it costs 339 000 000$ per unit, it is the most costly air superiority fighter ever purchased by the usaf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F22. ok it doesn't cost as much as a b2 but don't forget it is the most advanced 5th generation plane ever built.
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it costs 339 000 000$ per unit, it is the most costly air superiority fighter ever purchased by the usaf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F22. ok it doesn't cost as much as a b2 but don't forget it is the most advanced 5th generation plane ever built.
Vanilla Bear
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I know all that but there is still a difference between 1.2B$ and 350M$.
and the F22 is not that much better than the Eurofighter.
it has only a little stealth attribute.
You are completely wrong. The f22 has many advantages over the Eurofighter which is only a 4.5 th generation aircraft.
First proof was that during Exercise "Northern Edge 2006" (a simulated war game), in Alaska (June 2006), the F-22 reportedly proved its mettle against as many as 40 simulated "enemy aircraft" during simulated battles. The Raptor is claimed to have achieved a 108:0 kill ratio at that exercise
First the main advantage of the f22 is its radar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/APG-77 the most advanced radar alongwith
the f35 radar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/APG-81 don't compare it with the Typhoon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroradar_CAPTOR. The AN/APG-77 AESA radar, designed for air-superiority and strike operations, features a low-observable, active-aperture, electronically-scanned array that can track multiple targets in all kinds of weather. The AN/APG-77 changes frequencies more than 1,000 times per second to reduce the chance of being intercepted. The radar can also focus its emissions to overload enemy sensors, giving the aircraft an electronic-attack capability.
Second main advantage is that the f22 and f35 radars use the LPIR (low probability of intercept radar) something unexisting on the Typhoon, Rafale and Grypen. A low probabililty of intercept radar (LPIR) is designed to be difficult to detect by passive radar detection equipment (such as a radar warning receiver - RWR) while it is searching for or tracking a target. This characteristic is desirable because it allows finding and tracking an opponent without alerting them to the radar's presence.
Third main advantage is f22's engine which have thrust vectoring which enable the plane to make extremely tight manoeuvers an be better than others at dogfighting. Maximum speed, without external weapons, is estimated to be Mach 1.72 in supercruise mode; as demonstrated by General John P. Jumper, former US Air Force Chief of Staff, when his Raptor exceeded Mach 1.7 without afterburners on 13 January 2005. With afterburners, it is "greater than Mach 2.0" (1,317 mph, 2,120 km/h), according to Lockheed Martin; however, the Raptor can easily exceed its design speed limits, particularly at low altitudes, with max-speed alerts to help prevent the pilot from exceeding them. Former Lockheed Raptor chief test pilot Paul Metz stated that the Raptor has a fixed inlet; but while the absence of variable intake ramps may theoretically make speeds greater than Mach 2.0 unreachable, there is no evidence to prove this. Such ramps would be used to prevent engine surge, but the intake itself may be designed to prevent this. Metz has also stated that the F-22 has a top speed greater than 1,600 mph (Mach 2.42) and its climb rate is faster than the F-15 Eagle due to advances in engine technology, despite the F-15's thrust-to-weight ratio of about 1.2:1, with the F-22 having a ratio closer to 1:1.The US Air Force claims that the F-22A cannot be matched by any known or projected fighter.
The ability of the airframe to withstand the stress and heat from friction is a further, key factor, especially in an aircraft using as many polymers as the F-22. However, while some aircraft are faster on paper, the internal carriage of its standard combat load allows the aircraft to reach comparatively higher performance with a heavy load over other modern aircraft due to its lack of drag from external stores. It is one of only a handful of aircraft that can sustain supersonic flight without the use of afterburner augmented thrust (and its associated high fuel usage). This ability is called supercruise.
The F-22 is highly maneuverable, at both supersonic and subsonic speeds. The F-22's thrust vectoring nozzles allow the aircraft to turn tightly, and perform extremely high alpha (angle of attack) maneuvers such as the Herbst maneuver (or J-turn), Pugachev's Cobra, and the Kulbit, though the J-Turn is more useful in combat. The F-22 is also capable of maintaining a constant angle of attack of over 60°, yet still having some control of roll. During June 2006 exercises in Alaska, F-22 pilots demonstrated that cruise altitude has a significant effect on combat performance, and routinely attributed their altitude advantage as a major factor in achieving an unblemished 108:0 kill ratio.
The f22 has more advanced electronic radar, engines, ecms and weapons than you can imagine, so you can't compare the Typhoon to it.
Vanilla Bear
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I said the F22 is better, but its still not that extremely better than the Eurofighter!
And the Eurofighter has the best bordcomputer ever build into a fighting jet.
Its todays most agile airplane in the world.
I know many facts more, but it doesnt need to be discussed here.
So dont tell me you cant compare the Eurofighter to the F22 Raptor.
You can compare them and theyre pretty equal...especially in the dogfight!
And the Eurofighter has the best bordcomputer ever build into a fighting jet.
Its todays most agile airplane in the world.
I know many facts more, but it doesnt need to be discussed here.
So dont tell me you cant compare the Eurofighter to the F22 Raptor.
You can compare them and theyre pretty equal...especially in the dogfight!
My question is who is eithier one of these new fighters being built to oppose? Will they be going at each other soon??? LOL
Colossal wastes of money.
They are different planes. I know a lot about the Typhoon perhaps more than you can think of. The Typhoon's combat performance compared to the new F-22 Raptor and the upcoming F-35 Lightning II fighter under development in the United States and the Dassault Rafale developed in France, has been the subject of much discussion. The Typhoon features canards, and lightweight construction (82% composites = 70% carbon fiber composites + 12% glass reinforced composites).The fighter achieves high agility at both supersonic and low speeds by having a relaxed stability design. It has a quadruplex digital fly-by-wire control system providing artificial stability, as manual operation alone could not compensate for the inherent instability.
In March 2005, United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper, then the only person to have flown both the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Raptor, talked to Air Force Print News about these two aircraft. He said,
“ The Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the F/A-22 Raptor. They are different kinds of airplanes to start with; it's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance. ” Further, "The Eurofighter is certainly, as far as smoothness of controls and the ability to pull (and sustain high G forces), very impressive," he said. "That is what it was designed to do, especially the version I flew, with the avionics, the color moving map displays, etc. — all absolutely top notch. The manoeuvrability of the airplane in close-in combat was also very impressive."
The Typhoon is capable of supersonic cruise without using afterburner. This is referred to as "supercruise". According to the official German Luftwaffe website, the maximum speed possible without reheat is Mach 1.2.
The Eurofighter consortium claims their fighter has a larger sustained subsonic turn rate, sustained supersonic turn rate, and faster acceleration at Mach 0.9 at 20,000 feet than the F-15, F-16, F/A-18, Mirage 2000, Rafale, the Su-27, and the MiG-29.
Not to mention that the engines the Typhoon have no thrust vectoring engines which dramatically increase the manoeuvrability of the plane, it however beats very easily the 4th and 4.5th generations planes aforesaid in terms of manoeuvrabilty.:hatsoff:
Although not a stealth fighter, measures were taken to reduce the Typhoon's radar cross section (RCS), especially from the frontal aspect. An example of these measures is that the Typhoon has jet inlets that conceal the front of the jet engine (a strong radar target) from radar. Many important potential radar targets, such as the wing, canard and fin leading edges, are highly swept, so will reflect radar energy well away from the front sector. Some external weapons are mounted semi-recessed into the aircraft, partially shielding these missiles from incoming radar waves. In addition radar absorbent materials (RAM) developed primarily by EADS/DASA coat many of the most significant reflectors, e.g. the wing leading edges, the intake edges and interior, the rudder surrounds, strakes, etc. The Typhoon's current ECR-90 radar is relatively easy to detect when operating, unlike a few more advanced radars. The design of the f22 and its conception were aimed to make a totally stealthy fighter, something the f22 achieved.
The F-22A design placed a much higher degree of importance on low observance throughout the entire spectrum of sensors including radar signature, visual, infrared, acoustic, and radio frequency.The stealth of the F-22 is due to a combination of factors, including the overall shape of the aircraft, the use of radar absorbent material (RAM), and attention to detail such as hinges and pilot helmets that could provide a radar return. However, reduced radar cross section is only one of five facets that designers addressed to create a stealth design in the F-22. The F-22 has also been designed to disguise its infrared emissions to make it harder to detect by infrared homing ("heat seeking") surface-to-air or air-to-air missiles. Designers also addressed making the aircraft less visible to the naked eye, controlling radio transmissions, and noise abatement. The Raptor has an under bay carrier made for hiding heat from missile threats, like Surface-to-air missiles.The F-22 apparently relies less on maintenance-intensive radar absorbent material and coatings than previous stealth designs like the F-117. These materials caused deployment problems due to their susceptibility to adverse weather conditions. Unlike the B-2, which requires climate-controlled hangars, the F-22 can undergo repairs on the flight line or in a normal hangar.Furthermore, the F-22 has a warning system (called "Signature Assessment System" or "SAS") which presents warning indicators when routine wear-and-tear have degraded the aircraft's radar signature to the point of requiring more substantial repairs.
The aircraft employs a sophisticated and highly integrated Defensive Aids Sub-System (DASS). Threat detection is provided by a Radar Warner Receiver (RWR), a Missile Approach Warner (MAW) and a Laser Warning Receiver (LWR) (RAF only). Protection is provided by Chaff and Flares, Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) and a Towed Radar Decoy (TRD) (RAF only).:hatsoff: But nowhere it is mentioned that the Eurofighter has the best onboard computer, it however has one of the most advanced on board computers after the f22.
The f22 uses also the FireWire 800 (IEEE 1394b) data bus technology and its onboard computer is based on the latest CRAY supercalculators technology.
A 9-pin FireWire 800/3200 (IEEE 1394b) connector.FireWire 800 (Apple's name for the 9-pin "S800 bilingual" version of the IEEE 1394b standard) was introduced commercially by Apple in 2003. The full IEEE 1394b specification supports data rates up to 3200 Mbit/s over beta-mode or optical connections up to 100 metres in length. Standard Category 5e unshielded twisted pair supports 100 metres at S100. The original 1394 and 1394a standards used data/strobe (D/S) encoding (called legacy mode) on the signal wires, while 1394b adds a data encoding scheme called 8B10B (also referred to as beta mode).
The f22's radar has also a low LPIR as I mentionned before and can also overload the ennemy' sensor making of it an electronic attack capable plane, something the Eurofighter can't do.
I respect the Eurofighter a lot but I can't compare it to a F22 because it is a 4.5th generation fighter. It is however a far better plane than Su35-Su37 or the Mig 35. The Eurofighter is perhaps the most advanced European jetfighter before the Rafale and the Gripen but it is completely different from a f22. Why do you think the RAF ordered F35 lighting IIs? Because stealth in air combat is important. In the first gulf war, the f117 thanks to its stealth inflicted severe damages to strategic targets.
best regards and always interesting to have a discussion with you
georges :hatsoff:
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