Bullshit religious people say

[Johan]

You can find many others like these two...

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Ah yes religion, one twisted useless pile of shit.

 

[GodsEmbryo]

Kristen Auclair (Christians against dinosaurs) got herself banned from Mumsnet, a parenting site, because she complained that dinosaurs never existed. She believes they were designed before their fossils were fabricated in an unbelievably cohesive globally-unified conspiracy at every level - to promote evolution, and thus deceive people who would otherwise have believed we were all created by magick

This can't be real right? This has got to be a joke.

Please someone tell me this is a joke and AronRa got trolled...

 

[BusterLoads]

^Nope. You'll be surprised at some (or maybe all) of the stupidity that some of these religious people believe, for example, religious nuts believe that dinosaur fossils were only put in the ground to test their faith in god . (I didn't watch the above vid yet, so I don't know if that's what he's talking about or not).I had a friend (I use the term rather loosely) of mine tell me that he didn't believe in science because he felt science was the result of Adam and Eve eating the apple...

 

[BusterLoads]

I can't believe I forgot to add this one. I was an atheist long before this movie came out but this movie lit the fire under my ass about how I started to view religious people and religion in general. This section alone is just simply amazing but the entire movie is an amazing documentary. It hits so hard that watching this vid still sends chills through my skin.

 

[Jagger69]

Do you think that lack of religion leads to unnecessary fear of death, even when the reaper man is not even nearby? This form of fear of death enhances competitiveness that already exists by further fearing of dying as a miserable, meaningless and worthless fucks. This then again can lead to even new wars being born for people trying to prove their meaningless existences and to drag down other people to boost oneself...

The rule is more of a corollary to your question. I think unnecessary fear of death (or, more precisely, the fear of the unknown that is death) leads to religion. Chieftains, emperors and kings long ago realized the power of manipulation over the masses that religion can wield, hence it's never-ending proliferation throughout history regardless of culture or geography.

 

[Johan]

Do you think that lack of religion leads to unnecessary fear of death, even when the reaper man is not even nearby? This form of fear of death enhances competitiveness that already exists by further fearing of dying as a miserable, meaningless and worthless fucks. This then again can lead to even new wars being born for people trying to prove their meaningless existences and to drag down other people to boost oneself...

I'm an atheist, I don't fear death particularly. Lie itself is meaningless. But it is up to everyone of us to change hat, to make a difference, even a tiny one. If 1.000.000 people make 1.000.000 tiny differences, it makes a huge difference.

 

[BusterLoads]

@GodEmbryo-

Thanks a lot for those Armoured Skeptic vids. You just gave me a new channel to subscribe to. Both the vids you posted by him were great.

 

[dakdak]

this thread teaches us that all religious people are stupid. are atheists too? ive met some pretty stupid athiests. how about people who merely disregard religion and take no stance? also stupid? that makes all of humanity stupid which sounds about right. but speaking in sweeping generalisations about a particular group of people does one thing and that is make you look stupid.
have stupid things been done in the name of christians? of course but stupid things have been done against christians by athiests too. how about we make decisions based on individuals and not lump all of religious people in with the ones who are radical and badly informed?

or just continue being a bigot. i am quickly learning that people here seem to think that is what you are

 

[BusterLoads]

how about people who merely disregard religion and take no stance? also stupid?

A stance like what?

I won't pretend to speak for all atheists, but I personally don't have a problem with religion. Religion exists like everything else exists. But yes, I do have a slight facepalm reaction to people that believe the stories of any and all religious bullshit to be true. I have a bigger problem with religious fools trying to push religion on others or mandate certain things to be law, i.e. trying to force kids to pray in schools. And I also have a bigger problem with religious fools that can so easily ignore and renounce things that can be proven and that have evidence of existing for things that they were just told were true by someone that has no knowledge of anything factual. So yes, I do believe most religious people are stupid, to a degree. And that's why I get so much enjoyment watching videos of people like AronRa, Christopher Hitchens (R.I.P), Matt Dillahunty and other intelligent atheists ripping apart religious fools.

 

[Jagger69]

Not to answer for dakdak but how about a stance like agnosticism which basically declares that the issue of whether or not there is a God is indeterminable and therefore irrelevant as far as an individual life is concerned? I would make the argument that atheism is actually a religion since it espouses a definite belief in the non-existence of God....sort of the 3rd leg on the stool along with monotheism and polytheism.

 

[dakdak]

jagger you seem like a smart guy

 

[Jagger69]

jagger you seem like a smart guy

"Seem" being the operative word in that statement. :1orglaugh

Hey, how smart can I be? I'm a Blues fan.... :hairpull:

 

[BusterLoads]

I would make the argument that atheism is actually a religion since it espouses a definite belief in the non-existence of God....sort of the 3rd leg on the stool along with monotheism and polytheism.

 

[Jagger69]

Wow....I went from smart to an idiot in only 3 posts! :surprise:

Too bad Mr. Maher's quips aren't viewable on Freeones. I'll have to check it out next time I'm surfing YouTube.

 

[BusterLoads]

I by no means meant to call you an idiot nor did I mean to imply that are one. It was only the title of the video.

 

[GodsEmbryo]

@GodEmbryo-

Thanks a lot for those Armoured Skeptic vids. You just gave me a new channel to subscribe to. Both the vids you posted by him were great.

:hatsoff:

Not to answer for dakdak but how about a stance like agnosticism which basically declares that the issue of whether or not there is a God is indeterminable and therefore irrelevant as far as an individual life is concerned? I would make the argument that atheism is actually a religion since it espouses a definite belief in the non-existence of God....sort of the 3rd leg on the stool along with monotheism and polytheism.

Watch from 12:20 to 18:30

That being said... I heard there are actually some atheists who have some sort of church, with sermons and so on. Usually it's ex-christians who want to make the transistion easier because they need something to hold on to. But that still doesn't make it a religion.

 

[Jagger69]

I by no means meant to call you an idiot nor did I mean to imply that are one. It was only the title of the video.

No offense taken. I disagree with Maher's premise about what qualifies as a definition of "religion" but he has a right to his opinion (idiot that he is notwithstanding ).

Watch from 12:20

I'll try to check it out later. Right now, I'm late for confession.

 

[Rattrap]

Not to answer for dakdak but how about a stance like agnosticism which basically declares that the issue of whether or not there is a God is indeterminable and therefore irrelevant as far as an individual life is concerned?

Agnosticism as a logical position only makes sense when the evidence for either case is relatively equal (I've only watched a couple of the videos posted here, so it's possible any number of them talk about this specifically; BusterLoads' last one in this post at least points out why the evidence is not equal regarding theism).

Agnosticism as a religious position is lazy, but I mean this without negative connotation - we're all lazy and agnostic about far more things in life than we aren't. One's got to pick one's battles and for some, this seemingly central question isn't worth the effort. I don't understand that, but to each their own.

Kudos on touching on falsifiability - it's not brought up as often as it should be.

I would make the argument that atheism is actually a religion since it espouses a definite belief in the non-existence of God....sort of the 3rd leg on the stool along with monotheism and polytheism.

By definition, you'd be wrong. 'A' simply meaning 'without', atheism refers to a lack of belief, not a belief in the lack of something. Pragmatically, there are definitely many that fit your category, although I caution against lumping those who are against bad logic with those who are espousing "a definite belief in the non-existence of God", or militant atheists as they're often referred to.

The difference between "there absolutely is no god and believing in one is stupid" and "it's stupid to believe in something without any empirical or logical reason" can often be hard to tell apart.

 

[Jagger69]

Agnosticism as a logical position only makes sense when the evidence for either case is relatively equal (I've only watched a couple of the videos posted here, so it's possible any number of them talk about this specifically; BusterLoads' last one in this post at least points out why the evidence is not equal regarding theism).

Agnosticism as a religious position is lazy, but I mean this without negative connotation - we're all lazy and agnostic about far more things in life than we aren't. One's got to pick one's battles and for some, this seemingly central question isn't worth the effort. I don't understand that, but to each their own.

Kudos on touching on falsifiability - it's not brought up as often as it should be.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rattrap again.

That's a terrific and thought-provoking post. :thumbsup:

I would ask you to think about this for a second....how about agnosticism as a logical position (and certainly one that doesn't connote laziness) when one's spiritual belief system is not focused around a deity and therefore doesn't consider the question to be relevant (as in Buddhism)? :dunno:

By definition, you'd be wrong. 'A' simply meaning 'without', atheism refers to a lack of belief, not a belief in the lack of something. Pragmatically, there are definitely many that fit your category, although I caution against lumping those who are against bad logic with those who are espousing "a definite belief in the non-existence of God", or militant atheists as they're often referred to.

The difference between "there absolutely is no god and believing in one is stupid" and "it's stupid to believe in something without any empirical or logical reason" can often be hard to tell apart.

I really think what this discussion has devolved into is a hair-splitting contest but I respectfully disagree with this statement and the oft-repeated claim on behalf of atheists that their position is "not a belief". Your Greek breakdown of the word translates literally to "without belief in a deity". That in and of itself is a belief. Just like the line from the Rush tune Freewill, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice". Choosing to not believe in something constitutes a belief. At least, that is my belief.

That said, please don't anyone think that I am anti-atheist. I'm not. There is indeed no scientific evidence to back up the claim that there is a "God". Believing this to be true makes way more sense than any other religion (except for Buddhism but that's a whole other discussion). I also believe this....I just don't think that it matters in the greater sense of our being.

Apologies to the OP for hijacking this thread BTW. It has devolved (or perhaps evolved is the correct word) into a general discussion about religion.