Biggest U.S. Presidential Scandal?

Biggest Presidential Scandal?


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Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
I voted for the old codger and the MILF. I ain't stupid, bah Gawd! Still the least bad. Biden wasn't exactly Ben Franklin in the VP Debate with Palin.

Biden is an admitted Zionist. I voted for the Constitution Party.







Actually, it's OrangeDirk ......

Whatever. :facepalm: I don't have time for your clown troll act. :clown::yahoo:
 

Jon S.

Banned
I agree with everything else you said;but I think that-despite the face that it wasn't a scandal per say- the American public seeing their President's head get blown off in an open car in broad daylight stole their innocence.

True enough.....I totally agree with you there. Though I didn't word it as good as I could have, I actually meant that the American people lost their innocence because of Watergate from the perspective of the American people believing what their government and elected officials told them. I believe the vast majority of people did up to that point, and I'd argue the vast majority have not ever since.

But yeah, the tragic events in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and the murder of President Kennedy is definitely the defining modern event that literally stole America's innocence.....especially since it took place in the television age....because seeing all of the images on television certainly drove the fact of what happened home to all of America. I believe that, and the murders that followed (Martin Luther King Jr., Robert Kennedy, amongst others), along with the escalation of the Vietnam War, are what led to the rise of the counter culture that followed.

Now, Kennedy's murder did spark the civil rights movement being fast tracked by President Johnson as a tribute to Kennedy.....and I believe much that happened in the mid-60's wouldn't have happened until the mid-70's in all likelihood had Johnson not become the President the way he did.......But, if Kennedy hadn't been murdered, who knows what the country would look like today.....though I suspect it would look a far sight different than it does. Watergate would never have even happened, because Nixon would have never been elected President in all likelihood......and he was only elected in '68 because Johnson decided not to run & the Democratic Party was fragmated by the War in Vietnam......which in and of itself fucked more than it's share of young men & women in this country.

So yeah, the fact that President Kennedy was murdered, and the images and all......along with the events that I believe stemmed from that, definitely stole our innocence forever.
 

Jon S.

Banned
Whatever. :facepalm: I don't have time for your clown troll act. :clown::yahoo:

You know, if that were really so, one could easily just disregard things and move on. However, you seemingly go out of your way to respond to each and everything that is posted about you. I couldn't tell you how many times that I've ignored something that you posted.....even if it was directed at me....but believe me, I've ignored you SEVERAL times. I suspect that you have rarely, if ever, disregarded anything that has been posted about you. It seems to me that you have PLENTY of time if you ask me.

It's funny, though hardly coincidental, that much of the troll like activity on the board centers around you (either posted by you......or in response to something ignorant and/or troll like that you posted), but it is abundantly clear to anyone with two eyes that you seem to take perverse pleasure in strirring things up.:2 cents:

Please worm, take what I say to heart and don't respond to this post.....to do so would be FAR too predictable on your part.
 

Jon S.

Banned
They were not tricked they were stupid to begin with. :facepalm:
You do realize that plenty of white people voted for Obama too don't you? When you post youtube videos of black people that are taken out of context, you say more about yourself, and you do serious damage to your credibility (assuming you actually have any on here). :2 cents: Bottom line, yes there were plenty of people who were delusional enough to think that the country would change overnight when Obama was elected, and that douchebag "W" left office, and plenty of them were black......but that doesn't mean that anyone was tricked. For fucks sake, what was the alternative? McCain and the ever pathetic loser (and quitter) Sarah Palin? Does anyone really believe we would be in any better shape if McCain were elected? SERIOUSLY? Granted it would have been a boon for the comedy sector of our economy.....but still!!!!!!!


I've already said before that I wasn't an Obama fan, and since he's taken office, he's done nothing to change my opinion of him......he's not demonstrated anything resembling strong leadership.....and I wish he'd just grow a pair already.......but I did vote for him, and given the two viable options that I was presented with, I'd vote for him again today......doesn't mean that I'm happy with him, because I'm not......it just means that he was the better of the two options.....and he still is. :2 cents:
 
You forgot to include "operation fast and furious" or "gunwalker" in there. I know it's early, but come on! You really think a couple mid level bureucrats would have conceived it and carried it out without approval from people in higher levels? Just how far up does it go?

Plus, nobody died during the Watergate scandal, and regardless of how unpopular George Bush is (because it's all a popularity contest here) and his warrantless wiretapping nobody died from that scandal either, but how many Mexicans (and Border Patrol officers) have been killed directly because of gunwalker weapons? If this were a Republican in the White House (like during Iran-Contra but no Americans died there either), this scandal would be all over the news with reporters wanting to know exactly from how high up was this operation approved, was it at the ATF/FBI director level? Was it at the Attorney General level? Or was it approved by the president himself?
 
You forgot to include "operation fast and furious" or "gunwalker" in there. I know it's early, but come on! You really think a couple mid level bureucrats would have conceived it and carried it out without approval from people in higher levels? Just how far up does it go?

Plus, nobody died during the Watergate scandal, and regardless of how unpopular George Bush is (because it's all a popularity contest here) and his warrantless wiretapping nobody died from that scandal either, but how many Mexicans (and Border Patrol officers) have been killed directly because of gunwalker weapons? If this were a Republican in the White House (like during Iran-Contra but no Americans died there either), this scandal would be all over the news with reporters wanting to know exactly from how high up was this operation approved, was it at the ATF/FBI director level? Was it at the Attorney General level? Or was it approved by the president himself?

I don't think Fast and Furious is really a scandal as much as it's just an operation gone bad
 

Deepcover

Closed Account
Nixon and Watergate. I'd say all of America back in the early 70's was watching the Saturday Night Massacre and boy was it ever a massacre.
 

Jon S.

Banned
They were not tricked they were stupid to begin with.

:facepalm:

You mean like the economically poor dumb & ignorant whites and rednecks who are manipulated into voting Republican through the use of smoke and mirrors (diverting attention from what really matters, playing upon their ignorance, the use of irrational fear, etc.) & thusly vote against their self-interests (especially economically)? :dunno: At least when blacks voted for Obama, or vote Democrat, they ARE at least voting in their own self-interests.....even if they don't get all of what some might have been delusional to believe they would get out of it.


Now, who is REALLY dumb in that whole equation? Hmmmmmmmm? Funny you didn't choose to use any of the numerous ridiculous things that have spewed out of the mouths of the tea baggers. Funny that you only chose to post videos of two black people to bolster your claim that "they were dumb to begin with". Couldn't find any videos of any white people who supported Obama? And you wonder why a number of people have used the "R" word to describe you? Sometimes actions speak volumes. Just sayin'! :2 cents:

There, is that a better response to your post? Do you find this one as humerous as you evidently did my previous one? :dunno:
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
You mean like the economically poor dumb & ignorant whites and rednecks

You have already commented stupidly to my comment. Redneck is out of context and you are white and you're attacking whites? Liberal guilt. :1orglaugh

Just go away while you're behind. :wave:
 

TheOrangeCat

AFK..being taken to the vet to get neutered.
You have already commented stupidly to my comment. Redneck is out of context and you are white and you're attacking whites? Liberal guilt. :1orglaugh

Just go away while you're behind. :wave:

:facepalm: funny joke, Will E Trebus ..... No, wait, it's just Will E now, isn't it :nanner:
 

Jon S.

Banned
You have already commented stupidly to my comment. Redneck is out of context and you are white and you're attacking whites? Liberal guilt. :1orglaugh

Just go away while you're behind. :wave:

Hardly on all counts! Redneck is out of context? Perhaps you'd enlighten me on that one? On 2nd thought, as amusing as I'm sure it would be, I'd rather you didn't.

And it's not "liberal guilt" at all. It's called being fed up with people of my own race who act like absolute fucking morons, in that many of them allow the GOP to exploit their ignorance and basest instincts to further the agenda of a rather small minority....namely the rich, and get them to consistantly vote against their own socio-economic self-interests time and time again. Guilt has nothing to do with it. It's just that I REALLY can't stand people who are fucking idiots....and when people vote against their self-interests & otherwise allow them to be exploited....at their own expense....that's EXACTLY what they are. If anyone with under $1,000,000 (or unless you are a corporation) thinks the GOP genuinely gives a rats ass about them and their issues and/or well-being......then they are truly delusional!:2 cents:

Now, I could hang around here all day and have a battle of the wits with you.....but it's I made a promise to myself some years back, that I'd never attack an unarmed man. :D
 
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