Bridget Jenner: " I am a Republican and a Christian"

[bobjustbob]

And talking about being a hypocrite? Defending LBGT churches while you think churches are evil. Crying for those thrown out while laughing at them because they believe in the invisible man. Okay, maybe not hypocrite. How about confused or inconsistent.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

He wants to be Carly Florina.

 

[Johan]

RINO? I'd have to challenge that label. My political conservatisms starts with government staying out of our personal lives. My social conservatism is my own business. Pushing my social values onto others through legislation would be politically hypocritical.

I don't say you're a RINO, I say some hardcore right-winger would consider you a RINO.
'cause these hardcore right-wingers treat true Republicans the way radical muslims treat moderate muslims : to them they are not real republicans/muslims.

 

[bobjustbob]

I don't say you're a RINO, I say some hardcore right-winger would consider you a RINO.
'cause these hardcore right-wingers treat true Republicans the way radical muslims treat moderate muslims : to them they are not real republicans/muslims.

Forgive me if you got that impression and I'm glad that you brought that up. I bring up Christie again. The Tea Party HATES him because he is not in lockstep with them and makes that public. They say that his economical development and education funding is making government bigger. This couldn't be any more wrong. That development money brings in businesses and the education money is not a government agency.

The Meadowlands racetrack was managed by the state. Although it is the highest betting outlet in harness racing, the downturn in the industry had been sucking money out of the state for decades. Christie said no more, told the industry run the place on their dime. That sure pissed off a lot of people. Although many people are supported by the horse business and keeps a lot of land as pastural, racehorses are rich people's play toys so no more welfare for them.

These Tea Partiers really have their foothold at the local levels. Why should a republican candidate for small town mayor have to take a stand about abortion and immigration? Good people aren't going to run if they have to answer to that bullshit. Then again, the job of most politicians is to get reelected.

 

[MMMariah]

So I'm a hypocrite because I think its fucked up that people can't believe in bullshit that straight people do because they are gay? WRONG. I have said it a hundred times here before and I'll say it again for you bob,,,because maybe the years of smelling horseshit have clogged your brain. I DONT CARE WHO BELIEVES IN WHAT AS LONG AS THEY DONT IMPOSE IT ON ME BY WAY OF LEGISLATION AND KEEP RELIGION THE FUCK OUT OF POLITICS. I have family who believe in god. I have friends who do also. If they were called names and were threatened because of it I would feel the same way.

My point was that it's the fucking hypocritical christians who are the fucking ones judging and threatening people because they are gay. I seriously think you read the first sentence of things and then hit reply without reading the rest. You rarely get a quote correct and almost always take things out of context.

 

[bobjustbob]

You have written many more things about organized religions than what you stated above. You chastise the participants. You couple organized religion with corruption and greed. You never defend anything they do to justify their existence. Yet, you justify these same institutions to form because they are under gay formation. Are you concerned about this kind of corruption and greed in the LBGT community? Make your case that LBGT faith worship is detrimental to them at their next function.

 

[MMMariah]

Dude what is wrong with you? I have written a lot but it always comes down to the same thing: believe whatever you want, no matter how ridiculous just keep it to yourself. I have never deviated from that. NEVER. Show me where I have please.

Churches are by definition corrupt. They dont have to pay taxes even on commercial property they own.

They do a lot of good charity work, which I have stated but you're only as strong as your weakest link. If the catholic church protects ONE man who raped a child I dont give a flying fuck what else they do. But they have protected a LOT more than one child rapist though haven't they? How about the evangelicals who stand in front of thousands of people, many of them very poor and tell them that their #1 expense every month should be the collection plate to get out of poverty like Jerry Falwell has done for decades while he wears designer suits owns an airplane and has many houses?

If people claim to live by the teachings of jesus I find it troubling that they aren't disowned by the rest of the religious people publicly. People like Pat Robertson who spew his bigoted crap on tv about people he calls "freaks of nature" and "nothing more than animals"

Again bob, i chastise participants who push it on others, or want their beliefs imposed on people who don't agree with it in the ways of laws. I think its ridiculous that grown intelligent people believe in something so ridiculous but that's their right to do so. LGBT people don't discuss religion at any event I have ever been to (which is about a dozen that I can think of. How many have YOU been to?) other than to point out how they are being discriminated against by religion and religious people. I am happy they have a church to go to where they are welcome, but sadly the straight christians don't think they should have that right either and threaten them with violence, call them names and protest in front of their churches.

I think you need some estrogen therapy or something dude. it's like you're a menopausal woman lately. Go get some pussy or something dude for real.

 

[bobjustbob]

You are still inconsistent and talking out of both sides of your mouth. An institution that you despise. Total disdain for the participants. And you are happy that the LBGT community has these institutions and participants.

 

[MMMariah]

For fuck's sake bob. I dont think ANYONE should be threatened with violence or called hateful names simply for who they are attracted to!!!!!!!!! Whether it's bungee jumping, having an easter egg hunt, going to the horse track or fucking church. You are caught up in the bullshit and spinning this away from the point. Do I think church and religion is ridiculous? YES!!!!!!!!! DO I think people should have the right to believe it? YES!!!!!!!!! Do I think that its fucked up that people in the millions claiming to be christians want to be prejudice against gays who want to attend church? YES!!!!!!!

I think that horse tracks are filled with degenerates but does that mean YOU are a degenerate? no. Do I think that you should be threatened with violence and called names and harassed for going to gamble on horses? NO!!!!!!!!!! If you're a fucking christian for real, then you wouldn't give a shit who loves who. You'd mind your fucking business and make your life better and do things for people less fortunate, not spread hate and incite anger and bigotry.

I know this is a lot for you to conprehend since you don't really read anything other than a few words in each sentence, but I think my point is pretty fucking clear dude.

 

[MMMariah]

and when did I say I have "total disdain for the participants" who attend church. I have total disdain for religion, and religious people who push their agenda on others. Big difference than what you are saying about how I see it.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Less than 2 percent of the American population is gay. Hardly a reason to redefine the institution of marriage as we know it, whether it has a success rate of 50% or not. The line of questions in the SCOTUS right now and especially by swing vote Anthony Kennedy do not bode well for same sex marriage advocates. Reading the tea leaves from the conservatives on the court and especially Kennedy the swing vote, same sex marriage will probably not be upheld.

 

[xfire]

Hooray for Bruce, even for admitting he's a Republican, which must have been much harder than admitting he's a woman.

 

[bobjustbob]

By your reasoning all churches including LBGT should be outlawed. Plus the participants are even more foolish because they are participating in institutions that don't want them. You are either confused or don't want to admit that you are using double standards. Now go ahead and tell us how LBGT faith institutions are any less corrupt or money grabbing than others. Tell us how they aren't using the same mind control tactics. Tell me how LBGT churches don't equally try to spread their beliefs and agendas to others. You won't because it might offend gay people.

 

[Straight Shooter]

I don't really get too worked up on the issue of gay marriage because I believe that it will become more and more acceptable as the years go on. Americans right now overwhelmingly support gay marriage, the last poll I saw had it at 58%. Young people support it and most importantly 61% of young Republicans support gay marriage. Not to sound too morbid but we just need to wait for the older generation to die off

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/10/61-of-young-republicans-favor-same-sex-marriage/

 

[Jagger69]

Less than 2 percent of the American population is gay. Hardly a reason to redefine the institution of marriage as we know it, whether it has a success rate of 50% or not. The line of questions in the SCOTUS right now and especially by swing vote Anthony Kennedy do not bode well for same sex marriage advocates. Reading the tea leaves from the conservatives on the court and especially Kennedy the swing vote, same sex marriage will probably not be upheld.

Explain to me legally how the fact that they represent a small minority translates to mean they shouldn't be entitled the same rights and privileges as the rest of American citizens are? Just another example of the conservative political philosophy being one of exclusion and not inclusion. How in the hell does granting gays and lesbians the right to marry infringe on your rights or serve to your disadvantage in any way? I really don't understand why conservatives feel compelled to deny others their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I also am not sure exactly what tea leaves you are reading but everything that I read says that Kennedy is conflicted over the issue and could vote either way. In fact, his history of writing opinions favoring the rights of the LGBT community might even be an indicator that he will vote with his more liberal colleagues on the court.

In two and a half hours of arguments over whether the Constitution guarantees same-sex couples the right to marry, Justice Kennedy sent conflicting signals. At some points, he seemed wary of moving too fast and torn about what to do. But his demeanor was more emotional and emphatic when he made the case that same-sex couples should be permitted to marry. He is also the author of three landmark opinions expanding the rights of gay Americans.

From this article in the New York Times last week:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=0

 

[bobjustbob]

I think that horse tracks are filled with degenerates but does that mean YOU are a degenerate? no. Do I think that you should be threatened with violence and called names and harassed for going to gamble on horses? NO!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for that. While I'm waiting to cash tickets on the Derby ( I had the Woodford and used the field in the Derby) I'll comment on this. Odds on that at any given day at any track or OTB, the place will be filled with 100% degenerates. This was written in the dead sea scrolls. If I am there than chances are that I am a degenerate. If you ask anyone there then they may very well believe the same thing. Demographics: 97% are men. When you have that kind of crowd then there isn't much to be said about those other 3%. You know what? I'd like to see a Gay Day at a track. Have a LBGT group set up an outing with promotions and things to do and see at the track. Hell yea, I'd go. Set up tents with food and beverage and activities. Bring the kids. It can't be wrong. The more the merrier.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Explain to me legally how the fact that they represent a small minority translates to mean they shouldn't be entitled the same rights and privileges as the rest of American citizens are? Just another example of the conservative political philosophy being one of exclusion and not inclusion. How in the hell does granting gays and lesbians the right to marry infringe on your rights or serve to your disadvantage in any way? I really don't understand why conservatives feel compelled to deny others their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I also am not sure exactly what tea leaves you are reading but everything that I read says that Kennedy is conflicted over the issue and could vote either way. In fact, his history of writing opinions favoring the rights of the LGBT community might even be an indicator that he will vote with his more liberal colleagues on the court.



From this article in the New York Times last week:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=0

For your sake and your emotional well being they need to find in favor of it. You seem to have so much emotion invested in them finding in favor of same sex marriage that if they don't, this may be the issue that sends the of sound mind jagger into a fit of rage. Do you think same sex relationships are completely natural? Because no matter how many same sex marriages take place in the future, any procreation of human life within those parameters will require male AND female participation of some sort at the same time. You obviously haven't been paying close attention to Kennedy's questioning and are only reading those leaves that you want to read.

Speaking of inclusion, a small minority of the population are allowed to score lower on college entrance exams (to name just one instance) in an effort to level the playing field and all it does is diminish those that can meet a reasonable requirement. Moreover, it sends a message that we believe that because of your skin color, that you inherently are inferior intellectually to enter a institution of higher learning and excel and must need a jump start.. That in itself tramples on the rights of those that may be more deserving of attending an institution and it most certainly diminishes the accomplishments of those minorities that can breeze through exams and courses without a lowering of the standards. Sometimes exclusion is a good thing, especially when it comes to the fabric of our society. Liberal philosophy has resulted in the throwing away of trillions of dollars in the war against poverty, yet it still exists and here's a news flash, it always will.

Same sex marriage is an attempt for a lifestyle to validated by society at the expense of tearing down an institution and redefining it. Are there any instances in Jagger's kumbaya world that would require exclusion? Should the poor homeless guy in your neighborhood be able to walk into your house and just start eating? What about the miniscule minority of citizens that want to marry multiple partners? For christ sake! These people are living breathing human beings and Jebediah loves those 15 women and those 15 women love him! How dare they not be inclusive and let all that love, happiness and marital bliss take place! The nerve and total disregard they have for them. Quite frankly I am appalled at the lack of inclusion, I know you will join me in my outrage, won't you?

 

[bobjustbob]

BC, we've come a long way since bibles have been written. Marrying someone out of your sect or religion or color or nationality hasn't proven to reduce our society to ruin thus far. Homosexuality isn't a disease to be eradicated. Sure there is no reproduction between homosexual couples. Is that a reason for them to not share in the privileges given to man-woman marriages? Let's face it, the marriage is a contract for laws and shit like that. The sacred sacraments have already been reduced to clauses in per-nups. Mind you, I'm of the upbringing of traditional marriage. I think that's best of all. But I have also been in the bad marriage situation and strongly advise not getting engaged into one unless willing to commit till death. Having mom and dad for junior doesn't guarantee anything. Sure it helps but sometimes it only takes one good parent to do the job. Single parents CAN step up to the plate when the other mate is not there. And I'm not just talking about estranged parents, some of them are jailed or dead.

Okay, back to the traditional family. Mom or dad or both can be fucked up. Junior has to grow up with turmoil in the house. Very, very common. Gay couples don't have kids because it's the right thing to do when one gets pregnant by accident. How will Junior deal with having 2 moms or dads? That's not up to you or me. It's their family and let them deal with those issues on their own.

 

[Jack Davenport]

BC, we've come a long way since bibles have been written. Marrying someone out of your sect or religion or color or nationality hasn't proven to reduce our society to ruin thus far. Homosexuality isn't a disease to be eradicated. Sure there is no reproduction between homosexual couples. Is that a reason for them to not share in the privileges given to man-woman marriages? Let's face it, the marriage is a contract for laws and shit like that. The sacred sacraments have already been reduced to clauses in per-nups. Mind you, I'm of the upbringing of traditional marriage. I think that's best of all. But I have also been in the bad marriage situation and strongly not getting engaged in one unless willing to commit till death. Having mom and dad for junior doesn't guarantee anything. Sure it helps but sometimes it only takes one good parent to do the job. Single parents CAN step up to the plate when the other mate is not there. And I'm not just talking about estranged parents, some of them are jailed or dead.

Okay, back to the traditional family. Mom or dad or both can both be fucked up. Junior has to grow up with turmoil in the house. Very, very common. Gay couples don't have kids because it's the right thing to do when one gets pregnant by accident. How will Junior deal with having 2 moms or dads? That's not up to you or me. It's their family and let them deal with those issues on their own.

Bob those are all good points, what I have a problem with is are those people that complain about inclusion or exclusion and citing a particular party or ideology that is to blame when those same people had leaders in their own party that were against same sex marriage( Obama, the Clintons) just a short time ago. Where were those cries of inclusion then?

Liberals only want to paint conservatives as archaic and living in the dark ages while their experimentation and social engineering knows no bounds.

 

[bobjustbob]

Liberals only want to paint conservatives as archaic and living in the dark ages while their experimentation and social engineering knows no bounds.

DING! Liberals can't stand when their leaders start shifting to the right. Clinton eliminating lifetime welfare, Obama replacing boots with drones. It makes their heads spin out of control. They even changed their name from Liberal to Progressive.