Building my own PC?

You're right, but the defining characteristic of Gates was his tenacity, obstinacy even when it came to getting his product out there and recognized.
That's business sense, I don't disagree that Gates had it. But what most people agree is that Gates was never a good software developer, and had an attitude that destroyed much of the Windows product's best features.

It wasn't surprising when most of their core architects "jumped ship" once there was enough of a dominate alternative around ... hence Google. Unlike Microsoft, Google actually lets the architects control the platform, not an eccentric, false "whiz kid."
He essentially conquered the market through sheer saturation.
Often by not merely giving things away for free, but even paying others to not ship competing products. Once his marketshare had gone from little to nothing to everything, he jacked up the price.

Gates learned long ago that government moves too slow and that partners are often too stupid to recognize there's no such thing as a "free lunch." When everyone went crying to the government over this, I argued people should point the finger right back at themselves.

Anyone who thought Microsoft Office "won" because of superior design wasn't paying attention. Everyone had native Windows applications, but corporations chose to get MS Office for free with a new PC, instead of upgrading to the Windows versions of their preferred applications.

Non-Microsoft office products still heavily outsold Microsoft office products on the shelf. But as people learned in the '90s, it was bundling that was key. Microsoft, again, not only bundled for free, but paid "rebates" to keep partners from shipping competitors products.
Ballmer, (who was deemed smarter than Gates when he was appointed to the CEO position) has really just rested on his laurels, focused on image, and essentially insulted anyone who uses a competitors product, or goes against what Microsoft is pushing.
Ballmer has always lacked tact and business sense.

Funny to see again how Microsoft and Apple are the exact same.
Actually, I'd argue that Jobs was a real "whiz kid" himself, and listened to those around him that were smarter. Gates did not.

Although Google has been the "new Microsoft" since the very late '90s. But that's another story.
 
I was just pointing out that if you install more than 4GiB, and you run Windows, you need to be running 64-bit versions like Windows Vista and Windows 7 64-bit. Also do not attempt to run the 64-bit versions of Windows XP, major compatibility issues.
Sorry I was giving that footnote to my original post to Fairchild. I wasn't dissing your comments. I do agree.
 
Thanks to everyone who replied to my little thread! As you might imagine, I haven't been able to log on here a lot lately, but I do appreciate all your advice!

I have now decided that I will get Windows 7 64 bit and 8 gig of RAM. I'm also looking at a so called "cooling tower" that has a lot of fans installed, and room for even more.

A friend thinks that I should get the "ASUS Geforce GTX 275" Graphics driver. Has anyone tried it?

(OK, so I'm probably not going to save any money, but screw that!)
 
Some insights, and addressing some misnomers ...

RAM:
For the Socket 1366 mobo I'd look at the DDR3 1600 as a minimum
DRAM timing is more important than synchronized clock. Who cares if it's DDR3 1600 if it's going to take longer to fetch than a similarly priced DDR3 1333 memory set. I've seen this too many times, a lot of vendors pushing high synchronized clocks, and the timing is horrendously slow.

Remember, DRAM access times are very slow themselves, only about 40-50MHz (20-25ns). Synchronized clocks are only good for burst operations. That's why the timing numbers are so high, those are the cycles the system has to wait. The worse those numbers are, the worse it gets.

Also, I've seen a lot of manufacturers quote timing number for a slower clock, and then advertise with a higher clock. So the timing is far worse at the higher clock, let alone may not work at the stock 1.5V voltage for DDR3.

Video:
DVI or HDMI only and I'd make sure the card I got was SLI. I'd get one that interfaced with either PCI Express 2.0 x16 or PCI Express 2.1 x16
It's fine to buy a card with SLI, but I haven't used SLI myself (sans back in the old Voodoo2 days). The funny thing about SLI is that for lower-end SLI cards, you can typically buy a single card that is faster for the same, or less money, let alone power. And for the highest-end SLI card, it gets really expensive and power hungry, and might be better just to wait a year.

Power Supply:
Minimum 700W or higher. If you are planning on running dual SLI video cards then I suggest getting in the 900W realm.
Assuming one is going SLI.

CD / DVD Burners:
Stick with the SATA drives only. Not only are they faster than the IDE type
This is a falicy. Parallel ATAPI drives aren't any slower than Serial ATAPI drives. In fact, many Serial ATAPI drives are still actually Parallel ATAPI drives with an ATA-6 to SATA-150 bridge inside, because of old stock. Only SATA-300 ATAPI drives are native, and even then, an optical ATAPI drive is still much, much slower than even old parallel buses.

but the IDE is old technology
Parallel and Serial ATA are the exact same technology above the PHY-level. Only the PHY changes, and how the ASIC works. Granted, most newer ATA technologies (NCQ, etc...) haven't been put into parallel ATA, but most of those aren't found in even SATA-300 optical ATAPI drives either. So whether its Parallel or Serial ATAPI, they are virtually the exact same performance when it comes to optical ATAPI.

and you have to deal with thos wide ass ribbon cables. Whereas the SATA cables are significantly thinner which helps your air flow inside the computer. This in turns in helping you keep your system cooler which gives your system longer life.
SATA cabling can have it's own issues, including breaking the connector. Some vendors have learned from this. Others have not. The key is to find a vendor who has good cables that lock around a post, and devices that offer a good post. I wouldn't mention this except I've lost connectors as a result of shipping, and I've seen PC OEMs have theirs trashed in shipment as well (even when support-glued well).

The main thing SATA often offers over ATA is that most ATA is connected to a legacy LPC ASIC, so it shares the same bus as all other legacy LPC components. Most SATA controllers are connected to either a PCIe channel or two or four (Intel) or directly on the systems HyperTransport interconnect (AMD). But in the case of ATAPI, it's so slow, it really doesn't make that much difference. Hard drives are another story.

With that all said, I still buy SATA ATAPI devices, because they are no additional cost. The LG SuperMulti's do everything, and cost $20. They even have the new LG BluRay/HD DVD + SuperMultis that are under $100.

Fan/Heatsink:
Needed to cool your processor. I personally like the direct cooling where the fan points directly to the processor but they do offer indirect cooling as well.
The BTX form-factor actually addressed this, as well as "flipping" the orientation of the mainboard so the cards are "upward," improving cooling. Unfortunately BTX became PC OEM-only, as consumers wouldn't accept it.

I like "flipped" ATX designs where they do the same. Not quite as good as BTX (CPU cooling is better, the GPU is the "top card"), but they help in this regard. But most of them are costly. Of course, if you're dropping $800 on a pair of highest-end SLI video cards, might be worth it.

Hard Drive:
Western Digital, Seagate or even Hitachi. Stay away from Maxtor drives, they are typically pieces of junk.
Maxtor = Seagate!!!
This is why brand name means shit. You have to take it on a specific model (and even sub-lot) basis. Hit reviews and then check back. Do you know how many times different vendors fab for others? Same deal in the mainboard world too. ;)

The drives come in different interface styles. IDE, SATA, SAS and SCSI. Whatever your choice stay away from the old IDE interface. Again it's slow and outdated.
It's not slow, ATA drives are just starting to hit the limits of ATA-6/133MBps. The bigger issue is how the ATA controllers are often implemented on systems, connected to the legacy LPC. SATA is better because it is often a dedicated channel. SATA also offers NCQ and other things that could be implemented in ATA, but are rarely.

I haven't seen a SATA-150 in a long time, so no need to worry about those. They were almost always a ATA-6/133MBps ATA drive with a SATA-150 bridge. Everything today should be native SATA-300. A few are pushing SATA-600, but that requires twisted pair cabling (which the vendor doesn't tell you about).

SAS is just SATA, with SCSI-2 protocol added (and backward compatible with SATA, long story). Most SAS drives are typically implemented in 2.5" at 15Krpm, some 10Krpm. SCSI ... haven't done that in 5 years, not with SAS around. The only advantage to SAS is that it was designed for external, 27' cabling and has strict standards. eSATA is a hack (not in the original spec) with different, non-standards and doesn't go much beyond 5', if it works (been there, failed that).
 
Sorry I was giving that footnote to my original post to Fairchild. I wasn't dissing your comments. I do agree.
Oh, no problem. I just wanted to point out a clarification. It's all good.

We all just have to remember that Windows isn't the only OS out there, even if it's the only OS under consideration. Statements that are Windows-specific, without the Windows note, tend to make people believe there are limitations in the PC that don't actually exist.

It's one of my anal pet peeves, not that anyone was wrong. Hence why I made a clarification. It really comes up regularly in my work, and I have to break down an assumption by the great majority of people, because Windows isn't always used.
 
OK, here's the setup I'm kind of leaning towards:


Processor: Intel Core i7 i7-860 / 2.8 GHz

MOBO: ASUS Maximus III Formula Republic of Gamers Series - ATX - iP55

Microsoft Windows 7, Ultimate, 64-bit Eng OEM Win

Intel X25-M G2 80GB

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 - hårddisk - 1 TB - SATA-300

GPU: Sapphire RADEON HD 5850

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two

PSU: Corsair TX650W

LG CH08LS10 Super Multi Blue - DVD±RW (±R DL) / DVD-RAM / BD-ROM enhet - Serial ATA

2 x Kingston ValueRAM- 4 GB


Turns out I'll be spending through my nose, but what the heck.

Any thoughts?
 
Anyways, yesterday evening my trusted old computer went ahead and drew it's very last breath, and so I am now using a friends computer.

I like this sentence.
 
I think you'll find that a lot of people on this board are actually very creative, language-wise.

Anyway, do you like Edgar Allan Poe? Or Arthur C Clarke? Those two are true smiths of words!
 
I think you'll find that a lot of people on this board are actually very creative, language-wise.

Anyway, do you like Edgar Allan Poe? Or Arthur C Clarke? Those two are true smiths of words!

I haven't been very lucky with opportunities of reading English literature. Now that you mention them I will definitely try and read them. I recently finished "The Gun Seller" by Hugh Laurie (aka Dr. House). He was a magician of words in that novel. I wonder why didn't he write more.
 
I haven't been very lucky with opportunities of reading English literature. Now that you mention them I will definitely try and read them. I recently finished "The Gun Seller" by Hugh Laurie (aka Dr. House). He was a magician of words in that novel. I wonder why didn't he write more.

Hugh Laurie wrote a book? I did not even know that. I will have to look in to that!
 
buying a brand pc removes the fun and satisfaction you get after having spent several hours setting up the pc, and configuring it. (maybe this is the geek in me talking)
you also get ripped off - by at least 200/300 pounds more than you should
 
OK, here's what I'm thinking now:


Processor: Intel Core i7 930 / 2.8 GHz

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 1.0) - moderkort - ATX - iX58

Microsoft Windows 7, Ultimate, 64-bit Eng OEM Win

Intel X25-M G2 80GB

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 - hårddisk - 1 TB - SATA-300

GPU: Sapphire RADEON HD 5850

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two

PSU: Corsair TX650W

LG CH08LS10 Super Multi Blue - DVD±RW (±R DL) / DVD-RAM / BD-ROM enhet - Serial ATA

2 x Corsair Value Select minne - 4 GB ( 2 x 2 GB ) - DIMM 240-pin - DDR3


My original budget is completely out the window now. It´s actually almost doubled.
Oh well, money is just paper, right?

What do you guys think?
 
Hugh Laurie wrote a book? I did not even know that. I will have to look in to that!

He wrote only one book unlike his long-time friend and co-actor, Stephen Fry, who has written several books. I wonder why didn't Mr. Laurie write more. I admire him more as an author than as an actor.
 
Stephen Fry wrote books too? Guess I have some reading to do!

In the specs above, I changed the RAM:

Corsair XMS3 minne - 8 GB ( 4 x 2 GB ) - DIMM 240-pin - DDR3
 
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