Border Wall

[ChuckFaze]

Actually it needs rotating electric spikes with screw-like threads AND rotating beautiful concertina wire on top. :yesyes:

 

[Straight Shooter]

So is it a border wall or a fence? Or steel slats? Or border security? Or barriers? It changes everyday

#StraightShooter

 

[Johan]

Border closure could cost billions


Closing the U.S. border with Mexico, which President Trump threatened to do in a Friday tweet if Democrats do not approve funding for his wall, could cost the economy billions of dollars, say analysts who have studied the issue.
“It would affect the U.S. economy massively and very negatively,” said Chris Wilson, deputy director at The Wilson Center’s Mexico Institute, and the co-author of a study on the border economy.
“There’s about a billion dollars of commerce that crosses the border every single day, so every day it’s closed we’re losing out on hundreds of millions of dollars,” he added.

Trump threatened to close down the border as part of a broader fight with Democrats over building a border wall and funding the government.
“We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with,” Trump wrote in the Friday tweet.
Trump is demanding $5 billion to fund his wall in order to reopen the government, while Democrats say they will only support legislation that includes $1.6 for border security, including $1.3 billion for fencing.

Mexico is America's third largest trade partner, and the two economies are deeply intertwined, with $558 billion in goods crossing the border in two-way trade last year alone. The Commerce Department estimated that in 2015, nearly 100,000 American jobs were supported by goods trade with Mexico.

If the border were to be shut down, experts say, the consequences would be immediate.
“The first thing you’d start to see is a spike in car prices and factories in trouble,” said Richard Miles, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies’ Americas program.
A huge proportion of American trade with Mexico deals in parts, so shutting the border would immediately throw a wrench into the auto supply chain, as well as other manufacturing.

Another major casualty would be agriculture, which would hit farm states already facing a squeeze from a trade war with China.
Miles noted that corn and soybean exports to Mexico are big business for farmers in Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Illinois and Indiana.
American consumers would see the difference at the supermarket, said Wilson.
Many foods such as avocados, tomatoes, lettuce, celery and a variety of berries come to the United State by way of Mexico.

“It’s winter, so we don’t produce a whole lot of fruits and vegetables in the United States. By and large we depend on Mexico to supply our grocery stores in the winter,” said Wilson, who estimated that some 70 percent of that produce comes into the U.S. by truck.

Some of the states that would be the hardest hit by a border closure backed Trump in 2016.
Mexico comprised over 23 percent of imports for states such as Arizona, Michigan, Texas and Utah, which all went for Trump. Texas, Arizona, and South Dakota, all red states, each sent over a quarter of their exports to Mexico last year.

Border states would feel the brunt of the pain.
In September, nearly 8 million vehicles and 15 million passengers crossed the U.S.-Mexico border legally, according to data from the Department of Transportation.
“There are almost a million legal crossings every single day. In Tijuana alone, it’s like 50,000 vehicles and 25,000 pedestrians. That’s day laborers, nannies, landscapers coming in, and the other way around. It’s services like architects to engineers to high-skilled labor,” said Miles.

Around Thanksgiving this year, the government closed down the San Ysidro border crossing between San Diego and Tijuana for six hours, citing concern about migrants trying to rush the border.
The San Ysidro Chamber of Commerce estimated that those six hours led to an estimated $5.3 million in losses for the local economy alone.
“People depend on a functioning U.S.-Mexico border as part of their day-to-day life, in a way that few in Washington understand,” said Wilson.

Even something short of a full shutdown, such as increasing vehicle checks or otherwise slowing crossings, could be a major economic drag.
In the aftermath of 9/11, the government decided to inspect every vehicle for several, causing lines for kilometers and dramatically reducing crossings, and leaving car manufacturers and other industrialists short on supplies.

But the current situation along the border, says Wilson, provides no security justification for closing the border completely.
“I think that it would be economically dangerous. The only reason to do it is if you have a massive national security imperative to do it. In the aftermath of 9/11 that may have made sense, but people fleeing violence in Central America is just not the national security crisis at the border that would justify,” he said.

Trump previously threatened to shutter the border in October, ahead of the November midterm elections, as he devoted significant attention to a caravan of Central American refugees and migrants headed toward the United States.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/423150-border-closure-could-cost-billions

 

[sean miguel]

 

[Luxman]

That image is not accurate because there is no wall on or near the US-Mexico border.

 

[Jack Davenport]

That image is not accurate because there is no wall on or near the US-Mexico border.

That’s a fence and there is indeed fencing at parts of the U.S. southern border. But it was drawn to distinguish a border not to be taken literally. Essentially you are saying that the other two points are accurate.

Duly noted.

 

[Luxman]

That’s a fence and there is indeed fencing at parts of the U.S. southern border. But it was drawn to distinguish a border not to be taken literally. Essentially you are saying that the other two points are accurate.

Duly noted.

Yes, and 2+2=5 ....

 

[Jack Davenport]

Yes, and 2+2=5 ....

That’s it? That’s all you got?

 

[ChuckFaze]

That's a freakin' awesome pic there at #304, sean miguel. :coolthumb: artysml:

In a LOT of cases though, the family separation happens from the get go in their own countries when they voluntarily, by design leave part of their families in the alleged danger-riddled countries. Then when the k i d that they did bring along to generate sympathy gets taken away, THEN they cry family separation. Yet they were not going to have any qualms about not seeing the family back home for months or years.

 

[Straight Shooter]

So is it a border wall or a fence? Or steel slats? Or border security? Or barriers? It changes everyday

#StraightShooter

 

[Torre82]

Summary:
Hillary isnt in prison. Email scandal is twice as bad with daughterTrump...
No wall, thinks of Israeli wall as a good example. We dont have suicide bombers, tho...
Obama hater: MUH GUNZZ! TRUMP MAGAAAAA!! *bans bump stocks, actually takes some guns*
Obamacare: Still going. Different name.
NatSocs who dont know what it means: OMG YUUUHHHH! TRUMP IS SO GRATE OMFGZZZZ!
Redpilled NatSoc's: Well... someone has to be a figurehead to the seething masses of dumbasses. But this guy isnt sticking to his promises.
Lil ol yiddish me: Well, at least someone is giving us undue credit for Trump's failures and lack of competent cabinet. Still credit.
Soo... YEAH! TAKE THAT, GOY!

 

[Jack Davenport]

Summary:
Hillary isnt in prison. Email scandal is twice as bad with daughterTrump...
No wall, thinks of Israeli wall as a good example. We dont have suicide bombers, tho...
Obama hater: MUH GUNZZ! TRUMP MAGAAAAA!! *bans bump stocks, actually takes some guns*
Obamacare: Still going. Different name.
NatSocs who dont know what it means: OMG YUUUHHHH! TRUMP IS SO GRATE OMFGZZZZ!
Redpilled NatSoc's: Well... someone has to be a figurehead to the seething masses of dumbasses. But this guy isnt sticking to his promises.
Lil ol yiddish me: Well, at least someone is giving us undue credit for Trump's failures and lack of competent cabinet. Still credit.
Soo... YEAH! TAKE THAT, GOY!

Did Ivanka use a private server in her home and as the nation’s top diplomat?
Obamacare still going: Not Trump’s fault he tried to repeal and replace. Thank dead RINO’s like John McCain for that.
Bump stock ban: Hmm Not real happy with it, but then again there is very little difference in the effect of slide fire/bump stocks and a fully auto rifle.
Obama DOJ didn’t ban for sinister reasons. That being, maybe a nut job will use one in a mass shooting. Never let a crisis go to waste ya know.

Lack of competent cabinet: Mike Pompeo isn’t competent? Elaine Chao? Ben Carson? Oh yeah, he’s an Uncle Tom race traitor.
Goyim? Really?

 

[Supafly]

The Apprntice, White House Edition: Border Hostages

That old horse doesn't learn new tricks, amd the old ones just don't work. Reality is not Reality TV, and the Prez looks worse each day.

 

[sean miguel]

If the wall is ineffective, then what does it matter if it's moral or not? It's a moot point. It's morality would only be relevant if the wall is effective.

 

[Straight Shooter]

'To be honest, it's not a wall': John Kelly admits Trump administration gave up on concrete barrier months ago as he defends his time in the 'bone-crushing hard job' of chief of staff

Outgoing Chief of Staff John Kelly admitted the White House gave up on building a concrete border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border 'early on' in President Donald Trump's administration but said some 'fencing' was necessary.

'To be honest, it's not a wall,' he told the Los Angeles Times in a long interview defending his rocky tenure atop Trump's White House.

'The president still says 'wall' - oftentimes frankly he'll say 'barrier' or 'fencing,' now he's tended toward steel slats. But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration, when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it,' he said.

Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general, originally joined Trump's administration as Homeland Security Secretary, where he oversaw immigration policy and worked with border agents.

He said he heard from Customs and Border Protection agents that they needed a barrier at certain spots on the almost 2,000 mile border.

'They said, 'Well we need a physical barrier in certain places, we need technology across the board, and we need more people,' Kelly noted in the interview.

The government is entering day nine of a partial government shut down with negotiations at a stand still.

Trump has refused to accept a bill that does not include at least $2.5 billion for the border wall - down from his original demand of $5 billion - but Democrats have said they will not go above $1.3 billion they have already offered.

The president has pushed blame on the Democrats.

'I am in the White House waiting for the Democrats to come on over and make a deal on Border Security. From what I hear, they are spending so much time on Presidential Harassment that they have little time left for things like stopping crime and our military!,' he tweeted on Saturday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tration-gave-concrete-barrier-months-ago.html

 

[georges]

Trump Prods Dems To ‘Come On Over’ as Shutdown Continues
https://www.westernjournal.com/trum...tm_content=2018-12-29&utm_campaign=manualpost

House Dems To Introduce 5-Week Funding Plan To End Government Shutdown
https://www.westernjournal.com/hous...&ff_campaign=manualpost&ff_content=2018-12-29

 

[Luxman]

Why didn't Trump ask congress for the $5 billion before the Nov. 2018 elections when Republicans had a majority in congress ?????

 

[Torre82]

I shall argue semantics between the results of one politician and another, and fully accept that noone does anything! But on a scale of 1 to 10, I find this current human less offensive!

The government(s) has hundreds of agencies and thousands of "departments", still active even during the "shutdown", and bajillions in revenue every year. President defenders should not be worried about anything because our government is going nowhere and never has to worry about their agenda being pushed, regardless of the party/race/president/cabinet. Just see that this guy is a superficially different version of all the previous guys.

What one SHOULD be worried about is whether or not the government gives a thought about you. How they intend to control you in the future in a cashless society, how they want to know everything that is 'Jack Davenport' and micromanage you like they play the Sims. I might remind you: they care about control over the masses, the economy, the narrative, everything. And when they have no need for you, they'll cut your strings right off and let you starve out in the cold without mercy or remorse because you were just another person, regardless of if you support the current administration.

So, I guess sure. Defend a president/cabinet/government that is not defending you. This isnt a defense of H.R.C. or B. Obama, this is the fact that regardless of our beliefs, we are as expendable and uncared-for as anyone. For instance, those locked up for petty offenses. Or the homeless who were cut off unemployment benefits. Tell that to the diehard America-loving folks who expatriate themselves in a fit of good sense.
It is a melting pot of partisan/agenda lies that the pubic is swallowing without a glass of water... because it isnt coming from a black guy or a bush family member ~ they take the bait that is the exact same as the last bunch of assholes. :\

Or, TL;DR ~ I think I should fap to some deep fake celebrities. Yeah..

 

[georges]

Trump Uses Obama’s Own Home Against Him in Brilliant Border Wall Argument
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/t...tm_content=2018-12-31&utm_campaign=manualpost

GOP Rep Perfectly Explains Why Democrats Are So Eager To Have Open Borders
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/g...&ff_campaign=manualpost&ff_content=2018-12-31

Outgoing Chief of Staff Downplays ‘Wall’ Talk, Says Trump Considering Something Different
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/o...&ff_campaign=manualpost&ff_content=2018-12-31

Retiring Democrat Says Colleagues Should Pay Immigration ‘Ransom’ to Republicans
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/r...&ff_campaign=manualpost&ff_content=2018-12-31

Former ICE Chief Teaches Nancy Pelosi Lesson in Why Border Wall Will Really Work
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/f...&ff_campaign=manualpost&ff_content=2018-12-31

 

[RJS13]

So we have all seen various engineered prototypes of the wall but whatever wall is chosen I think it still needs to be wrapped in Constatina Wire. You can never be too sure with those crafty bastards.