Luxman
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The NRA is a corporate funded lobbying (aka bribing) machine.
http://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/public/mad-men-2/
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Business and the making of American gun culture
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BCsSecretAlias
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You know what causes even more desire to own a firearm? Jackwagons like Obama wanting to make it damn near impossible to own one.
Nope. What causes desire to own a fiream is actually people like Wayne Lapierre who pretend that "Obama is coming for you guns" when Obama just wantys to ban some kinds of guns that are particularly "effective" and prevent some particularly dangerous people (people with mental issues, people on the terrorist watch-list) from owning guns.
Back in the days 2 or 3 centuries ago, the community was organised and self-regulated. People were looking after each other and they made sure that the village idiot wouldn't get any close to any gun. Now nobody make sure the village idiot don't have access toguns and people like Wayne Lapierre actually make sure that nobody would stand between the village idiot and the gun.
This is how you have shooting like the Newton shooting, the Denver shooting, the Dallas shooting, etc.
BCsSecretAlias
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The shooter at Virginia Tech used pistols. Obama does want our guns and if not for the NRA and a few on SCOTUS he would have them confiscated by now. Your strict gun laws really helped you in Paris back in November, didn't they? The slippery slope is bureaucracy deciding who is fit to own a gun. Which could be manipulated to restrict just about everyone. Mind your own fucked up gun laws.
Ok, so you've provided the an example of a particularly deadly shooting where the shooter used pistols. But tell me : Among the 20 kids killed by Adam Lanza on Sandy Hook, how many could have survived if he had used pistols ? Don't tell me you think they would still be all dead...
Do you have any fact, any data to back the claim that Obama wants to disarm the American people ? Do you really think he's stupid enough to think that, if it wasn't for SCOTUS and the NRA, the feds could go from house to house and seize guns from every single american citizen without any resistance, alla over the country ?
You're right, in that very case, our strict guns laws failed to protect us. Confronted to people that are organised, decide to acquire assault weapons, that are supported by ISIS and have accessto peole who can provide them with any kind of guns they want, strict gun laws aren't efficient enough. But sometimes, they still are : In January, a few days after the Charlie Hebdo shooting, police arrested a man who was setingup a terrorist attack. It all happened at a random traffic stop, they routinely checked the guy's car and found some assault-rifles in the trunk. Pistols and rifles are legal in France if you have a licence, assault-rifles are banned, so they arrested the guy for owning these guns. Then they investigate on him and found he was a radical seting up a terrorist attack and that it wasd only a matter of days before he would be ready.
So yes, our strict guns laws do protect us against terrorist. Not all of them but some of them.
The slippery slope is the paranoïa of the Right, always thinking that the government is against them. It's something the alkways trikes me about the US, : you guys have created right-wing anarchism
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Other things Obama has said:
"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman" "If you like your doctor you can keep them "My position hasn’t changed" on using executive authority to address immigration issues."
"For the first time since 1990, American manufacturers are creating new jobs." He says a lot of shit. Some of us actually listen. He wants our guns just as much as he vaguely lies about everything else. If SCOTUS overturned the 2nd they would come for them but they would meet resistance. We call it revolution.
What causes desire to own a fiream is actually people like Wayne Lapierre who pretend that "Obama is coming for you guns"
Yep
Do you have any fact, any data to back the claim that Obama wants to disarm the American people ?
No, he doesn't.
If SCOTUS overturned the 2nd
Not going to happen. Even the overwhelming majority of democrats are dead set against it.
they would meet resistance. We call it revolution.
And millions of democrats would be standing right beside you, participating in that resistance.
So enough with the hysteria already.
Nobody is going to take your freaking guns, or mine.
Yep
Do you have any fact, any data to back the claim that Obama wants to disarm the American people ?
No, he doesn't.
If SCOTUS overturned the 2nd
Not going to happen. Even the overwhelming majority of democrats are dead set against it.
they would meet resistance. We call it revolution.
And millions of democrats would be standing right beside you, participating in that resistance.
So enough with the hysteria already.
Nobody is going to take your freaking guns, or mine.
BCsSecretAlias
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First liberals never explicitly spell out their agenda. It is always implemented piece meal. Obama had pounced on gun control every time an event happens that he thinks will forward his gun control agenda. John R. Lott Jr was a fellow professor with Obama at the University of Chicago. He admitted to him that he was anti-gun.
Let's look at his actions not his words, Ted Cruz lays out the case better than anyone. From an exchange with Neil Cavuto during a Republican debate:
Obama wants our guns and he wanted them yesterday. I look forward to you joining us when it comes time to defend our right.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
How does the SCOTUS overturn an amendment? They couldn't do that even if they unanimously wanted to, could they? It would take a constitutional amendment to rescind the second amendment from my understanding (the history of prohibition and its subsequent cancellation would be the template....no?). I agree with pool_hustler....you can fret and stew about it but there's no way it happens. More restrictive gun laws may be on the docket but to completely and overtly come and take our guns away? The sky isn't falling and the banning of guns en total ain't happening either. At least not unless it's from my "cold, dead hands".
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You are intentionally being obtuse. You know full well that SCOTUS stacked with left wing activist justices can very well render an opinion that would take away the right to bear arms. All they have to do is interpret the constitution to fit their ideology rendering the 2nd Amendment as we know it obsolete and overturning it via fiat.
BCsSecretAlias
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I just explained more in a paragraph than your skull full of mush could comprehend in a lifetime. And it is 100 percent possible under the right circumstances. Now go fuck yourself soldier.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
"intentionally obtuse"?? I don't know where you get off with that concept. C'mon man, I'm not a legal expert....you're the friggin' lawyer so I'm asking a question. If that makes me obtuse in some way....well :dunno:
If we were to do away with the first amendment, would you not agree that it would be impossible to actually officially eliminate the amendment from the constitution without the passage of another amendment? It's worked like that before.
BCsSecretAlias
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Interpretation is the cornerstone of any SCOTUS decision. If enough justices are of like mind in their interpretation, any aspect of the constitution can be changed through that interpretation. Will they say in the opinion" we don't like the 2nd Amendment therefore we are interpreting it as meaning ________"? Of course not. But make no.mistake, anything in the constitution is subject to those that are in charge of interpreting it. There are certainly enough sitting justices now that believe it is a living breathing document that 2 or 3 more could send the 2nd as we know it buh bye.
Mayhem
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No, you explained more in a paragraph than has any chance of happening in any form of reality. But hey, it gives hairy-chested he-men like you one more thing to shit your knickers and hide under the bed about. Like the true American hero you are.
First liberals never explicitly spell out their agenda. It is always implemented piece meal.
A gross generalization and a false absolute.
As just one for instance of countless others, Obama was very explicit about favoring single payer health care.
“Well, he appointed Eric Holder as attorney general,” said Cruz. “Eric Holder said he viewed his mission as brainwashing the American people against guns.
Oh well I'm sure Cruz would never stoop to twisting or embellishing, so perhaps this was just a simple misunderstanding.
In fact Holder was talking about working hard to deglamorize the image of guns...particularly among young black men...that they were "cool"...and that it was 'hip" to carry one ....with a goal of reducing gun crime in Washington DC (where he was the US DA at the time).
No mention at all of confiscating America's guns/overturning the 2A.
A gross generalization and a false absolute.
As just one for instance of countless others, Obama was very explicit about favoring single payer health care.
“Well, he appointed Eric Holder as attorney general,” said Cruz. “Eric Holder said he viewed his mission as brainwashing the American people against guns.
Oh well I'm sure Cruz would never stoop to twisting or embellishing, so perhaps this was just a simple misunderstanding.
In fact Holder was talking about working hard to deglamorize the image of guns...particularly among young black men...that they were "cool"...and that it was 'hip" to carry one ....with a goal of reducing gun crime in Washington DC (where he was the US DA at the time).
No mention at all of confiscating America's guns/overturning the 2A.
BCsSecretAlias
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About 2005, I was discussing Hillary Clinton's political ambitions with a few libs. I stated that I felt she had presidential aspirations. They all laughed and said I was simply paranoid that she would remain a Senator. Now, I know that they didn't believe that for a moment, they also knew she would seek the presidency. Anyway my point is, liberals never own up to their true agenda but I seem to be able to see through it. Perhaps since you are closer to liberal ideology you don't see it. I certainly don't believe you intentionally fall for libersl bullshit. You seem too bright for that.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
An informative, confirmative and non-confrontational response. Thank you. :hatsoff:
I can't do anything other than speculate about your anecdotal experience. But I can say that in 2005, in contrast, I was openly sharing with both my liberal and conservative friends and acquaintances my opinion that Clinton would definitely be running for president, and that Obama was very likely to be her opponent. This was not some darkly held secret among clannish liberals. On the contrary the dems I knew were, like me, discussing it very openly with all comers.
Maybe you just happened on some folks who, knowing or sensing your disdain for liberals, decided to try to mess with you :dunno:
It's a quantum leap from that simple, logical possibility to the (false) contention that "liberals never spell out their agenda".
