Bernie Sanders' revolution

[mikexmoran]

Could Larry David run instead?

 

[Johan]

What strikes me is that when republicans try to attack Bernie, they just throw the word socialist, trying to paint him as some kind of american Karl Marx or Stalin, they newer speak about specific policies he favors. Because they know his policies (raising the minimum wage, breaking the big banks, free college tuition, higher taxes on the rich, limiting campaign donations, etc.) are backed by majority of americans, including republican voters.

 

[Supafly]

Could Larry David run instead?

I think he would make a great vice president!

 

[mikexmoran]

I think he would make a great vice president!

It would be amusing.

 

[Jack Davenport]

What strikes me is that when republicans try to attack Bernie, they just throw the word socialist, trying to paint him as some kind of american Karl Marx or Stalin, they newer speak about specific policies he favors. Because they know his policies (raising the minimum wage, breaking the big banks, free college tuition, higher taxes on the rich, limiting campaign donations, etc.) are backed by majority of americans, including republican voters.

Raising the minimum wage doesn't break banks. Government mandated wage increases are supposed to be in small increments. They can break small businesses. Seattle's 15 dollar an hour increase has already started to force businesses to close and they haven't even reach the maximum threshold yet.

If 15 dollars an hour is wonderful then raise it to 100 dollars an hour. Guess why they won't do that?

And no, a majority of Republicans do not favor a 15 dollar an hour mandated wage.

Most businesses pay more than the current minimum wage already. The minimum wage had the original intent to make sure that lower end and entry level positions were not being abused by underpaying them. A noble cause. It was not intended to be a mechanism to dictate a wage that the government deems necessary. Government has a dog in this fight because the higher the wage, the more tax money they take in thus growing government even more.

Mind your own fucked up wage scales.

 

[Supafly]

I must compliment you about actual points, of course, you had to finish on your classic (Boobtoucher) note, but you really are doing much better.

 

[Jack Davenport]

I think you and others seem to miss the humor in my and Ace's snide remarks. I had a roommate in college that had Ace's demeanor. He always had a smartassed answer for everything. But good as gold. My car broke down in Charleston SC when I was in college and I called just to ask him for a telephone number to get help getting home and he said " you want me to come and pick you up?" That was 5 hours from Chapel Hill. He drove 5 hours and back and he had classes the next day.

Thanks for making me think about that. I need to give that fucker a call and see how he is doing.

 

[Johan]

Raising the minimum wage doesn't break banks. Government mandated wage increases are supposed to be in small increments. They can break small businesses. Seattle's 15 dollar an hour increase has already started to force businesses to close and they haven't even reach the maximum threshold yet.

I didn't say it would and neither did Bernie, these are just two of his policy proposals.

And no, a majority of Republicans do not favor a 15 dollar an hour mandated wage.

Myth #1: Republican voters oppose a federal minimum-wage increase.

When reporters discuss the federal minimum wage the political context is often oversimplified, implying Republicans largely oppose an increase, while Democrats all support one. But don’t believe this storyline! Polling by Oxfam America and GOP pollster John McLaughlin found that most Republicans (77%) in key battleground states support one or more proposals to increase in the federal minimum wage to $9, $10, $12 or $15 an hour. While most GOP voters support an increase, unfortunately most GOP candidates and members of Congress have yet to catch up. Thankfully, a few GOP candidates – Gov. John Kasich and Sen. Rick Santorum – have suggested the minimum wage should be increased, highlighting that this issue is not a purely partisan issue.

One caveat our polls did find is that GOP voters are less likely to support a minimum wage as high as $15 an hour (31%) than voters generally, a majority (50%) of whom support such an increase. More GOP voters support a federal minimum wage of $9 (66%), $10 (53%) or $12 (40%) each of which also have strong support from Independents and Democrats.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fight-for-15-minimum-wage_us_5643b349e4b08cda34875287

 

[Jack Davenport]

Forget the partisan sites like HuffPo

These are the issues that Republicans care about and the issues that they couldn't care less about.

The minimum wage is not their main concern

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188918/democrats-republicans-agree-four-top-issues-campaign.aspx

 

[Will E Worm]

The Revolution will not be led by am almost seventy-five year old Zionist, who lives in America and is a dual-citizen of Israel.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics...ng-arrested/0KZWQVaxzycJYxQqdQtmWJ/story.html



Try again. :tongue:

 

[Jack Davenport]

The Revolution will not be led by am almost seventy-five year old Zionist, who lives in America and is a dual-citizen of Israel.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics...ng-arrested/0KZWQVaxzycJYxQqdQtmWJ/story.html



Try again. :tongue:

Why the antisemitism? Anybody that refers to Jews as "Zionists" are usually goose steppers.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Why the antisemitism? Anybody that refers to Jews as "Zionists" are usually goose steppers.

Anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are two different things. The former is the hatred of Jews while the latter means the objection against a Jewish state. But some will say anti-Zionsim is a hatred of Jews :dunno:

 

[Jack Davenport]

I don't associate with them so I have been schooled as to the nuances.

 

[Will E Worm]

Why the antisemitism? Anybody that refers to Jews as "Zionists" are usually goose steppers.

Zionists want world domination. They aren't real Jews.

 

[Supafly]

Will, you pick on the almost completely extinct jewish faith in Sanders? He has been vocal about himself NOT being anything near active jewish.

But a jew is a jew, of course.

 

[pool_hustler]

Will, you pick on the almost completely extinct jewish faith in Sanders? He has been vocal about himself NOT being anything near active jewish.

But a jew is a jew, of course.

Still a whole lot of that in the US of A
Jews dwarf all other affiliations when it comes to being the victims of anti-religious hate crimes.
If by some chance Sanders wins the nomination you can be sure that his Judaism, no matter how inactive, will prove to be a major hurdle in a general election.

 

[Jack Davenport]

They aren't going to be real happy with the fact that Ivanka married a Jew and converted to Judaism. Trump mentioned it last night.

 

[mikexmoran]

Still a whole lot of that in the US of A
Jews dwarf all other affiliations when it comes to being the victims of anti-religious hate crimes.
If by some chance Sanders wins the nomination you can be sure that his Judaism, no matter how inactive, will prove to be a major hurdle in a general election.

Well, Bernie isn't going to win, so we will not get to see if you're right.

I wonder if people are going to continue to count Trump out for the next 5-9 years.

 

[Supafly]

I think the giys got it right. Trump cannot win agaonst a aprty that can't let him go through and bury the rest of what they once stood for for a generation to come.

 

[Jack Davenport]

The establishment Republicans already accomplished that over the past 25 years. Fasten your seatbelt. It's gonna be a wild ride to November.