Then who or what make sur that the militia is self regulated. When people with diagnosed mental issues can buy any kind of guns, the militia is not well regulated.
The Founding Fathers wanted US citizens to have the right to own guns so they would be able to defend the nation against dictators and other authoritarian regimes. They wanted the people to form a militia and the militia to be welle regulated. They wanted guns owners to be trained is the use of guns, they wanted the community to make sure that people who coudl represent a threat to the community and it's members wouldn't not to be able to buy guns.
But when there's no well regulated militia, then the sole purpose of the right to bear arms fades away.



2) The Right of the People to bear arms shall not be infringed.
It says "the right to bear arms". It doesn't say "the right to bear any kind of arms" So, basically you coud argue that the people have the right to bear RPG, tanks, cluster mines, etc... But you could also argue that people have the righyt to a reasonable fire power : pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc. but no assault-rifles, not sniper rifles, no body-armor piercing ammos, etc.

 

[BCsSecretAlias]

Ok since we've covered nearly every word of that sentence, lets review it as a whole.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State
So, ther militia is necessary to the security of a free state. Then, where's the militia ? Some of you might say that the militia is the people. Then who or what make sur that the militia is self regulated. When people with diagnosed mental issues can buy any kind of guns, the militia is not well regulated.
The Founding Fathers wanted US citizens to have the right to own guns so they would be able to defend the nation against dictators and other authoritarian regimes. They wanted the people to form a militia and the militia to be welle regulated. They wanted guns owners to be trained is the use of guns, they wanted the community to make sure that people who coudl represent a threat to the community and it's members wouldn't not to be able to buy guns.
But when there's no well regulated militia, then the sole purpose of the right to bear arms fades away.



2) The Right of the People to bear arms shall not be infringed.
It says "the right to bear arms". It doesn't say "the right to bear any kind of arms" So, basically you coud argue that the people have the right to bear RPG, tanks, cluster mines, etc... But you could also argue that people have the righyt to a reasonable fire power : pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc. but no assault-rifles, not sniper rifles, no body-armor piercing ammos, etc.

Bear ( of a person)

Carry

Support


This is what the framers meant.

If you know of anyone that can lift, carry, shot put, swing around your head like a helicopter a tank or any other major piece of military equipment, kindly shut the fuck up.

 

[sean miguel]

Ok since we've covered nearly every word of that sentence, lets review it as a whole.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State
So, ther militia is necessary to the security of a free state. Then, where's the militia ? Some of you might say that the militia is the people. Then who or what make sur that the militia is self regulated. When people with diagnosed mental issues can buy any kind of guns, the militia is not well regulated.

The person who committed the worst mass shooting in U.S. history passed all of his background checks, an FBI inquiry, was not diagnosed with mental issues, was a licensed armed security officer in the state of Florida. What laws would have prevented him from doing what he did?

 

[Johan]

The person who committed the worst mass shooting in U.S. history passed all of his background checks, an FBI inquiry, was not diagnosed with mental issues, was a licensed armed security officer in the state of Florida. What laws would have prevented him from doing what he did?

OK, fair enough

Earlier in his discussion BC mentioned the Virginia Tech shooter, arguing that he had killed all these people with pistols so any laws against assault-rifles wouldn't have prevented him from killing 23 people. Actually this shooter had been diagnosed "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization", "suicidal" and "an imminent danger to himself or others,". But Virginia laws are worded in such way that he was still able to buy guns.
Hadn't he been able to buy guns he would most probably not have killed 23 people.

Now please, tell me that this guy having the same right than you to buy any kind of guns, is normal. Tell me that there's not something wrong with this, something that should never have been and that should be corrected as soon as possible.

 

[Luxman]

Most Americans believe we should have gun regulation. Here is why those who don’t are winning the debate.

http://theconversation.com/most-ame...y-those-who-dont-are-winning-the-debate-61251