Battle Of Britain 75

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
German defeated English, Belgium,Dutch and French armies in a few weeks in 1940.

Yes, utilizing Blitzkrieg tactics spearheaded by Panzer divisions as an unstoppable armored cavalry force. If you read the excerpt I posted, the Germans had no logistical way to get tanks across the channel, hence no chance at success. OKW convinced Hitler to turn his attention elsewhere after Goering brazenly declared he could bring England to its knees using only the Luftwaffe. This was the same error that was made when Guderian's Panzers were prepared to annihilate the Alllied forces at Dunkirk and 338,000 soldiers were evacuated and lived to fight again.
 
I never said you could defeat any country large or small with air power - but as in the fall of Poland and ever since, not to have air superiority in a major land battle is fighting win one hand tied behind your back.

The Battle of Norway was badly and hurriedly thought out, but whilst the land battles became increasingly bizarre, the damage done to the Kriegsmarine destroyers affected the German navy for the rest of the war.

Don't for god's sake tell the French - but I don't think we ever had any intention of holding France, just look at the 1st World War for the reasons for letting France fall!

As for Greece I don't think Germany was to keen on this - after all it was an Italian invasion firstly and tactically a back water of the war. Even Von Rintelen pointed out Germany should have taken Malta and only Malta to control the Med!

We won one "The Battle of Britain" just - but look at the tactics, highly organized aircraft control by the Chain Home network, a very efficient aircraft repair programme organised and controlled by Rolls Royce and other plane manufactures plus a 24 hour round the clock effort from ground crews. Plus we used a far more accurate method of counting kills, on more than one occassion the Luffwaffe claimed on kills alone they had finished the RAF only to find the following day the RAF still there ... just!

Poor Poland, the small countries always suffer during the war.


Also the English fleet surffered heavy losses.

German : 20 ship

England : 11 ship

(Wikipedia)


It is entirely understandable that English army did not want to defend France in 1940. :sheep:


Someone might say that German made a mistake when they interferd Italian military campaigns.

Our (Axis powers) real enemies were Soviet Union and your homeland.


Only one thing is certain :


Many British and German people lost their lives during the Battle of Britain


 

Red XXX

Official Checked Star Member
Our (Axis powers) real enemies were Soviet Union and your homeland.
Strange ...... Finland never signed the Tripartite Pact! One of the reasons the battle of Norway started was to push through to northern Finland to help you defend your country ...... in reality Germany and the Soviet Union had planned to split Finland in two - but once operation Barbarossa started a pact with Germany was really just a flag of convenance to help fend of the Russians, so much so that Risto Ryti resigned rather than honor the agreement with Germany.

Once a peace of sorts was agreed with the Soviets, didn't Finnish troops then turn on the German troops in Lapland and defeat them by mid 1945?

Apart from joining Germany against Russia Finland does not appear to be remotely an Axis power infact far from it - Finland was in a no win position and did well to retain it's democracy after the war.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Also the English fleet surffered heavy losses.

German : 20 ship

England : 11 ship

(Wikipedia)

These numbers aren't even close if you are framing them over the course of the entire war. The Royal Navy alone lost 278 major warships and over 1,000 smaller ones.

It is entirely understandable that English army did not want to defend France in 1940.

This is inaccurate as well. Why would they have sent the BEF in the first place if they were not hoping to fight the war on the continent? No France = no war on the continent. They were chased back to England and France quickly fell as a result of the German blitzkrieg....a style of warfare that had never been seen in all of history, not from a lack of resolve.

Someone might say that German made a mistake when they interferd Italian military campaigns.

Interfered? LOL....bailed them out is a more appropriate description. Mussolini's campaign through Albania in an attempt to conquer Greece in the fall of 1940 was an absolute disaster and Hitler had to send in the Wehrmacht to salvage the situation. This unwelcome diversion set the timetable for Barbarossa back from the original launch date of May 15, 1941 to June 22....5 critical weeks that would likely have enabled the Germans to take Moscow before the onset of the Russian winter in late 1941. Instead, logistical issues coupled with the brutal weather stalled the Nazi advance just a few miles from the Soviet capital and the rest is history.

Our (Axis powers) real enemies were Soviet Union and your homeland.

As Red already so eloquently explained, Finland was never technically a member of the Axis. They did have to pay a price in terms of reparations to the Soviet Union (a sellout to Stalin) and were therefore considered to be co-beligerants in their conflict with the USSR but they were never part of the Axis (although their soldiers were allowed to enlist in the Waffen SS). Finland was a mightily compromised land and was indeed lucky to have survived the war at all as a sovereign nation.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I couldn't go today - but most of the aircraft were at the Goodwood Revival event at the weekend - it's sad to think there are now more war time aircraft flying than there are pilots who originally flew them!

Sweet. Goodwood is on my bucket list. I'm going to the Heacock Classic Gold Cup vintage weekend in a couple of weeks. But Goodwood is THE vintage event to attend. :hatsoff:
 
Strange ...... Finland never signed the Tripartite Pact! One of the reasons the battle of Norway started was to push through to northern Finland to help you defend your country ...... in reality Germany and the Soviet Union had planned to split Finland in two - but once operation Barbarossa started a pact with Germany was really just a flag of convenance to help fend of the Russians, so much so that Risto Ryti resigned rather than honor the agreement with Germany.

Once a peace of sorts was agreed with the Soviets, didn't Finnish troops then turn on the German troops in Lapland and defeat them by mid 1945?

Apart from joining Germany against Russia Finland does not appear to be remotely an Axis power infact far from it - Finland was in a no win position and did well to retain it's democracy after the war.

Perhaps there was no formal agreement paper, but German, Finland, Italy, Japan etc. were brothers in arm.

Someone might say that it is not honorable to be Nazi-German ally, but small nations like Finland will have to make things like that in order to survive.



The Germans went away from Lapland and during that time some classes between the Finns and the Germans took place.


Yes, Finland's independence remained and it is a miracle when the neighboring country was not so peace willing Soviet Union.









These numbers aren't even close if you are framing them over the course of the entire war. The Royal Navy alone lost 278 major warships and over 1,000 smaller ones.



This is inaccurate as well. Why would they have sent the BEF in the first place if they were not hoping to fight the war on the continent? No France = no war on the continent. They were chased back to England and France quickly fell as a result of the German blitzkrieg....a style of warfare that had never been seen in all of history, not from a lack of resolve.



Interfered? LOL....bailed them out is a more appropriate description. Mussolini's campaign through Albania in an attempt to conquer Greece in the fall of 1940 was an absolute disaster and Hitler had to send in the Wehrmacht to salvage the situation. This unwelcome diversion set the timetable for Barbarossa back from the original launch date of May 15, 1941 to June 22....5 critical weeks that would likely have enabled the Germans to take Moscow before the onset of the Russian winter in late 1941. Instead, logistical issues coupled with the brutal weather stalled the Nazi advance just a few miles from the Soviet capital and the rest is history.



As Red already so eloquently explained, Finland was never technically a member of the Axis. They did have to pay a price in terms of reparations to the Soviet Union (a sellout to Stalin) and were therefore considered to be co-beligerants in their conflict with the USSR but they were never part of the Axis (although their soldiers were allowed to enlist in the Waffen SS). Finland was a mightily compromised land and was indeed lucky to have survived the war at all as a sovereign nation.

I meant the British and German navy losses that occurder during the battle of Norway in 1940.

British leaders sent their troops to France.

Ordinary English soldier probably thought that why he should sacrifice his life because of France.

True, the Italian army-with a few exceptions- failed completely, but who can blame them.

Mussolini wanted war, Italian people did not.

Finland had some good luck and a lot of will to defend to ourselves.
 
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Without RAF this could have happened:


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Hurricane is perhaps the most famous English fighter during the Battle Of Britain in 1940 and also the Finnish Air Force used them.


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*lol*
 

Red XXX

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And the Bristol Blenheim .... those Russians had loads of them as well :2 cents:
 
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